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Do you think Billionaires should exist?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Wolston, Oct 22, 2019.

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Do you think billionaires should exist?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. TheVigilante

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    Absolutely!

    Without giving how are you going to receive isn't it?

    It's the law of universe :)
     
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    All I hope is that I think of others at least 40% of the time. I would like to think higher, but if I am honest, I still put my family first most of the time and I am working on the other 60%. I would hope that if I had a $billion I would think of others at least 40% of the time, after all $600m is a huge amount of family time to enjoy!
     
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  3. TheVigilante

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    Oh yes!

    But no room for retirement gotta keep on working :)
     
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  4. GregFromMoonsy

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    @fasttrak

    In my opinion Bill Gates is not the good example ;)
    At first he copied idea from an Apple.
    Later, when his "Bing" not was able to find the results - they copied in the real time results from Google.
    Also, I never heard any wise sentence said by Bill Gates. Do you know any?

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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  5. fasttrak

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    Charles Caleb Colton seems to have understood the market nearly 200 years ago when he penned "Imitation is the sincerest [form] of flattery", Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg et al have taken that premise and made billions from taking technology and making it better.

    As IM'ers, don't we all do the same, every single day of the week?

    As for a Bill Gates 'wise sentence' as you put it, how about the one below.

    "We all need people who will give us feedback. That’s how we improve."

    Hopefully I have fulfilled that last one for you!
     
  6. JayDee1984

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    The 11 down voters should be banned, in the most capitalist forum in the World Wide Web, there is no room for people who don’t believe that you deserve what you earn...
     
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  7. GregFromMoonsy

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    @fasttrak

    All mentioned guys created something new, except the Bill Gates who is able only to copy an ideas, because he haven't his own.
    Probably same happened with mentioned by you quote.

    When the Microsoft bought the Nokia and thereafter Gates changed the logo from Nokia to Microsoft - demand has disappeared.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    Didn't Facebook take the Myspace & Friends Reunited ideas and make them better? Didn't Google and Samsung take Apple ideas and improve on them? Don't Apple do the same now? Competition drives productivity and innovation after all.

    Perhaps you are pining after Nokia. Personally, I got an old 3510 from Ebay last year, great zombie apocalypse phone.

    We do seem to have strayed off topic though.
     
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  9. GregFromMoonsy

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    @fasttrak

    The question is: what created Bill Gates what not was a copy?
    He didn't had any original idea in compare to Steve Jobs or Lary Page.

    Larry Page created the most known for SEO community - the PageRank algorithm.
    Steve Jobs created age of smartphones and tablets. (after he died - Apple haven't any ideas myself)

    Over 10 years of Windows XP patches and service packs (much more GB than the XP installation CD)
    Where in the same time, Apple team created the software which work much faster on much worse hardware.

    And this is why people pay a lot for Apple phones - because it's the symbol of the quality.
    Microsoft never will achieve it. And for this reason after simple logo change - demand has disappeared near immediately.

    I'll cite bellow the Warren Buffett sentence:

    "Of the billionaires I have known, money just brings out the basic traits in them.
    If they were jerks before they had money, they are simply jerks with a billion dollars."

    Buffett said also, that he sent only the one email message in his life. It was to Microsoft.
    As the result he was invited to court of law. So I am pretty sure that he had on mind exactly the Bill Gates.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    ... or because they had great marketing. If you don't own an iPhone, you're broke and worthless pretty much.
     
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    I am agree - it was part of Apple success.
    But much more important - if you have really good product - marketing is the tool to say to the world: I have got it!

    I love the quality, marketing not changing nothing here - except that I know about something new.
    Where "know" not mean "purchasing"

    For this reason I am agree with Warren Buffett about some billionaire jerks.
    Personally for me - Bill Gates is one of them.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    I thought the question was “Do you think billionaires should exist?”

    But I think you are saying that you do not like Bill Gates as he created nothing.

    Got you :anyway:
     
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    I voted no and gave a reasonable reason for it in the thread. You've contributed nothing to this forum in terms of educational information in your less than a year here. What gives you the authority to determine who should be "banned"? I suggest you look up the definition of the word capitalism and enjoy that you are a member of a forum where others are allowed to voice their own opinions.
     
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    Yes, it's nothing wrong here.
    Especially when they created from scratch their Kingdom with their own ideas and passions.

    But it not mean automatically that we need to appreciate everyone.
    Especially when Bill Gates become the billionaire only for the reason that Steve Jobs was born.

    Steve Jobs said: "Design is not just what is looks like. Design is how it works."
    Bill Gates wasn't able to understand it.

    Personally I am learning only from the best ones.
    Warren Buffett is one of them, same as Steve Jobs.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    Pretty sure that I am not learning from any of them, as I am simply recreating the wheel doing IM. But the money is just fine for me.

    I learnt 25 years ago that I do not need to be smart enough or put the effort in to find the next method, I just have to be smart enough to see when others do. Then put my twist on it and bank.

    A bit like MS...
     
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    We're all different people.
    As the software engineer I have the logic and creativity.
    if you want to significantly increase the effectivity - you should use better tactic, instead of copy it.

    Also I can't understand why in your opinion is something wrong with learning from the most successful people experience.
    It allow to prevent a lot of mistakes. And here I can cite the Benjamin Franklin quote:

    "Wise Men learn by other's harms; Fools by their own."

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    Never said there was anything wrong in learning from anyone (that was you!!!). I simply sighted the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation as being a good example of helping others. Still think it is.

    You are the one that then went on a rant.

    But if you like quotes about fools, I'll give you another quote to consider.

    “The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.” - Shakespeare
     
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    @fasttrak

    Please read more about the reality behind the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
    Then you will discover the truth, instead of repeating the myths.

    We talking about business and money, not about poetry. Shakespeare quote haven't any relationship to business.
    And here for sure you need to be enough wise to become the billionaire and you must have the real experience.

    What you learned from the Shakespeare quote?
    How we can introduce it into the business?

    All the good things which I already learned I am use in life everyday.
    Again, what about the Shakespeare quote?

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    You do seem riled up about both me and Bill (I wish I had his money). I have answered every one of your questions so far, so let this be the last, as your posts are making less sense as we go along.

    Shakespeare's line in As You Like It, is just as applicable to business and billionaires as it is to both you and I.

    “The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”​

    Explanation
    • Only a fool would think himself wise enough, or consider himself a wise man, whereas a wise man thinks himself as a fool because he understands the concept that there is always more to know and more to learn.
    Personally, I hope that I am a fool, as there is always more to learn in business. Hence my comment of learning what others do and adding my twist.

    Not sure what your twist is, as all you have said is that you do not like Bill Gates.

    That is your prerogative, but as an aside, it would be nice if you acknowledged answers to your questions.

    Best of luck Greg and definitely do not google 'The Road Ahead' :D Its been fun!
     
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