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Dropped Domains

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Sam Green, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. Sam Green

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    Why do so many people recommend building PBNs out of dropped domains when they seem so easy for Google to target?

    Google can easily look at a websites WHOIS data a find the exact date a domain was dropped and re-registered. With this information Google could start just nullifying any backlinks that were created before the re-register date.

    People who use archive.org recreations are probably the safest. After all it would still have the same content and its possible it had been allowed to expired on accident and re-registered by the same owner, but if a domain gets dropped and simultaneously changes all its content... I can't believe that doesn't throw up red flags at Google and invite more scrutiny.
     
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  2. DeadJoe

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    A lot of people buy expired domains without even knowing they were owned by someone else before. There are also legitimate companies that forget to renew their domain and it gets dropped. A lot more than you think.

    You're giving google too much credit, look at the Serps for best xxxx keywords, all websites are SEO'd - do you think google has time and the labor to go through all this manually? It seems like such an easy target - a lot easier than what you are saying. It's not black and white, there are many variables at play.

    Just smoke a fat one and build your PBN :)
     
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  3. Nargil

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    This is a terrible thinking mate.

    You know, it's not just PBN people who re-register the domains. :) There are millions of regular people who register domains regardless of knowledge of any SEO or anything. These people have no idea that these domains have been used in past at all and do not even care.

    People who work with the PBNs are a small majority of all the domains that get registered daily. I can't imagine the amount of expired domains that get registered every day. And many of them for legit reasons. Google cannot go out running and "cancelling" the backlinks already put into place. That's utterly stupid and requires a lot of computing power for what? For nothing. Finding private blog networks for them is much more easier and you can be sure they have their own algo for that. There is absolutely no need to use that kind of shotgun approach that you have described here.

    But if you really believe that, then feel free to rank your sites without PBN links. Nobody is preventing you from doing so, just don't spread this kind of crap really. Newbies here believe everything.
     
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    Above answers are all very informative and reasonable, I fully agree with them. Sure, use PBN to rank your site is dangerous even though its powerful and much more quicker than normal SEO campaign, so use it or not, its up to you consider.
     
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    Don't think too much about what google thinks. Think about how to profit. Using dropped domains is ok, but add some other sources of backlinks to be on safe side.
    Rank and bank.
     
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    I 100% agree with @Nargil because I have lost count of the number of domains I registered without checking to see if they had been registered before. Obviously this can work for you and sometimes against you which is why you should always check a domains history even if you think you're the first person registering it.

    You may pick up a gold nugget or you may end up with a lump of hot coal.

    Shez
     
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    I think you only need to make sure that domain is not deindexed by Google by search google for site:yourdomain.com before purchasing. If it's not deindexed, it's safe.
    Also use Semrush or Ahrefs to check for organic keywords & organic traffics, I think it's more valuable than tf, da or pa.
    I've found some domains with da, pa, tf all = 0. But organic traffics >= 100
     
  8. Nargil

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    Well you think wrong.
     
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  9. joe15

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    Please tell me why it's wrong, mate?
     
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    When the information becomes too much, your brain just stops absorbing it. Your ability to learn and retain information drops off as you do it. This is called diminishing returns'

    I think OP affected by this problem.
     
  11. Nargil

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    I have written about it at least 20 times in the past 2 months.

    Fact that the domain is indexed doesn't mean crap. It can have terrible anchors, even worse history and can get easily penalized down the road.
    Fact that the domain isn't indexed doesn't mean crap either. It can be nice and clean and have some nice backlink profile and will get indexed without any issues.

    Plus your statement that domain which has "traffic", however you measured this on expired domain, is more important than backlink profile is utter bullshit with all due respect. We are here for link juice and while some traffic definitely helps, it's surely not better than backlink profile. Plus, the "traffic" estimation tools and absolutely random and I would never in a thousand years buy TF0 DA0 domain with "traffic" of 100. I wonder where does that traffic even comes from. DA0 pretty much means 0 referring domains, so how do those people visit that site after the expiration and after the previous content was deindexed? Miracles!

    Could be typo traffic, but in that case, the domain would definitely better served parked.
     
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    its not dangerous lol , you will just have to know the fuck you doing , block those bots , avoid the main footprints and you are quite safe , even on the long run
    cheers
     
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    @Nargil, I think traffic that I mention before is not generated randomly. It's calculated by sum ([keyword monthly search] x [possibility to be clicked] ). The higher the position, the higher possibility it will be clicked.
    We all don't know the exact Algorithms that Google does. In my opinions, if my main keyword is "how to lose weight fast", my prefer domain should the the domain that already ranked for "how to lose weight fast using naturally method ..." rather than the higher Moz or Majestic metrics.
    My point is that the domain with good history ranking keywords will be more valuable than high PA, DA, TF.
     
  14. Nargil

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    With all due respect, if that little formula of yours isn't random, then I do not know what is. "Possibility to be clicked" is as random as it gets.
    And I would love to see clean, expired sites ranking for high profile keywords without any previous historical SEO.
    Some referral traffic through your PBN sites to your money site help, sure, but that's only a bonus.

    And my point is that you your assumptions and opinions are wrong.
     
  15. joe15

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    I don't think that's randomly - maybe my words cause confusing - possibility to be clicked = CTR, see more at https://moz.com/blog/google-organic-click-through-rates-in-2014
     
  16. Nargil

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    CTR is not a possibility to be clicked. That's clickthrough rate.

    But you are still not getting simple thing... HOW do you determine CTR of an expired domain for christ's sake? The content is deindexed, it will NOT rank where it used to rank, even if you recreate the site. Ah... I am out, do whatever you want, you lack basic knowledge and you are not using common sense.
     
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    Anyway, your answer is informative. Thanks
     
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  18. frenchboy

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    I think google could have easily done it a long time ago and hasn't because it would penalize too many legit sites.

    Basically any site that has had a transfer or a hole in whois history in googles whois database (which won't be perfectly accurate) and that changed its layout and content would get penalized for no reason.

    That's like millions of legit sites that are not PBNs.

    I don't think it has to do with manpower. They just can't do it algorithmically and will never be able to do it because even an SEO human couldn't tell with 100% certainty that some PBNs (the good ones) are in fact PBNs. Sure they could with 80-90% certainty. But not 100%. And 90% certainty would mean penalizing millions of legit sites.

    That is, until AI becomes smarter than us. But at that point, we won't be doing SEO.
     
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    Great point. A here's a good algo to find drop domains with good link juices in them - https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/method-find-forums-to-promote-your-stuff-fast-and-easy.857927/