Bought BTC from a guy with Paypal and got scammed by him.

[zerkamaz]

If you did this
'I couldn't found a way to refund my payment, there is ONLY report it as Unauthorized payment.'

Then you have probably shot yourself in the foot, as it wasn't unauthorized at all.
If they investigate and see the payment came from your IP address then you are telling them lies and they will crap over you from a great height.

What happened was you never received the goods, which is the reason you reported this to them. If the seller cannot prove delivery, you should get your money refunded, but never try to bullshit them.

Thanks the God I have opened a dispute that the item is not received

So now, I think I have to wait until Saturday to escalate it to Paypal if the seller doesn't make a refund!

Hopefully I'm doing that right, since that's the first time I opened a dispute on Paypal after making hundreds of transactions!

Yesterday, I asked myself if I didn't make that mistake, I will never learn that lesson from you guys.

 

[MisterF]

Thanks the God I have opened a dispute that the item is not received

So now, I think I have to wait until Saturday to escalate it to Paypal if the seller doesn't make a refund!

Hopefully I'm doing that right, since that's the first time I opened a dispute on Paypal after making hundreds of transactions!

Yesterday, I asked myself if I didn't make that mistake, I will never learn that lesson from you guys.

Good luck and I hope you get it resolved.

 

[zerkamaz]

Good luck and I hope you get it resolved.

Thanks again for valuable info and for help!
Much appreciated.

 

[HoNeYBiRD]

"Please allow some time for your order to arrive. If you don't receive your order by Saturday, 15 April 2017, you may escalate to PayPal."

Yes, that was expected. They always suggest to try to work things out with the seller first and allow some time for delivery, which seems logical (they can't possibly know that it would have been an online transaction between you too involving BTC and it's better this way.)

The dispute was a bit rushed nevertheless. As you see, you are not really closer to your money, because you can't escalate the dispute to a claim until the 15th. It doesn't really matter when you open the dispute, you paid for goods and services, which means you're covered by PayPal for 180 days after the transaction took place. They will either get the money from the guy or they won't, but if you win the case, you'll get your money back either way. If they can't get the money from the guy, it's on them, they will pay you from their own pocket. The guy will have a negative balance, they will sell the dept to a debt collecting agency after some time.

 

[zerkamaz]

Yes, that was expected. They always suggest to try to work things out with the seller first and allow some time for delivery, which seems logical (they can't possibly know that it would have been an online transaction between you too involving BTC and it's better this way.)

The dispute was a bit rushed nevertheless. As you see, you are not really closer to your money, because you can't escalate the dispute to a claim until the 15th. It doesn't really matter when you open the dispute, you paid for goods and services, which means you're covered by PayPal for 180 days after the transaction took place. They will either get the money from the guy or they won't, but if you win the case, you'll get your money back either way. If they can't get the money from the guy, it's on them, they will pay you from their own pocket. The guy will have a negative balance, they will sell the dept to a debt collecting agency after some time.

DAMN right! Thanks for help. I have to wait now until Saturday to see what Paypal can do about that situation.

I have a question in my mind, what I have to say to Paypal if they asked me for document proof's? Do I have to mention to him I'm willing to buy BTC from the seller, I recorded even a video for that transaction, and all conversations we made via email are recorded!

P.S: The email that the seller emailed me with doesn't match the email of the Paypal account. is this matter?

 

[HoNeYBiRD]

DAMN right! Thanks for help. I have to wait now until Saturday to see what Paypal can do about that situation.

I have a question in my mind, what I have to say to Paypal if they asked me for document proof's? Do I have to mention to him I'm willing to buy BTC from the seller, I recorded even a video for that transaction, and all conversations we made via email are recorded!

P.S: The email that the seller emailed me with doesn't match the email of the Paypal account. is this matter?

You shouldn't mention that it was a BTC deal. More than likely they won't ask you anything. You opened a dispute, now the seller can respond or deliver. If he doesn't, you escalate it to a claim on the 15th and there will be a deadline until the seller needs to respond or deliver (i think around a week), if he doesn't, you'll get the money back automatically.

The thing is that you don't have to prove anything, the seller needs to prove that the item/service was delivered and that you received it, which will be impossible for him to do.

 

[zerkamaz]

You shouldn't mention that it was a BTC deal. More than likely they won't ask you anything. You opened a dispute, now the seller can respond or deliver. If he doesn't, you escalate it to a claim on the 15th and there will be a deadline until the seller needs to respond or deliver (i think around a week), if he doesn't, you'll get the money back automatically.

The thing is that you don't have to prove anything, the seller needs to prove that the item/service was delivered and that you received it, which will be impossible for him to do.

Awesome , Thank you so much for help!
I know it may take longer to get my money back, but I have to deal with that!
Thanks again for help!
Much appreciated.

 

[imoneyboy1]

Pff, it's too easy to get your money back from services via Paypal (unfortunate for sellers).
Opening the dispute takes the money from them, & if you disputed fast enough it would even take the funds from their bank by cancelling their withdrawal.

 

[noile20]

why dont you buy btc at blockchain(.)info .

 

[Toz]

If you're looking to buy BTC with PayPal, you should only use a reputable service, such as VirWox. Buying directly from people via PayPal is a no-no, for more reasons than I care to count. Good luck with your claim, but you should never do that again.

 

[Tamerlane]

Yeah, I would never buy BTC from a sketchy guy through not-Ebay, directly through PayPal... Was there a reason why you chose to do so? Like, did he offer "too good" prices? There are loads of reputable buy-sell BTC services out there.

 

[HoNeYBiRD]

Yeah, I would never buy BTC from a sketchy guy through not-Ebay, directly through PayPal...

It doesn't really matter. OP paid for goods and services, so he's covered buy the PayPal buyer protection, even if it was a direct PayPal deal and not via eBay.

There supposed to be an unwritten rule when dealing with BTC: PayPal (or any other payment service where your business partner can get the upper hand) should be avoided. On the other hand, if you do what OP did and pay for goods and services, you'll be covered. If you don't get your BTC, worst case scenario, your money will be stuck there for 2 weeks, until the claim is closed. Just don't mention, that it was a BTC deal.

 

[Tamerlane]

It doesn't really matter. OP paid for goods and services, so he's covered buy the PayPal buyer protection, even if it was a direct PayPal deal and not via eBay.

Yep, that's true, I just don't care for transactions like that. I've taken risks like that before, here on BHW of all places, and never been ripped off, so I'm not speaking from experience disputing PayPal payments made to sketchy sellers. Should've made that clear. Guess what I wanted to say to OP was to make his father an ally and avoid this kind of situation in future, especially if the seller seems "off" from the get-go.

 

[openhosting]

I think Paypal allows refunds of payment as long as the sender/buyer did not receive the item or product. I have not tried it myself but I heard and read from fellow Paypal users that it works like that.

 

[islandman1010]

You need to work out exactly what you are claiming for with Paypal and be extremely careful what you say. I did think that cash exchanges were not covered and buried deep in Paypal you will find these terms. I've just pasted the important bits. You must NOT mention Bitcoin.

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

associated with the sale of traveler's checks or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or check cashing businesses.

purchases of items equivalent to cash.

payments made in respect of financial products or investments

 

[mazar]

i recently got scammed out of litecoin on ebay ,i made them leave feedback 1st and payment and all listings were for 1 litecoin per listing ,all looked good until the said they never received them and paypal didnt hesitate to return their money and ebay still made me pay the seller fees ,lol .if i were you i would tell them it was a digital item and you will receive a full refund .

 

[zerkamaz]

why dont you buy btc at blockchain(.)info .

Does Blockchain provides that service? Do they accept PP?

 

[T2tkid]

OP, I hope you receive your money back. If you want to buy bitcoin, then you have to look for those exchanging sites.

 

[zerkamaz]

If you're looking to buy BTC with PayPal, you should only use a reputable service, such as VirWox. Buying directly from people via PayPal is a no-no, for more reasons than I care to count. Good luck with your claim, but you should never do that again.

I've been using VirWox for a well! Fees applied on the transactions especially when you do BIG amount will EAT you a live!
When I need BTC, I always withdraw my funds to Xapo Wallet, they Bought BTC for me with the Market price + $20. Sounds VERY good!

The scammer I'm dealing with provided me BTC for bargain price (900-1000$/BTC), that's why I deal with him!

 

[zerkamaz]

Yeah, I would never buy BTC from a sketchy guy through not-Ebay, directly through PayPal... Was there a reason why you chose to do so? Like, did he offer "too good" prices? There are loads of reputable buy-sell BTC services out there.

DAMN right! He offered me BTC for Bargain price, I saw his items on eBay, and he's selling 1 BTC for around 900$-1000$, that's why I deal with him.

LESSON I LEAR SO FAR: DON'T NEVER WITH SOMEONE OUTSIDE EBAY!!