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[etmcl]

I got a review copy from rouall I got the views delivered fast as compared to other services but the retention is kinda low but still my video managed to rank on youtube. I will buy the views once the service is back to normal

 

[erichon]

Hi Ruoall,

ordered views from you, you delivered, but retention is terrible. The video is 3 min 48 sec long, and almost all your views have a retention between 2 sec and 4 sec. That is not the way it should work. Please comment on this issue!!!
AND ALL YOUR VIEWS ARE MOBILE VIEWS!!!!!!

Eric

 

[KaisGuy]

Glad you got it figured out, when will we be able to order?

Cool mate. If all goes well, next week!

Yeah I think you managed to answer some hard questions above while giving a straight forward answer....I think I will place an order when your opened back up, but another question is how old do you suggest the video to be...2 weeks 1 week ect per view package?

Thanks mate. The age doesn't matter with my views at all.

I also received mobile views. 83% were mobile views.

PM Sent mate. I explained above what happened.

I got a review copy from rouall I got the views delivered fast as compared to other services but the retention is kinda low but still my video managed to rank on youtube. I will buy the views once the service is back to normal

Thanks mate. Appreciate the post.

Hi Ruoall,

ordered views from you, you delivered, but retention is terrible. The video is 3 min 48 sec long, and almost all your views have a retention between 2 sec and 4 sec. That is not the way it should work. Please comment on this issue!!!
AND ALL YOUR VIEWS ARE MOBILE VIEWS!!!!!!

Eric

Eric mate,

I have posted MULTIPLE times above about the Mobile views.

PLEASE take 5 min and read my posts about this as I cannot be any clearer as to what happened.

PM me your URL so I can get it fixed.

Thanks

Ruoall

 

[wil360]

I made an order last week and I received 13,240 all mobile 98% so please tell me what I need to do, do I send you my url by pm so you can deliver again? if you need proof send me your email by pm so I can send you the screenshot

 

[KaisGuy]

I made an order last week and I received 13,240 all mobile 98% so please tell me what I need to do, do I send you my url by pm so you can deliver again? if you need proof send me your email by pm so I can send you the screenshot

If you would be so kind mate.

As I mentioned, the error is completely on my side and I will take full responsibility.

To be clear, this mishap ONLY happened on some of the smaller orders.

PS: We have since removed the mobile views system completely to avoid such a mishap again.

 

[Materclub]

Looking forward for this service to return minus the mobile views. Hope you are back in business next week.

Thanks!

 

[anatho]

hello

on your site it says

YOUTUBE SERVICES ARE BACK!!​

Please make sure you read the information about the new Retention Views before ordering.​

We are finally back and better than ever!

but where are they? nothing to select from ...
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[KaisGuy]

The nonsense behind High Retention Views

If you haven?t lived under a rock for the past 14 months or so, you would most probably have heard about ?High Retention? views. The questions you should really ask yourself are:

1. ?Do I actually know what High Retention views are??
2. ?Have I actually given this some thought before jumping on the, what?s become quite a large, bandwagon??
3. ?Where has this beast been derived from??

Let me break it down for you. You sitting down? There IS no such thing as High Retention views in the eyes of Google and YouTube my friend. We?ve all been fed a fart and now we?re chewing it as though it?s a piece of gum.

Let?s look at the phrase ?High Retention? for what it really is. Retention is the condition of retaining (keeping) something. Looking at that, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the length of watch time when it comes to views.

One way of looking at ?retention? when it comes to YouTube is that if you have a steady flow of daily views to your videos, it can be seen as retention. Not how long the video is actually watched.

What retention definitely isn?t is when you buy 100,000 views and watch them all being delivered in the next 24 hours only to see your statistical graphs go up and then shoot all the way down again. That my friend, is most definitely not retention of any sort.

Let?s ready the DeLorean and travel back in time to see where all of this nonsense started. If you?ve been in this game for a while, you will remember that fateful day back in December of 2012. When all hell broke loose.

Since that fateful day, resellers have come up with this ridiculous marketing term that has taken the YouTube community by storm. The worst though is that the biggest culprits were the Resellers as they totally misunderstood this term.

We all have to start somewhere and to be honest, I fell for it hook line and sinker. But thank the Lord above for providing me with a healthy functioning brain that has lead me down the path of YouTube enlightenment. Through numerous hours of worries, conversations with other experts and the like, the proverbial wool that was pulled over my eyes fell off. I could see again and boy does the future look bright.

Since December 2012, everyone has experienced video losses. Script kiddies absolutely massacred this beautiful thing we had. Things looked bleak and nobody understood what was going on. Wait, maybe they understood Retention as ?Hold on mate, we will at least retain your video for a period of time before it will inevitably get deleted?? dunno to be honest, but what I DO know is, and I?ll say it again, EVERYONE had it wrong.

So getting back to this devilishly over-marketed term, it has absolutely nothing to do with YouTube analytics and everything to do with getting more sales from suckers like you and I.
Bloody hell, if you want to give it a name and take it home at least call it something that reflects the truth like ?Estimated Minutes Watched? or EMW.

Care to join me while we dive into your YouTube Analytics?

Here?s a very basic and seriously powerful concept. Knowing your YouTube Analytics Data can mean the difference between an Average Channel and a ?Take no prisoners, I make videos like a Boss? Awesome Channel.

If you didn?t know what I?m about to tell you, then slap yourself 3 times in the face. The whole concept behind YouTube analytics (launched all the way back in 2008) is to give you, the owner, the power to understand your audience, channel and content. Here?s the kicker though? there is not high retention boys.

What there is though is 2 different types of retentions and by golly I am yet to meet ONE supplier that actually knows or understands how they work. What these ?suppliers? do know however is how to grab one of the available YouTube URLs out there that can increase your view count, manipulate the watch time and tell you ?Hey Presto, you have 100% watch time?. You, none the wiser, walk away with a happy song in your head only to have the video you worked on so hard be deleted by the evil monster dude, YouTube. Bad YouTube, how dare you?

Here?s the thing, Google has little crawlers scouring the web looking at the source of the traffic sent as well as these analytics of your videos. In short, it all boils down to the following 2 reasons why your video or channel will in all probability get deleted.

Reason 1

Where does the traffic come from, Frank?

Well John, see all these Script Kiddies sending what we now know to be BS High Retention views?

Well, what they do is they do not study what they apply and supply. They find something that on face value works, yet they use the same IPs and the same traffic sources to send mass amounts of views to your video. Kapeesh?

What happens then? Well, Mr Crawler keeps eating the same IPs over and over and over and after a while he says to his dude ?Hey man, something?s off. I keep eating the same IP Addresses? and poof? your video is gone.

Ask yourself the following question. Do you think it?s natural to have your video watched thousands of times over from the same traffic sources and the same IPs? Hell no.

Reason 2

This comes down to the actual retention within Analytics. Now, don?t get confused as there are stats called Retention, but they are not High Retention.

These are Absolute and Relative Retention and I?ll indulge you by explaining further.

Absolute Retention

With Absolute Retention, it shows viewer retention as a percentage of the total views received. What you need to remember is when your video is re-watched or rewound the end result could be that your analytics shows amounts greater than 100%.

The same however goes for abandoning or fast-forwarding the video which can result in a drop of the view percentage.

It?s typical to see drop offs at the end of most videos during credits, or other footage when the main content ends. As always, try to keep viewer engagement up as long as possible.

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These images above gives you an idea of what correct the delivery of YouTube views should look like, whilst the images at the bottom shows you the incorrect delivery of these YouTube, so called quality and oh so cheap views.

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Still with me? Good? Let?s move on.

Relative Retention

In a nutshell, this type of retention shows you how your video compares in terms of popularity with other videos of similar length. Simple right?
In saying that, you should always make every effort to create appealing content for your viewers. Why you may ask? Well, watch times are of the utmost importance when it comes to suggested and recommended videos.

Simply put, you need to try and understand why certain videos in your niche keep the audience engaged and why others don?t. From there, make your changes based on your valuations.

What I want to leave you with

There is one more factor that comes into play when buying YouTube views. Can you guess what it is? No? Well let me help you out. Cookies!

Who doesn?t like a good ?ol cookie, right? In the world of YouTube views, cookies are a healthy thing and should not be kept away on the top shelf where little Johnny can?t reach them.
In all honestly, I would say that about 95% of the so-called suppliers out there forget about this very important factor. Further to that, most of these Script Kiddies don?t really care about these cookies either. All they really care about is pushing that view counter up. ?Hey dude, I can sell you 50,000 views @ .50c per 1000 views?. Please!!

Here?s an image to help clarify the cookie debacle.

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What along post. Damn, my fingers are sore and I feel like I?ve been put in detention made to write ?High Retention is bullshit? a 100 times over.

So I leave you with this parting thought. Guys, do not be blind when it comes to your Analytics. Scrutinize, check and then check again. There are many factors at play here other than just the number of views you get.

My services are open again!

All the best,

Ruoall

* (Reference: ghost cracker, the ultimate youtube hacker)

 

[anatho]

so the lowest price I can buy views for is $150?
ok thanks I will pass

 

[Zidane10]

Hey man. Can you refund my order CSA6099? Thanks.

 

[erichon]

So Ruoall,

what you are going to tell us is, that the number of views on a daily basis compared to competing videos counts as well.
Let me interprete that:

That means we should try to get more daily views compared to competing videos? For me (and that is what I suppose if I look at my statistics) that means that it is more important to get regular daily views (instead of boosts) along with likes, comments, subscribers etc.

What does this mean for the suppliers?

It means your offers must be different. It should be like:

I give you 200 views daily over a period of xxx months, along with xx likes, xx comments, xx favorites, xx subscribers for xx money.

My observations (I started back in December last year) were as follows:
Videos that I boosted with so called HR Views only worked for me when I boosted it to unlisted videos.

Example A: Video unlisted 5000 so called HR views.
When the views were delivered I made it public, which shot the video immediately up to page 1. After two days it started to drop rankings, and stopped at that point where other videos had been, which get a similar amount of views on a daily basis (I suppose). So what happened in that case? When going public YT thought OHHH it has got 5000 views and put it on page 1, realizing days later (when they updated again), that it does not get 5000 views on a daily basis, thus dropping it in the rankings.

Example B: Video public. Delivered 200 to 300 views mixed retention, along with likes and comments, on a DAILY basis over a month. The video started to climb the rankings until the position, where others also got this amount of views on a daily basis. When I stopped delivering on a daily basis and it did not get the daily views on a natural way, it dropped again.

So my conclusion is, to get a provider how delivers on a daily basis, like a subscription system, where lets say I subscribe a video for x $ for a month to get x views on a daily basis.

Please let me know if I am on the right track???

Eric

 

[balooka]

so you would prefer it for free? Im amazed even when I read other threads people who think a $10 order is too much. You want safety, quality and ranking, but you don't want to pay anything. yep that makes sense...

so the lowest price I can buy views for is $150?
ok thanks I will pass

 

[balooka]

So you are hoping he gives you secret, and the code, and perhaps for nothing? maybe he might post even more here on BHW for free.

So Ruoall,

what you are going to tell us is, that the number of views on a daily basis compared to competing videos counts as well.
Let me interprete that:

That means we should try to get more daily views compared to competing videos? For me (and that is what I suppose if I look at my statistics) that means that it is more important to get regular daily views (instead of boosts) along with likes, comments, subscribers etc.

What does this mean for the suppliers?

It means your offers must be different. It should be like:

I give you 200 views daily over a period of xxx months, along with xx likes, xx comments, xx favorites, xx subscribers for xx money.

My observations (I started back in December last year) were as follows:
Videos that I boosted with so called HR Views only worked for me when I boosted it to unlisted videos.

Example A: Video unlisted 5000 so called HR views.
When the views were delivered I made it public, which shot the video immediately up to page 1. After two days it started to drop rankings, and stopped at that point where other videos had been, which get a similar amount of views on a daily basis (I suppose). So what happened in that case? When going public YT thought OHHH it has got 5000 views and put it on page 1, realizing days later (when they updated again), that it does not get 5000 views on a daily basis, thus dropping it in the rankings.

Example B: Video public. Delivered 200 to 300 views mixed retention, along with likes and comments, on a DAILY basis over a month. The video started to climb the rankings until the position, where others also got this amount of views on a daily basis. When I stopped delivering on a daily basis and it did not get the daily views on a natural way, it dropped again.

So my conclusion is, to get a provider how delivers on a daily basis, like a subscription system, where lets say I subscribe a video for x $ for a month to get x views on a daily basis.

Please let me know if I am on the right track???

Eric

 

[KaisGuy]

so the lowest price I can buy views for is $150?
ok thanks I will pass

You get what you pay for.

Hey man. Can you refund my order CSA6099? Thanks.

Sure mate. Will process today.

So Ruoall,

what you are going to tell us is, that the number of views on a daily basis compared to competing videos counts as well.
Let me interprete that:

That means we should try to get more daily views compared to competing videos? For me (and that is what I suppose if I look at my statistics) that means that it is more important to get regular daily views (instead of boosts) along with likes, comments, subscribers etc.

What does this mean for the suppliers?

It means your offers must be different. It should be like:

I give you 200 views daily over a period of xxx months, along with xx likes, xx comments, xx favorites, xx subscribers for xx money.

My observations (I started back in December last year) were as follows:
Videos that I boosted with so called HR Views only worked for me when I boosted it to unlisted videos.

Example A: Video unlisted 5000 so called HR views.
When the views were delivered I made it public, which shot the video immediately up to page 1. After two days it started to drop rankings, and stopped at that point where other videos had been, which get a similar amount of views on a daily basis (I suppose). So what happened in that case? When going public YT thought OHHH it has got 5000 views and put it on page 1, realizing days later (when they updated again), that it does not get 5000 views on a daily basis, thus dropping it in the rankings.

Example B: Video public. Delivered 200 to 300 views mixed retention, along with likes and comments, on a DAILY basis over a month. The video started to climb the rankings until the position, where others also got this amount of views on a daily basis. When I stopped delivering on a daily basis and it did not get the daily views on a natural way, it dropped again.

So my conclusion is, to get a provider how delivers on a daily basis, like a subscription system, where lets say I subscribe a video for x $ for a month to get x views on a daily basis.

Please let me know if I am on the right track???

Eric

Let me answer your question for you erichon.

You see, many people where under the mishap that high retention views was a high watch time, but by many suppliers incorrectly manipulating this watch time is causing video deletions. YouTube has changed and I am sure you are well aware of that.

Boosting videos in the old way does not work anymore. Yes, we are still boosting videos, but with the correct analytics. Whether the video that comes to us has 0 views on start or 500k on start. We are able to give that boost with the correct values needed to give on a new video a well absolute retention and relative retention, and on an older video that either has or has not boosted using incorrect methods, we are able to give better analytics.

What we are doing is running a complete different game than the other suppliers on boosting videos. So to answer your question on should you deliver x amount of views every day, yes, if you are using the correct methods.

But it does not need to be done forever. Our boosts are here to give the correct analytics and the correct boost so there is no video loss. Now, of course after our boost and the user starts to rank, the natural views will do the rest. This is one reason why we are not offering 5k and 10k; it is really a short boost that does no good in 2014.

Many suppliers are still running the old methods. YT has caught onto this. We deliver a more natural boost in the eyes of YT. Preventing video deletion and a more qualified view.

We care about the end users. Do you?

 

[erichon]

You get what you pay for.



Sure mate. Will process today.



Let me answer your question for you erichon.

You see, many people where under the mishap that high retention views was a high watch time, but by many suppliers incorrectly manipulating this watch time is causing video deletions. YouTube has changed and I am sure you are well aware of that.

Boosting videos in the old way does not work anymore. Yes, we are still boosting videos, but with the correct analytics. Whether the video that comes to us has 0 views on start or 500k on start. We are able to give that boost with the correct values needed to give on a new video a well absolute retention and relative retention, and on an older video that either has or has not boosted using incorrect methods, we are able to give better analytics.

What we are doing is running a complete different game than the other suppliers on boosting videos. So to answer your question on should you deliver x amount of views every day, yes, if you are using the correct methods.

But it does not need to be done forever. Our boosts are here to give the correct analytics and the correct boost so there is no video loss. Now, of course after our boost and the user starts to rank, the natural views will do the rest. This is one reason why we are not offering 5k and 10k; it is really a short boost that does no good in 2014.

Many suppliers are still running the old methods. YT has caught onto this. We deliver a more natural boost in the eyes of YT. Preventing video deletion and a more qualified view.

We care about the end users. Do you?

Hi Ruoall,

thx for your answer. It enlightens me a bit more. Unfortunately your offer is only for the high competition videos. Let me give you an example.
If you have a medium to low competition video 50000 views are bit too much and not necessary to push it up. And if I look at it from a commercial point of view, a video if monetized lets say by adsense, needs to bring in profits, right? So if a video on page 1 low competition makes 0,1$ a day on profits, it would take 1500 days from your offer to break even. So if I were you (it is your business no question) I would not leave behind those whose strategy is to operate in the low competition niche. 1000 Videos that make 0,1$ a day profit, bring in 100$ a day, which is not bad, but would cost from your offer now 150 000 $. You get what I mean. So it would be good to have an offer from your side, which takes into consideration this low comp videos. I would aim on 5000 views with some likes and favs for about 8$. Just my 2 cents, as mentioned it is YOUR business. Anyway the beer we will take together.
Eric

 

[KaisGuy]

Hi Ruoall,

thx for your answer. It enlightens me a bit more. Unfortunately your offer is only for the high competition videos. Let me give you an example.
If you have a medium to low competition video 50000 views are bit too much and not necessary to push it up. And if I look at it from a commercial point of view, a video if monetized lets say by adsense, needs to bring in profits, right? So if a video on page 1 low competition makes 0,1$ a day on profits, it would take 1500 days from your offer to break even. So if I were you (it is your business no question) I would not leave behind those whose strategy is to operate in the low competition niche. 1000 Videos that make 0,1$ a day profit, bring in 100$ a day, which is not bad, but would cost from your offer now 150 000 $. You get what I mean. So it would be good to have an offer from your side, which takes into consideration this low comp videos. I would aim on 5000 views with some likes and favs for about 8$. Just my 2 cents, as mentioned it is YOUR business. Anyway the beer we will take together.
Eric

Sure Eric, I understand where you are coming from and so we have since reduced all our Absolute Retention prices to $2 per 1000.

Our minimum order though, remains the same as we are not in the mass market for 5k and 10k views anymore.

We are in the market NOT for quantity, but for quality.

Looking forward to that beer

Ruoall

 

[AndoG]

@Ruoall Since you say that this new method has a source as YouTube and the quality is good my next question is can this views be monetized? So will the views that you sell bring any form of revenue to me or are the views till (low quality) that won't bring revenue? Considering the price that you sell the views for I think it needs to bring something to get the investments back.

And one other thing is it possible to split videos say I buy 50.000 views for 100$? And last thing how long will it take for you to deliver those 50K views with the 100$ package?

 

[KaisGuy]

@Ruoall Since you say that this new method has a source as YouTube and the quality is good my next question is can this views be monetized? So will the views that you sell bring any form of revenue to me or are the views till (low quality) that won't bring revenue? Considering the price that you sell the views for I think it needs to bring something to get the investments back.

And one other thing is it possible to split videos say I buy 50.000 views for 100$? And last thing how long will it take for you to deliver those 50K views with the 100$ package?

Hi there,


Alright, so we do not do any form of monetization on our side regarding views, but what I can say is that our views are of the highest, toppest (is that even a word?) quality.


It would very illegal for us to monetize views and it would, in a nutshell, be fraudulently defacing YouTube.


Our views come in as a YouTube visitor. What we do focus on is delivering you absolute retention to your video.


Where we differ ourselves from the other suppliers is that we do not manipulate watch times in the URLs.


YouTube records this and this is one of several reasons why videos are deleted. The simple fact is that if you, in any way, monetize views to generate a revenue it's very illegal.


Point is, we don't do illegal things, we deliver pure quality with absolute retention and we dont have video deletions.


Hope this makes sense.


Ruoall

 

[Wealthy Wisdom]

First of all, glad to see you're back and bringing a quality service. Right now is probably the best time to provide something like this, and I say that because I have not seen one seller speak of views the way you do and deliver a 100% no deletion method. Now i'm still under the impression that if people want to try these on hack,crack,keygen videos there is still a chance of deletion since the niche violates the YT TOS.

This wouldn't stop me from ordering in the future but what I wanted to know the same thing as AndoG, can we split these 50k views among 10 videos for 5k each. I'm guessing that you are not offering that anymore and it's okay, I just want it to be clarified.

Anyway good luck with sales, thanks for being the only different one on this forum when it comes to the youtube updates. Maybe when I start focusing on white hat only I will come to you lol

 

[AndoG]

Hi there,


Alright, so we do not do any form of monetization on our side regarding views, but what I can say is that our views are of the highest, toppest (is that even a word?) quality.


It would very illegal for us to monetize views and it would, in a nutshell, be fraudulently defacing YouTube.


Our views come in as a YouTube visitor. What we do focus on is delivering you absolute retention to your video.


Where we differ ourselves from the other suppliers is that we do not manipulate watch times in the URLs.


YouTube records this and this is one of several reasons why videos are deleted. The simple fact is that if you, in any way, monetize views to generate a revenue it's very illegal.


Point is, we don't do illegal things, we deliver pure quality with absolute retention and we dont have video deletions.


Hope this makes sense.


Ruoall

I am using monetizble views from an other seller outsde this forumes and I can say that i never had any porblems using those views. The views are monetizble bring in good revenue and never get my vidoes deleted or anything. So for you to say that you have quality views but they dont bring revnue is just bad man.

Look paying you 100$ and having the chance of not earning anything back is just not a good way to do buisnis, see buying views for 10$ and earning nothing back that is ok for me to lose 10 bucks but paying 100$ is just a big risk and if it doesnt rank high or something than its jus me losing 100$ you know.

So I can say this monetizble viws are much safer than any other views because the views are 100% from the Youtube watch page making the views of a good enough qualty to one bring money and 2 dont get in youtubes bad side. Its a shame that your views cant bring any revenue because if they did I would have bought views from you many times.