At which point do you start to worry...

havokb8 said:

Nessa Black Hat Attack is pretty nasty.........its a pretty sick method that i myself had made about 30k with, its a pretty easy method I thought.... What were you complaining about from that?

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Hi Havok - I respect you and the other experienced members of BHA a lot and am so glad you made good coin with this. But, what was sold to us wasn't what Wealthy delivered - it was sold as lifetime membership, with ongoing coaching in a range of methods.

What I received was one method, no response from Wealthy whatsoever to my e-mails or PMs over many months, a forum that Wealthy chose to abandon without a word, and many, many false promises about upcoming methods and case studies that never materialised.

If the sales thread had matched what we received - "Purchase a single CPA blackhat method with no support", I wouldn't have bought it. That's not what I was promised. If the mods would be willing to resurrect the original BHA sales thread, that would help to clear things up.

There's a lot of great people on BHA, but I can't impose on them for assistance - that was Wealthy's responsibility. I put all of my concerns into the last sales thread of his, but it seems those comments and those of others may have been deleted, as the buyers of that program didn't see them. That's a shame, because there's too many dissatisfied customers around for this to be a misunderstanding.

How many pissed-off members here at BHW have to come out of the woordwork before we stop giving Alex the benefit of the doubt?????

Ness

nessa2shoes said:

Hi Havok - I respect you and the other experienced members of BHA a lot and am so glad you made good coin with this. But, what was sold to us wasn't what Wealthy delivered - it was sold as lifetime membership, with ongoing coaching in a range of methods.

What I received was one method, no response from Wealthy whatsoever to my e-mails or PMs over many months, a forum that Wealthy chose to abandon without a word, and many, many false promises about upcoming methods and case studies that never materialised.

If the sales thread had matched what we received - "Purchase a single CPA blackhat method with no support", I wouldn't have bought it. That's not what I was promised.

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I don't remember the original sales thread, if I even read it at all; nor do I have personal experience with the delivery or its resemblance to what was promised.

If what was delivered does not match what was promised in the sales copy, then a gap exists.

I remain hopeful that Wealthy will come forward and satisfy his customers.

havokb8 said:

To address some of this: making moderators that choose to sell somethinng have an escrow service is pretty ridiculous. Meaning that it is completely ridiculous to me that that should ever have to happen. Something i've been thinking of.......This IS a Blackhat forum i mean 90% of us are doing something shady or blackhat or whatever......Im starting to see that this is spilling over into eachother........This is just something that should NEVER happen. Fucking over dumb consumers is one thing........Fucking over eachother is completely unnacceptable to me. How the hell people can rip their brothers and sisters makes no sense to me. If people could just have some sort of sense of karma and moral values and realize we are all in this for the same reason we all have the same purpose here...........but its becoming apparent that isnt the case and people are using their reputation to lure in gullible users who have put their faith in the status of these high ranking members on good faith because they are high ranking members...........And in reality this should be how it works.........Im not sure what is happening but its starting to piss me off......I can tell you I personally I will never even think about ripping any of you off for a single cent.

ALL that being said, Alex has always been cool as hell and im holding out hope he will be back

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I completely agree with everything havok has to say above... Doing blackhat marketing is one thing... You are basically luring the customer into purchasing a product you are marketing and/or finding clever ways to generate cheap traffic.

For all you asshats out there that screw people over on this board and any other board for that matter - You all are just ridiculous. I have seen some bullshit go back and forth lately and it just really makes me sick to think some people just completely and thoroughly dick people over "just because". Man... You all have some karma coming your way!

I am going to stand up as well and you can take my word for what it's worth... I will never screw anyone over and will do my best to ensure everyone on this board is treated fairly and respected properly. We are all in this together!

As for Alex... I hope he shows up and says something because I just don't like the sound of this whole thing.

Cyp

I think Wealthy is in a deep deep hole now. He will resurface as a different name later.

There may be a logical explanation. Honestly maybe there is something that REALLY happened. This does not have to be a case where someone used there position of authority to fuck someone over. At least I hope not. Because honestly if you can not trust a MOD who the hell can you trust?

Wealthy did step down from his MOD seat . So maybe perhaps that is a clue as maybe he truly was doing something else and has not had time. Also honestly 2k for someone like wealthy is or should be peanuts.

None of this is computing to me. No one would risk there online reputation who is known to be a highly contributing member of the Black Hat World for DAMN PEANUTS. That is not how it works.

Hell for 2k he was damn near volunteering his time.Man i feel like a computer . Does not compute. Does not compute.

Well me personally I will still keep the faith in the high Archy here at BHW. I will still believe that if you can not trust anyone you should still be able to trust mods. After all they are the ones who Devote THERE TIME for FREE to clean up OUR SHIT. That in my book has to count for something.

So just to recap.

I believe that Wealthy something had to have happened to him. Not necessarily physical but something has had to have happened in his life. This is just me personally but this is what I believe.

This is all very well you believing something to have happened to him but, surely someone as well know as Wealthy999 would have enough people to back him or at least someone would have know what would of happened to him don't you think.

I believe he has scammed a lot of people out of a lot of money and someone needs to kick his ass..

Well i think actually a refund would be good enough for most people. I can definiately see him turning up here again under a different user, so how can we go about stopping him from conning more people on BHW.

I wish he would show his face and give an explanation for all of this.

@valwardon Its not just 2k there is a load of us in the same boat and now his site is giving the impression its been hacked but its just some clever jscript. This is all amounting to something, i can feel it.

btw different usernames are already in use by this person on various forums peddling the similar shit. I even have my suspicions that he went under different usernames on his own forum we paid the money for.

before you all say there has to be a logical explanation for this, look at the facts he did it before and hes done it again and to some extent hes been allowed and encouraged to. This person is a great guy all the time he is getting something from you or getting his feet behind the desk of a BH authority such as BHW, he is a predator pure and simple.

Who on here would take 2k off 20-30 people give them bootlegged PPV videos and rehashed CPA methods, one word answers when you ask him questions over IM and just give the impression of "i have your money i dont give a shit"

If Alex resurfaces and give me and everyone else their money back that shouldnt excuse what has happnened now and in the past, we all need to be very wary of doing business with him and people like him.

all that comes to mind is simply wtf. this is the second jr.vip to fuck up things.
to those of you who say something would have happened to him,but he will come back,take your instance for example,wont you just say to friend to open up a thread on your behalf that you are ill or something?
Incidents like these are draining the trust from BHW.back in the good old days members used to buy simply because the seller was a vip,same thing happened for wealthy but this fuck up would change things here,if not handled properly.
even if he is not well or something, 40K to 50k$ is a huge amount and he should posted a notification or something.

we dont want the next big thing selling on dp to contain this
Method1:
sign up on BHW,work for 2 years to get promoted to VIP and then fuck the users.LOL

secretboy08 said:

all that comes to mind is simply wtf. this is the second jr.vip to fuck up things.

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Wealthy199 was actually a mod, not a Jr Vip or the like.
Hell I saw him on my Trillian today showing as online (can't remember which actual IM service).

I actually signed up with him about this time last year (just checked paypal - it was june and the memories still haunt me) for some 1-1 training. It was one of the first things I ever did on BHW. Can't remember the exact name of the program but it was housed at wealthy199.com, then it just died one day after about 3 e-books were sent. The funny thing about the 'methods' that were sent is that I later found them on the forums here.

But I was a complete and utter Noob at the time, so I kind of kept my mouth shut when it went pear shaped. My belief is that this things don't start out with the intention of being a scam - but it just gets too much for Wealthy so he bails.

But you live and learn. And I will happily buy something off any of the current mods etc. Because while life is a crap shoot, you still have to roll the dice and when you do then roll them BIG!

oops my bad i meant a vip.mistyped it.

valwardon said:

None of this is computing to me. No one would risk there online reputation who is known to be a highly contributing member of the Black Hat World for DAMN PEANUTS. That is not how it works.

Hell for 2k he was damn near volunteering his time.Man i feel like a computer . Does not compute. Does not compute.

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Hi Val

I see you point but thats not the case.

He didn't virtually give his time for free cause he didn't give anything.

If he had followed thru then you'd be spot on, as it is he never so he just scammed people, it's that simple.

No matter what has happened to him he took the money and ran

I don't think it can be clearer than that.

oscar...

Well, the BHA forum has been removed altogether. And, at Wealthy199.com there's a bizarre post back in October basically saying that Wealthy had decided to abandon his blog, after only making one post.

I see a pattern emerging!

I do think it's strange that Wealthy excused his abandonment of the BHA forum by saying it had been hacked, and now it appears his new $2,000 forum has also been "hacked". Was this his plan all along???

Something very bizarre and underhanded has been going on for some while, methinks!

Ness

Wow, the BHA forum is gone I didn't even check, but I wouldn't doubt it for a second...I'm beginning to think that people come here to build up a rep over a year, and then scam outright or something...

You figure, with the whole BHA sale he must have made well into the 10's of thousand's figuring each head was $500 on "discount"...then with the latest abandonment of his coaching group of $2000 a pop...damn...

Perhaps the mods could possibly look into offering some kind of escrow service when BST's reach beyond a set price so it's not like it's just pay $20 for a thread, make $60,000 then split...

Even if you worked at McDonald's for a year just faking it online in forums, you'd still make $100k over time plus your wages...This is the blackest hat of all of them...

It is relieving to know that for every one time I've been scammed through a BST, I've found a lot of great information to soften the blow, while also finding some really good BST's that have made me a lot of money as well...

deth_by_uv said:

...I'm beginning to think that people come here to build up a rep over a year, and then scam outright or something...

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Yup. You nailed it.

It's all good. We're gonna hunt him down and get our money back.

And please change the name of this place to scammerworld.

I just thought I would let everyone know that there was a post in the forum from his programmer saying "I spoke to Alex today, he was in car crash, he has just broken collar bone(lucky?) other passengers are still in critical condition.

He said he will be out of hospital on Monday."

Bull fuckin shit.

I saw alex log in to msn chat 2 hours ago.

birdjuice said:

And please change the name of this place to scammerworld.

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That statement uncalled for and without merit, in my opinion.

Yeah, we have some scammers here, as well as those who get in over their heads with honest intentions yet bail. But there's no reason to single out BHW; it happens as often on every forum of which I've been a member. In fact, a new member of BHW got screwed just the other day on the lily-white Warrior Forum.

We have our share of scammers, yes, but the ratio is not at all higher here as it is on other forums that allow sales of methods, mentoring, ongoing services, ebooks and the like.

Unlike all of those other forums, the staff here actually takes time to review the products and services to help ensure quality and trust. Is the system perfect? No, of course not. But it's one hell of a lot better than I've observed in other forums, be they white hat, magenta, opaline blue or lily-white.

nightcoder said:

I just thought I would let everyone know that there was a post in the forum from his programmer saying "I spoke to Alex today, he was in car crash, he has just broken collar bone(lucky?) other passengers are still in critical condition.

He said he will be out of hospital on Monday."

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I love this crap. it is getting better and better. If Wealthy was in a car crash, I a sure he will get someone to post for him. I don't mean u. Newbie with 10 posts. HASHAHHAAAAAAA.

birdjuice said:

And please change the name of this place to scammerworld.

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Wow... You got a lot of cow dung in your mouth talking like that! There are people all over the world trying to scam people out of a buck. It's a given that you are going to run into someone trying to scam someone else wherever you go - No matter if it's here... Warrior Forum... DP... Sitepoint... Etc...

Not everyone on here is out to scam people bro... I have met a handful of good people on here that I have made friends with. There is always "good" and "bad" people wherever you go. You shouldn't classify this forum based upon one, two, three, or a dozen people you have ran into on here. Remember this is a public forum - Everyone has access to it so there is bound to be some bullshit. We try to take care of most of the shit and you would be surprised how good of a job everyone does and how much work goes into it.

So... Maybe you should watch your mouth - What do you think? I think probably so!

Cyp

nightcoder said:

I just thought I would let everyone know that there was a post in the forum from his programmer saying "I spoke to Alex today, he was in car crash, he has just broken collar bone(lucky?) other passengers are still in critical condition.

He said he will be out of hospital on Monday."

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Yeah, I would take this with a grain of salt. There is a much larger problem here than just being absent for a few days because of a car crash. There's a history of neglect, over-promising and under-delivering over the past year.

But I do agree with Cyp - the scam rate at DP and Warrior is way higher than here. All we can do (both mods and buyers) is learn from this and move forward. One thing that would be welcome is that if several members complain about a seller in a BST thread, those comments should be allowed to remain, even if the seller is a mod. You can be sure that if more than one person is complaining (and doing so in a rational, fair manner) then there's usually some truth to the claim. I think I speak for many of the BHA members when I say that we waited a long time before complaining, in order to give Alex the benefit of the doubt. It was only when he launched another coaching program that we couldn't keep silent anymore. And it's always a hard decision to say anything against a mod, because of the risk of the ban hammer. But, neither can you stand by and watch other people get taken for a ride.

If recent purchasers had been allowed to see all the complaints from BHA customers in the BST thread, they might have thought twice about forking over $2,000.

Best of luck to every one of us - they always say the best form of revenge is success, and I stand by that!

Ness