Are PBNs REALLY dead?
- Thread starter Michlap
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Swiss Tony also does SEO, I have seen him here.
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Certain posts on your PBN (content posts) should not have links other then authority links (and do over do these either). So you link to your money sites like normal but also create posts just for content. In both types of posts use images, videos and etc.
For example:
post 1: use video and 1 image
post 2: use 2 images
post 3: use 2 videos
post 4: use no images and no videos
a normal site is structure like that, not every post has an external link and not every post is identical.
As far as the hosting question: yes, 3-4 per host will work because with these kind of hosts there are thousands of sites on one server. If you really wanted to play safe then go 1-2 sites per host, but 3-4 has produced no problems for me at all. Just remember one thing: most hosts are resellers so even though you are buying from a different hosting company it doesn't mean they aren't buying from the same reseller. Just keep that in mind when buying cheap hosting.
Binh
For example:
post 1: use video and 1 image
post 2: use 2 images
post 3: use 2 videos
post 4: use no images and no videos
a normal site is structure like that, not every post has an external link and not every post is identical.
As far as the hosting question: yes, 3-4 per host will work because with these kind of hosts there are thousands of sites on one server. If you really wanted to play safe then go 1-2 sites per host, but 3-4 has produced no problems for me at all. Just remember one thing: most hosts are resellers so even though you are buying from a different hosting company it doesn't mean they aren't buying from the same reseller. Just keep that in mind when buying cheap hosting.
Binh
gashead
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This.....
The IM world is full of people who talk the talk, but have never practiced what they preach. I like to call them IM lemmings, as most are just copying each others bs.
The IM world is full of people who talk the talk, but have never practiced what they preach. I like to call them IM lemmings, as most are just copying each others bs.
Rachmaninoff
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reading the replies just made my day. Thanks for the laugh 
Trepanated
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They're not dead
They're resting.
Remarkable networks, the PBNs.
Beautiful plumage.
They're resting.
Remarkable networks, the PBNs.
Beautiful plumage.
Wilson Grant Fisk
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There, fixed it for you.
madoctopus
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PBN are not dead, never been dead, never will be dead. Ever!
That being said, if you make mistakes and leave footprints, that's another story. Also there are PBNs (P=Private) and PBNs (P=Public). Many advertise their PBN as being private but sell links on them to the public. Seriously if you advertise it you're asking for somebody to fuck you up, Google included.
If you do a PBN right, you can use the shittiest, unreadable unique content you want and will still work great.
I think biggest problems why people fail with PBN are:
1. Sites are too weak and too few - so effects are small or none.
2. Footprints - what are the actual footprints and what most people think are footprints are two different things. I read many posts on footprints and I tell you 50% of those things in there are not footprints, yet nobody talks about a few things which are massive footprints, and most will leave them when building a PBN. Don't ask me which are, I won't go into it.
If you do it right, after the initial setup which is a complete nightmare and leaving management aside which is another nightmare, a PBN is extremely cost effective and powerful. Not to mention you control it 100%. I'm talking about how I do things. For most people is not as cheap as it is for me, then again most people wouldn't touch a Linux VPS with 64MB RAM with a 3 foot pole and can only cope with CPanel. Also in terms of CMS, WP is easy but is crap and a resource hog. In terms of management MainWP is the best commercial tool but just like WP is shit - lots of crap you don't need and the important things don't exist.
That being said, if you make mistakes and leave footprints, that's another story. Also there are PBNs (P=Private) and PBNs (P=Public). Many advertise their PBN as being private but sell links on them to the public. Seriously if you advertise it you're asking for somebody to fuck you up, Google included.
If you do a PBN right, you can use the shittiest, unreadable unique content you want and will still work great.
I think biggest problems why people fail with PBN are:
1. Sites are too weak and too few - so effects are small or none.
2. Footprints - what are the actual footprints and what most people think are footprints are two different things. I read many posts on footprints and I tell you 50% of those things in there are not footprints, yet nobody talks about a few things which are massive footprints, and most will leave them when building a PBN. Don't ask me which are, I won't go into it.
If you do it right, after the initial setup which is a complete nightmare and leaving management aside which is another nightmare, a PBN is extremely cost effective and powerful. Not to mention you control it 100%. I'm talking about how I do things. For most people is not as cheap as it is for me, then again most people wouldn't touch a Linux VPS with 64MB RAM with a 3 foot pole and can only cope with CPanel. Also in terms of CMS, WP is easy but is crap and a resource hog. In terms of management MainWP is the best commercial tool but just like WP is shit - lots of crap you don't need and the important things don't exist.
Please just email them and link them to this post:
They are fucking stupid and shouldn't be blogging if they think PBNs are dead.
A proper PBN looks like a normal site. If you say PBNs are dead, then every website online is dead. And you have to be pretty fucking dumb to go and post something like that.
BreaknBrix
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They better not be ..... I'm just learning / starting to build my own.
From my own experience these last few years this is what I have noticed though.
There *seems* to be a trend of PBN link sellers moving over to PBN site sellers. Like 1-2 years ago... everyone was selling PBN links. And I was making a killing at the time buying these links. Problem is, a lot of these sellers got wiped out. Like my main former source Ceasar SEO. Dude had some of my sites ranking #1 for 2 years straight and thanks to his links I made a good deal of money.
Downside is if you head over to Wafo now his entire thread / operation is shutdown and all his sites are 404'd.
He was "special" in the respect that he never promoted his service for churn & burn. Like now, on BHW, if you find a PBN seller many will tell you straighout "these links are only good for churn and burn". Ceasar was an exception to that rule for a while. His security was so stellar he managed to keep his network straight and solid for a solid 2-3 years. But in the end... it still turned out to be "churn and burn". Just a very loooong churn and burn.
And now what I see these days are a lot of expired domain sellers popping up.
I think the marketing community (for the most part) is finally catching on.
The days of unscrupulously directing PBN links to "long term" money sites is over. I see more and more marketers now open to the idea of building their own PBNS... rather than buying PBN links. And I think 1-2 years from now, that will be the new trend. You will see very few vendors selling PBN links and far more selling sites.
At least, that's what my gut tells me.
-BB
From my own experience these last few years this is what I have noticed though.
There *seems* to be a trend of PBN link sellers moving over to PBN site sellers. Like 1-2 years ago... everyone was selling PBN links. And I was making a killing at the time buying these links. Problem is, a lot of these sellers got wiped out. Like my main former source Ceasar SEO. Dude had some of my sites ranking #1 for 2 years straight and thanks to his links I made a good deal of money.
Downside is if you head over to Wafo now his entire thread / operation is shutdown and all his sites are 404'd.
He was "special" in the respect that he never promoted his service for churn & burn. Like now, on BHW, if you find a PBN seller many will tell you straighout "these links are only good for churn and burn". Ceasar was an exception to that rule for a while. His security was so stellar he managed to keep his network straight and solid for a solid 2-3 years. But in the end... it still turned out to be "churn and burn". Just a very loooong churn and burn.
And now what I see these days are a lot of expired domain sellers popping up.
I think the marketing community (for the most part) is finally catching on.
The days of unscrupulously directing PBN links to "long term" money sites is over. I see more and more marketers now open to the idea of building their own PBNS... rather than buying PBN links. And I think 1-2 years from now, that will be the new trend. You will see very few vendors selling PBN links and far more selling sites.
At least, that's what my gut tells me.
-BB
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lol
Or maybe they just felt they were fed up and bored with the risks involved and wanted their blog audience to follow them into making authority sites and by doing so they put them off PBns
What is a too weak site?
For my PBn i bought domains which had links to huffington post etc and now building GSa links to them.
I have already seen an increase in my rankings. One keyword shot from position 7 to 2 in 1 week. However it is a LSI but still
domainingin
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It's not unusual that initially every site ranks with any links, just to disappear few days later in nirvana if the links and / or the domain were crap...
Most people buy 3 domains and make 3 websites and call it PBN, that's not the case as mostly this are just 3 websites sitting in 90% on worthless domains with high "PR" which is useless, outdated metric and mostly faked.
PBN's are starting with 10-15 websites on aged authority niche relevant diverse domains that primary do not link to any money site until they are set in google and still exist after 4 weeks with some more indexed pages than only the homepage.
Building PBNs becomes nowadays an "art" and will leave only few vendors on the market who know how it's done ...
Cheers
Dan
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10-15...god!!!
Thanks for your post even though it wasn;t the most upbeat.
guess i'll start searching for more domains.
How do you manage all of yours? Just by excel or you use a software such as FCS?
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domainingin
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no, all by "hand", means spreadsheet and pencil ... this might be old fashioned, but leaves no footprint at all ...
No seriously, I try not to leave anything available online, that could allow detecting any of my PBN domains. It all might seem like paranoia and ist extremely time consuming, but I survived all google animal updates...
Cheers
Dan
No seriously, I try not to leave anything available online, that could allow detecting any of my PBN domains. It all might seem like paranoia and ist extremely time consuming, but I survived all google animal updates...
Cheers
Dan
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Michlap, you forgot to include the "starting" part.
Most of the players have easily over a hundred after they get the ball rolling.