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Clickbank + PPC ?

Discussion in 'Clickbank' started by SERPTurbo, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. SERPTurbo

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    Is there anyone who still does the classic Clickbank + PPC promotion method nowadays?

    I'm not talking about direct linking, where you use your affiliate link as a destination URL to promote a product, but rather when you create a proper landing page on your own domain and pre-sell the traffic before sending it to the main sales page?

    Bearing in mind, we are talking about the search network, I struggle to find any decent keywords for less than $1, no matter what niche you are looking at....Or you could theoretically bid less, but then you get no traffic....

    Even if you promote products with high commissions and good upsells, the numbers still don't add up...It only takes a few "bad days" with no sales or some refunds and you end up making a loss...

    I've been doing PPC on and off for close to 10 years now, so choosing the right keywords, writing good ads, etc - that's not a problem for me. What I find difficult is making a profit, while I'm paying $1+ per click.

    Anyone with a similar experience? I'm currently working with Bing Ads, if it helps. Haven't done Adwords for a long time, but they are pretty negative towards affiliates in general and I doubt the CPC would be any different there.

    Is this method dead nowadays or I'm doing something wrong?
     
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    It depends on the niche - You can still get lots of clicks/day for less than .33 cents. But in general bing can be quite expensive.

    If you are promoting click-bank products, or other affiliate offers, the key is to promote something with good upsells.

    So even if you are bidding well over a $1, those upsells will offset the high bid amount.
     
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    Loads of affiliates are doing it with spectacular results (over 1k daily).
    A few pointers would be -
    1. Be prepared to lose money at first (testing)
    2. Monitor daily, drop the losers, add neg kws as they come in
    3. Focus on long tails if you want to keep the bids low, and use phrase rather than broad
    4. Use ad groups (separate kws, ad copy, landing page - eg title of LP)
    5. TRACK! eg prosper - otherwise it is impossible to optimize!

    Mancar
     
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    Yeah, upsells are definitely important. Do you have any experience yourself with getting $0.30 Adwords/Bing clicks? I've tried various niches, but whenever there's a decent Clickbank product to promote, those keywords are always in the $1+ range.

    I do have a budget for PPC, as I realize some will be burned on testing...

    I regularly run search terms reports and put generic keywords into negatives list.

    All highly relevant keywords with decent volume are phrase match with their own ad-groups and ads written specifically for them.

    I also make use of Bing's broad match modifier, which allows me to reach those very random, long-tail keywords that won't necessarily show up in keyword tools, but my ads will be triggered thanks to this feature.

    I struggle to understand how this is possible, while bidding $1+ per click, as that tightens up everything, so a few no-sales days and some refunds, then that's it, you're going negative.
     
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    Anyone currently running ads on Bing or Adwords for CB products who could share some light on this for me, please?
     
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    There is no magic to getting cheap clicks on bing.

    I can include a screen-shot of my average CPC on bing, but that won't be necessary I think - it will only attract more attention.

    1) Are you targeting just the USA? You can include other Geo's like Canada and UK, which have decent volume and CPC are like 50% cheaper.

    2) Are you excluding Syndicated search partners? If so, you are also missing out on some cheap clicks and additional traffic.

    3) How is your Ad CTR, and Landing page relevance/experience? These can in fact impact how many impressions you get. Say for example, my Ad CTR and landing experience is above average, overtime I can lower my bids by about 50%, and still get roughly the same amount of impression.

    4) Although I do not suggest this for Clickbank products, If you are in need for some additional cheap traffic on bing, you can turn ON tablet but never mobile devices. Usually if you are direct linking to a Clickbank product on tablets, it will almost never convert. You would need something like an Optin page. But it's still a hidden gem to collect leads, as most advertisers/affiliates will turn OFF tablet devices.
     
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    Hi

    Is there a tool or working method to link directly to cart from my sales page? Looking for a way where I do not miss out on the cookie drop. Preferably something compliant with CB TOS. Would be interested even if it is not.



     
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    I think you can do this with clickmagic, read their "tracking affiliate conversions" faq
     
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    PPC gives you advertising which is the easiest part, basically you pay for a bunch of people to visit your website/landing page. Marketing is the difficult part, but it's still possible to make a good profit if you choose the right niches from CB and find a way to gather those visitors e-mails ;)
     
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    Had a quick read and I don't think you understand what I am looking to do.
    I want to link directly to vendor's cart from my custom landing page (bypassing vendor's LP). Apart from the vendor providing such an option there are other ways which used to work. But unsure what works right now in 2017.

    Still looking for a solution ....


     
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    Yes this is possible but the conversion rate was smaller for me than linking to the vendor page. Nevertheless this is still possible (at least some weeks ago).
    You need to place a non existent 1x1 image code on your own website (to set the cookie/clickbank ID) and then link the user directly to the checkout page.
     
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    Thanks for your reply - this is what I'm looking for, a more in-depth look into Bing advertising.

    1) I'm targeting just the US only, because I know from own experience that 90% of the sales come from the US. I used to target UK, Canada and Australia as well, but usually it results in a lot more traffic, but no additional sales.

    2) At the moment, yes, I'm targeting Bing/Yahoo search network only, however I tried targeting all networks in the past, but the CPC was pretty much the same. Yes, you get slightly more traffic, but I'm more concerned about sales. If I get tons of clicks from their search partners and no sales, then that volume is no use to me. I've read that the traffic quality is pretty low from their search partners.

    3) I'm fully aware of how the quality score works and my lowest CTR is 3% on broad match modified keywords and as high as 14% on phrase match keywords (data based on over 1000 clicks). Related keywords are tightly grouped into their own ad groups with highly relevant ads, so my quality score is usually 10/10. No problems with the landing page relevancy either - I'm usually getting approximately 40-50% CTR from my lander to the vendor's sales page.

    Haven't tried lowering my bids, but if I did, then we would be talking about more than 80% reduction in bid amount, because even if I bid $0.50, it hardly leaves any room for profit. My hops to order ratio is 1:30, which is pretty decent I believe.

    4) I'm after traffic that converts and as far as I know, it can't get better than desktop users typing keywords into the search box, although I target all devices anyway.


    Indeed, your average CPC would be no use to me, unless you are doing this exact method and managing to make a profit? The reason I'm asking what's your average CPC, is because I want to figure out whether Clickbank affiliates make any money on Adwords/Bing by paying over $1 per click? That is, if you are using a landing page as well, because let's face it, direct-linking has been dead for a long time...

    You could argue that I should try a different niche, but there's nothing financially viable out there, where you would be allowed to bid anything less than $0.50 and get a decent amount of traffic, so this is where it all stops. Clicks are too expensive > advertising costs are more than the sales generated > you make a loss, as a result.

    Thanks for the journal link MisterF, I'll follow it.
     
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    LOL... mate

    I'm making a profit everyday with Bing, over 100% ROI promoting affiliate products. It's like people complaining that they are no longer making a profit, while others are killing it on Bing... even in competitive niches.

    Anyways, I'm just trying to offer insight from my experience. And the truth is, you can still get a lot of volume bidding on exact and phrase alone, for way less than a dollar, and still kill it. I can guarantee you that. Because I do it everyday.

    As for syndicated search partners, who told you they don't convert? It's a hidden gem mate... but I will leave that up to you. It's just like people say 7search don't convert. Lol...

    Also, I don't know if you can presell well... because Canada, UK all convert for me. If I can get visitors from the top tier countries, I can convert those prospects into customers. It's all about the right preselling. Targeted traffic is targeted traffic (U.K., USA, CA of course)

    And as for tablets, I do get conversions from them, but usually with a lot more clicks required. But that doesn't matter since cpc are always lower.

    As for the direct linking thing, that was just an example to get my point across. I never direct link.

    Finally, I can also tell you for sure, I'm able to lower my bids by 50% and still get roughly the same amount of clicks. Bringing me more ROI.

    Stick with what works for you... but if you are convinced that you can't bid less than a dollar and still get a lot of traffic (exact and phrase) and a good consistent ROI... that's NOT true.
     
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    Great to see you on this thread Mancar. I need an advice from you. Could you please PM me as I am still new to the forum.
     
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    I wasn't exactly trying to see whose dick was longer - just want to understand how this method is done nowadays, that's all. I'm open to learn, as I was on my day 1.

    I got my first Clickbank sale as an affiliate back in 2007 by promoting a PSP downloads product via Adwords by direct linking, however I never managed to scale it into something consistent, as it has always been up and down with PPC for me.

    So what tips would you give re product/niche selection, bidding strategy, keywords match, campaign settings, etc?

    I've described how I do it in my previous posts, so where would you say I'm going wrong? Possibly I'm in the wrong niche, where the CPC is way too high? Because I simply can't bid less than $0.50, otherwise my ads don't show up - bidding $1, gets me top 3 positions.

    I'd appreciate if you could give me some numbers to work with (CTR, CPC, lander CTR, conversion rate), because apart from the fact that you are making over 100% ROI on your campaigns, there's not much else to guide me in the right direction.
     
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    anyone know about john crestani? if hes real or scam
     
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    The guy that wants $5k up front to tell you his secrets?
     
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    But he said just 49$
     
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    Sales must have dried up then since his Forbes and Business Insider articles. Did he mention them at all?