1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Another Churn and Burn Questions Thread (need suggestions)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by razorwings, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. razorwings

    razorwings Newbie

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2013
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    10
    I've decided to test out Sudo's churn and burn method (search on google or BHW)

    Main offer/product: Not sure if i should push clickbank products/ppc/amazon? what is ideal for churn and burn. How would an autoblog stack up if i choose a general product term?

    Competition: I was initially planning on testing this with really low comp keywords/products with around 1000 searches. But the more I read the more i see huge competitive niches being targeted for pump and dump. Am i wasting my time messing around with low-medium comp words?
     
  2. aka sam

    aka sam Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,811
    Likes Received:
    894
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Internet Marketer
    Location:
    Black Hat World
    Home Page:
    you can test it with low competitive keyword and next time if you feel, you can go for high competitive keywords..

    you are doing churn and burn, dont think too much. Just do it.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  3. theseo1

    theseo1 Newbie

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2013
    Messages:
    35
    Likes Received:
    14
    Location:
    E-to-tha-Urope
    It's churn and burn. By starting to think about if/how it's going to work, you're already doing it wrong. You got nothing to lose, C&B sites go up and down all time, you'll experience a LOT of failing before seeing any kind of results. It's not like something you should care about, just make sure to have enough sites in the pipeline at any time to restart a project once you see the first site dropping.
     
  4. GalaxyRank

    GalaxyRank Junior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2013
    Messages:
    180
    Likes Received:
    8
    what you exactly do in churn and burn ? which links type and how many links you use for tier 1 and tier 2 ?

    in how many days you should see results ? which tools you use ?
     
  5. Ghoztseo

    Ghoztseo Power Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2012
    Messages:
    523
    Likes Received:
    208
    Occupation:
    High IQ
    Location:
    Sri Lanka
  6. Ambassy

    Ambassy BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    642
    Likes Received:
    163
    I don't really see why he would fail a lot before succeeding in C&B'ing.
    It's simple as hell really, blast a bunch of sape links to your site and profit for the next 1-2 months. The very first time I tried I succeeded.
     
  7. billsfan2012

    billsfan2012 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    254
    Likes Received:
    116
    Occupation:
    Internet Marketer
    Location:
    United States
    Home Page:
    Only thing about Sudo Churn & Burn that I'd personally like clarification on:

    He mentions a minimum of 250k links.

    In my case, I have GSA SER but I don't have any scraping tools.

    So, how would someone in my position build 250k links?

    Also, just a comment, but if you follow that method, it calls for a PR3+ and with everyone into PBN these days, that means there is a fairly significant investment involved here.

    That said, I haven't tried it more than once or twice but can't you technically achieve your Page 1 rankings WITHOUT the 301 redirect involved?

    I.e. if you had a high end site list for GSA and blast your 250k+ would that not be enough for certain keywords by itself?
     
  8. SEO Power

    SEO Power Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2014
    Messages:
    2,637
    Likes Received:
    680
    Occupation:
    Self employed
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Start with the low competition keywords to acquire the requisite experience needed to pursue high competition keywords. Those going after the big keywords are big players in the churn and burn arena, but you are just starting out.
     
  9. razorwings

    razorwings Newbie

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2013
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    10
    I assume you need to start off with a premium verified list already available to you to build the 250 links. You can scrape your own list with scrapebox. ( i would just go ahead and buy it )

    I don't understand why it has to be significant investment? You just need one PR3+ domain. As long as it's not indexed it can't be penalized. you can keep re-using it from what i can tell.
     
  10. razorwings

    razorwings Newbie

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2013
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    10
    Any suggestions on what kind of offers/products to push?
     
  11. Tangy

    Tangy Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2012
    Messages:
    233
    Likes Received:
    82
    Location:
    Vancouver

    The ideal product / service is one that pays as much as possible for each action or purchase. It's going to cost you to get to the top of any competitive or high traffic keyword, so you need to ensure you see a positive ROI before the page is burned.


    It won't "stack up" at all. You want to create a site that is focused on one thing: conversion. Why would you spend money trying to rank an autoblog? That makes no sense at all. Browse through payday loan, pharma, etc. type of SERPs where churn/burn is a major tactic and look at how the pros are doing it.


    The reason you see large niches being targeted is that you have to see an ROI on your efforts. Don't waste your time with 1000 search keywords, by the time you get to #1 you might have as short as a few days there so you need to make them count.
     
  12. billsfan2012

    billsfan2012 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    254
    Likes Received:
    116
    Occupation:
    Internet Marketer
    Location:
    United States
    Home Page:
    I guess budget is relative, but what I mean is, for example, if I go to Register Compass and pull up a list of GD Auctions ending today...

    And look for PR3+ domains...

    Then sort by auctions "ending first"

    There's a PR4 at $106 with 19m left (probably hits $150+)

    There's a PR4 at $177 with 20m left (easily going over $200+)

    There's a PR5 at $223 with 30m left (probably ends over $250+)

    And then there's a bunch of fake PR or PR3-4 with domain authority <10 that nobody wants in the first place.

    Now I don't know if you can get them cheaper on Namejet as I'm not familiar with that site, but I think I would consider anything over $100+ as significant personally.

    That's not to say I wouldn't pay that price if it helped me; I just think - in theory - a high quality site list in GSA can get the job done by itself too?
     
  13. TheTysons

    TheTysons Newbie

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2014
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Easier competition niches would help you test the waters out. Doing it yourself is different from reading up online on what others suggest.
     
  14. razorwings

    razorwings Newbie

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2013
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    10
    I guess I have the same problem as well. I will continue looking through expireddomains for auctions and exp domains until i find something decent. I don't mind spending $100 if the domain is legit.

    I dont know about using a premium list with GSA alone. I assumed if it were that easy everyone would be doing it. I think the 301 through the pr3 is essential in extending the time before the google hammer hits.

    Well reading through the SudoRank comments, it seems this method isnt really working for people anymore...
     
  15. Roland32

    Roland32 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2011
    Messages:
    237
    Likes Received:
    45
    If you need good domains to use prdomains.club has PR3s and 4s etc way cheaper than godaddy auction.
     
  16. Laubster

    Laubster Senior Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2013
    Messages:
    1,008
    Likes Received:
    377
    Occupation:
    Self employed
    Location:
    I Travel A Lot
    Home Page:
    Yeah, you're better off setting up 5 domains and testing 5 churn and burn methods at once. Because Google rankings take time now, just testing one method at a time is an extremely slow way to learn. Try Matt Woodward's method to save money on content: unique, high quality hand written articles on the homepage, CopyScape passed spun content to create 9 inner pages. Then just test different churn n burn methods on those 5 homepages.
     
  17. razorwings

    razorwings Newbie

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2013
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    10
    I will try churn and burn using parasite pages.