Are PBNs REALLY dead?

The very first impression is not to have a PBN, but several blogs which you can use to build up your blog. You can still do it today, but you need to be wise and No, PBN is not dead.
 
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No, PBNs are not dead. I just did a competitive analysis report for a client the other day that revealed their competitor was a PBN owner who was successfully ranking in Google for most of their keywords (As well as receiving traffic from other relevant sources). If that PBN was still ranking with their spammy tier 2 backlinks, then I'm sure that PBNs are far from dying.
 
The PBN's of 2013 are becoming churn and burn networks.

The PBNs of the future will essentially be real sites from every angle and thus require a ton of work.

So in a sense they are dying but its more of what you perceive a PBN to actually be.
 
Make each PBN capable of withstanding Panda/Penguin on their own, and they will never be "dead." Each PBN site should be a working site on its own. Just be smart of don't create footprints; have a different persona and style for each site you create.

When done right, each PBN site linking to your money site is a candidate for replacing your money site should your money site ever get hit.

Once you can do all this manually, that's when you start automating as much of this as possible. Too many people buy a high pr site, toss up a few articles, insert a few links, blast a few backlinks, and call it a high quality PBN.
 
I was going though the thread to look for bartosimpsonio's and Skyrocket_SEO's reply, error 404!
 
Obviously not. Never will be. It's impossible to catch, you have to set them up as money sites.
 
<sigh> Here we go again.

Half the people here are using "PBN" to describe PUBLIC blog networks, where you buy posts on existing networks which sell to all comers.
The other half are using "PBN" to describe PRIVATE blog networks, which only have YOUR posts and links on them.

Good PUBLIC blog networks still work, but are taken down much more frequently than they used to be.
Good PRIVATE blog networks work like a charm (in conjunction with other link building), but their effectiveness and longevity depends on whether they're properly built to be hidden and, um......PRIVATE. Some PRIVATE blog networks were taken down this fall, which doesn't mean that PBNs don't work - it means the ones which were taken down didn't work because they weren't built and hidden properly.
 
Don't you think having only single site/single owner site liked to multi PBN's (20+) is wont give a footprint


reallife said:
<sigh> Here we go again.

Half the people here are using "PBN" to describe PUBLIC blog networks, where you buy posts on existing networks which sell to all comers.
The other half are using "PBN" to describe PRIVATE blog networks, which only have YOUR posts and links on them.

Good PUBLIC blog networks still work, but are taken down much more frequently than they used to be.
Good PRIVATE blog networks work like a charm (in conjunction with other link building), but their effectiveness and longevity depends on whether they're properly built to be hidden and, um......PRIVATE. Some PRIVATE blog networks were taken down this fall, which doesn't mean that PBNs don't work - it means the ones which were taken down didn't work because they weren't built and hidden properly.
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OP. Try reading the Thread "PBN Q&A: Ask me anything..." Much info in there for how to set up a PBN. I'd post the link, but noob's are not allowed. :(
 
This thread smells like a google employee spreading his SHIT propaganda!

Close this thread moderators!

And to all of you, stop responding to this douches bullshit responses...this thread is bullshit...
 
BassTrackerBoats said:
Michlap, you forgot to include the "starting" part.

Most of the players have easily over a hundred after they get the ball rolling.
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For me the getting the ball rolling was the hard part. Actually getting it rolling and not stopping. While you can build and manage small sized (<100 sites) networks manually or with commercial software, with large ones if you don't have a really solid management system and clear simple, automated procedures for everything it ends up being an impossible task. But yeah, PBNs are the shit. And these days you don't even need that many links or IPs to rank for medium competition keywords. I mean fuck it, I made loads with several days of work and some shit spam links from russian, chinese and vietnamese sites. And they say Google is smart and detects this and that and you need relevant links and shit. D'oh! Maybe G is smart, maybe it even detects shit. However, an unrelated link is way, way better than no link. And 10 unrelated links are better than a related link. And an unrelated link from a high value page is worth loads more than a related link from a shit page on a shit domain.
 
futurestunner said:
Don't you think having only single site/single owner site liked to multi PBN's (20+) is wont give a footprint
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Not quite sure what you're asking, but if you're asking whether there's a footprint with 20 PBN sites linking to one money site - not if it's done right. If those are the *only* sites linking to the money site, of course there's a footprint. You should never use a PBN without a good amount of "foundation" linking beforehand, and continued linking from a wide variety of other platforms. The whole idea is to hide the PBN links among a lot of other links showing that your site is getting more and more popular - in which case it would only be natural for more important sites to link to you.

If you're asking something else, sorry I missed the point.
 
I certainly hope not as I just purchased my first expired domain this morning... In all seriousness how can google truly tell what is a PBN and what is a real site? If you're doing it right you should have no worries.
 
As far as "PBN size" is concerned, yeah, they can get massive in higher levels. Mine is about 30 sites, and that's just a couple steps above entry-level.

You can do serious damage with a 10-site PBN on medium competition keywords if you know what to look for in domains and how to set them up.

I'm hardly the MOST experienced PBN guy here, but I've built them and I know them pretty well. Anyone with specific questions can hit me up on Skype and I'll try to help out. Skype: red.octobre

Best,
Red

P.S. Also, call me paranoid, but I stick to 2 sites per host.
 
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There isn't such a thing ''to being paranoid'' in this industry. If you are in to it - ''hide and seek'' or ''seek AND hide'' is what needs to be done. So, I would go for one site per host ,If I where you, or made sure that they are not near by shared hosting, the same IP c-block, accessed from the same e-mail (no gmail obviously ,so, proxies are must) and haven't used Google Analytic etc. Google products in general.

Good Luck!
 
Private blog networks cannot be killed because you can make them look as organic as you want for
each particular website. Its one of the few linkbuilding strategies you can use for authority sites depending on how private your network really is. Again its not dead at all.
 
I swear, these threads never cease to amaze me.
 
Jungle123 said:
There isn't such a thing ''to being paranoid'' in this industry. If you are in to it - ''hide and seek'' or ''seek AND hide'' is what needs to be done. So, I would go for one site per host ,If I where you, or made sure that they are not near by shared hosting, the same IP c-block, accessed from the same e-mail (no gmail obviously ,so, proxies are must) and haven't used Google Analytic etc. Google products in general.

Good Luck!
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You don't need to take it quite that far. No testing that I've seen has shown a difference between 1 and 2 sites per host in terms of domain power or deindexation rate. Even 3 is probably fine, but that's where I get slightly uncomfortable.

Also, shared hosting can be a godsend for a PBN builder, hiding your PBN in plain sight among many other legit websites is awesome - just make sure you're not in a bad neighborhood (there are tools to check that.)

Also, Google can't see the account details of your webhost, so you can have the same login info for all of your hosting - what you DO need to change is your public contact details via cPanel.

Lol, I feel like we're a bunch of tinfoilers just throwing random suspicions around, but it's true that most of this stuff has been pretty thoroughly tested and shown to be useful / needed for a healthy PBN.

Red
 
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