Did Google Penalize All My Sites?

I've been backlinking smartly for 6 weeks now on 10 keywords. I just can't rank no matter what. I follow all the typical rules when doing T1, T2 & T3. I use UD (T1) and GSA (T2-T3), manually spun articles good articles, slow steady, 10:1 ratios for T2 & T3, etc, etc. The sites are aged and are holding good content with excellent seo on them. I've ranked many times before in the past and know my way around this field but I ask, could Google have tagged all my websites from my hostgator IP? It's the same IP for all my websites. The reason being, a while back I got busted promoting my site that sold backlink packages. I ran a few test ads on adwords (dumb I know) and they banned my account, then they sent a fake letter to my other main account. This main account I have adwords, webmaster tools, adsense etc. I opened the letter which was some selling promotional BS then the IP got tagged obviously and they sent a letter 5 hours later saying that account was also banned for life. Since then, it seems all of my attempts to rank and keyword/website are in vain. I definitely should have ranked for some easy words by now and I'm not ranking at all. Sometimes yahoo/bing will have me at #4 or #3 and google at 1000+. WTF.

Considering going with seohosting with 5 Cblocks and starting from scratch. Just all those sites and all that work. Shit. Maybe transfer the guts of the websites to a new domain too. Any ideas on this?

Also not to be paranoid but do you think google can track your IP logging into wordpress? They own it like everything else and with me using new IPs for my websites, makes me wonder when login into wordpress if they see my home (tagged) IP and will connect it.

I doubt they're tracking you by ip, they got bigger fish to fry. It's probably it's just getting harder to rank these days, G is being a little biatch.

try to move to a new domain and see what happens

ibmethatswhoib said:

I doubt they're tracking you by ip, they got bigger fish to fry. It's probably it's just getting harder to rank these days, G is being a little biatch.

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Man I hope so, because I have 3K pages in total on these sites. Ranking seems to be a real bitch for me right now.

Ah damn man that sucks, I hope you get everything sorted out and you start ranking better

its possible you got ip tracked.
Having the same ip is a large footprint.

homey it could be the IP based on what you are saying

but even then you need to not use seohosting its overpriced and not what you need. just get a few different hosting accounts from different vendors.

that adds a whole nother level of diversity and you wont be tracked

Untouchable said:

its possible you got ip tracked.
Having the same ip is a large footprint.

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F me. I did everything about a diversified IP except the damned hostgator IP on all the sites. Idk y, it just never crossed my mind.

goldendeli said:

homey it could be the IP based on what you are saying

but even then you need to not use seohosting its overpriced and not what you need. just get a few different hosting accounts from different vendors.

that adds a whole nother level of diversity and you wont be tracked

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Nice. From BST?

Charles27 said:

F me. I did everything about a diversified IP except the damned hostgator IP on all the sites. Idk y, it just never crossed my mind.

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i meant i did everything about hiding my footprints (not my ip)

It's the fact that you're "building links" is the problem. Your content should build links naturally. I would focus on social signals and optimizing the site to be easily shared when visitors land on your site. Link building is dead!

procam said:

It's the fact that you're "building links" is the problem. Your content should build links naturally. I would focus on social signals and optimizing the site to be easily shared when visitors land on your site. Link building is dead!

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I don't believe it. Sorry brother. I just don't. I know google is working on upstream signals but come on. Already? No way. No disrespect.

ur links are propably to wack to rank, ur too small to be penalized

goldendeli said:

homey it could be the IP based on what you are saying

but even then you need to not use seohosting its overpriced and not what you need. just get a few different hosting accounts from different vendors.

that adds a whole nother level of diversity and you wont be tracked

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havent used vendors from here to be honest with you

theres a big hosting only forum that i woudl tell you but not sure i can link here i dont know the rules about linking to another forum.

they have shared hosting providers with good reviews for very cheap

In my opinion it's your links. Google has all the data now they need now from the disavow tool.. I've seen a drop in rankings recently on one of my test weebly sites building links like how you mentioned.

How hard would it be for google to say "right, we've got all these disavowed sites, sure we mighn't have them all, but what are the chances of a legit site / page / tier 1 page getting over x% of these links in their backlink profile"

Then Mr. Cutts goes " I dunno, lets say any site / page / tier 1 page should realistically only have a maximum of 20% links from these sites, and the rest should come come sources that aren't on our list of disavowed sites"

You see what i mean?!

I don't see many people on here talking about it, but it's my opinion and one that i'm going by from here on in, not to be building links from these sources. I've moved onto blog networks myself.. much safer choice of links imo.

procam said:

It's the fact that you're "building links" is the problem. Your content should build links naturally. I would focus on social signals and optimizing the site to be easily shared when visitors land on your site. Link building is dead!

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I really hope you are trolling.

As far as your sites, it could be an IP issue. Google has been known to block full IP ranges. I doubt it is that, but you should at least buy different IPs for each site, or put 2-3 sites per IP. I bet it has more to do with the fact that your sites are fresh, and you need to build the authority of the sites. Low level links just aren't as powerful any more. You need to build some high quality relevant stuff to your money sites.

What I have been seeing in the last 6-12 months with Google is, their algorithm puts a ton more weight on authority. Sometimes I see them put a site into what I like to call "Google Purgatory" where the site just won't rank, or rank below 100 for any terms. I have seen this on many occasions. For this reason, when I start SEOing new websites, I like to age them (throw a few highly relevant authority links at it). I'll build very small amounts of links for 3-6 months on these sites. Once I see that some of the terms start popping into the top 100, I get more aggressive with the link building.

Rua999 said:

In my opinion it's your links. Google has all the data now they need now from the disavow tool.. I've seen a drop in rankings recently on one of my test weebly sites building links like how you mentioned.

How hard would it be for google to say "right, we've got all these disavowed sites, sure we mighn't have them all, but what are the chances of a legit site / page / tier 1 page getting over x% of these links in their backlink profile"

Then Mr. Cutts goes " I dunno, lets say any site / page / tier 1 page should realistically only have a maximum of 20% links from these sites, and the rest should come come sources that aren't on our list of disavowed sites"

You see what i mean?!

I don't see many people on here talking about it, but it's my opinion and one that i'm going by from here on in, not to be building links from these sources. I've moved onto blog networks myself.. much safer choice of links imo.

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Ya know, it seems everytime I get heavy into something, it's heading on the outs. A few years back, I caught one of the internet waves and man i was high riding. I hope backlinking isn't dying. I was looking into PPD and got my rejection letter from AWM today sigh. Filled it out sweet. Should have been accepted.

Charles27 said:

Ya know, it seems everytime I get heavy into something, it's heading on the outs. A few years back, I caught one of the internet waves and man i was high riding. I hope backlinking isn't dying. I was looking into PPD and got my rejection letter from AWM today sigh. Filled it out sweet. Should have been accepted.

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Backlinking isn't dying.. Just gotta go about it smarter I'd rather if it was as easy as a couple of years ago as well, but times are a changing and seo is getting just that little bit more expensive.. for me anyway :-/

Still, there's a silver cloud in every lining, if that is the case with what i was saying, there'll be a ton of niches there for the taking if you can get your shit in order now and be ready to take them on.

P.s never even looked into PPD myself.. seems every noob in here is trying it.. gotta be saturated by now, better off concentating on one thing and getting it right imo

get some independent ip's host gator's seo hosting is pricey but worth it

jstover77 said:

I really hope you are trolling.

As far as your sites, it could be an IP issue. Google has been known to block full IP ranges. I doubt it is that, but you should at least buy different IPs for each site, or put 2-3 sites per IP. I bet it has more to do with the fact that your sites are fresh, and you need to build the authority of the sites. Low level links just aren't as powerful any more. You need to build some high quality relevant stuff to your money sites.

What I have been seeing in the last 6-12 months with Google is, their algorithm puts a ton more weight on authority. Sometimes I see them put a site into what I like to call "Google Purgatory" where the site just won't rank, or rank below 100 for any terms. I have seen this on many occasions. For this reason, when I start SEOing new websites, I like to age them (throw a few highly relevant authority links at it). I'll build very small amounts of links for 3-6 months on these sites. Once I see that some of the terms start popping into the top 100, I get more aggressive with the link building.

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Well, I'm glad to see someone still believes in backlinking. The sites had age but sat with virtually no backlinks or traffic for a bit, like 6 months actually. I backlinked for 6 weeks. Slow 5 backlinks per day for T1's but never let off the gas. I built T1's constantly. Some where pr 0, it was a mix really. I then switched to pr 2+. From everything I've learned and read about (tossing in some common sense too), I don't see how backlinking can ever really die.