Permanently Closed Marketplace Sales Thread

[gb5000]

If we wouldn't be able to do it, we wouldn't have stated it that we can, and it is actually wrong saying we, because all the hard work is done by my buddy, Mike.

He is an excellent coder, and all credit goes to him for what has been done so far and as stated numerous times, recaptcha is almost finished, so just have a little bit more patience guys and it will be out

Wow, if you get it over 70% solve rate, thats gonna put ALOT of people out of business (or close to it). Create ALOT more spam (because your software will still be cheap for newbs to buy), cause the rank (link juice worth) of recapched forums to go down if they allow only recaptcha as there only anti-spam measure, since it costs virtually nothing to market on those forums, and etc. etc.

This is gonna have a HUGE ripple effect. It might not happen in the first month, but in a few months the consequences of the availability of this software and the amount of people using it at the same time is gonna cause havoc. If its not server side, it also has a chance of being cracked as well.

OP, please don't take this the wrong way, I think its a brilliant idea for you to cash in on, as your the only one in the market with a software like yours at your price point, even IF you charge double for recaptchaed update. This benefits YOU greatly (and honestly, I would do the same thing if I had a SW like this to sell). For people on the other side, however, they need to think about the good AND the bad. So please, guys, hear me out.......

The easier you make this shit, the less valuable the links and whatever else you spread, the less money you guys are gonna make in the long run (which, if you guys are honest, this is all about saving money and allowing you guys to make more.) Since captchas will now be worth less then 1/3 of a cent (to virtually FREE over time), so will your links be as well since now anyone with less money can do it, get it? (do what everybody else is doing, and you'll get what everybody else is getting.)

Its precisely the fact that captchas cost money that is keeping you guys in business (you don't realize that though, do you?). Take away that, and you leave a HUGE footprint as not only will you not be the only one spending less on your marketing (because this makes part of your marketing that much cheaper), you will more then likely target the same forums and websites (the one's with recaptcha). If this happens, in the future, it will take even MORE links (or more whatever it is that only anti-spam system is recap) to get juice to those forums since google will notice a pattern and respond in turn (making links from those sites less valuable). This has happened before.

So what am I saying? I know this can't be stopped. All I'm trying to tell you guys is get prepared. Once you get your hands on this and recaptcha is implemented, early bird catches the worm. GO HARD.....cause they (forums, google, websites) will do something about it once it hits critical mass. It happens everytime. And, they have to, otherwise, it will destroy there authority (which is the links you guys REALLY want) and it will take twice the time it takes now to blast out enough links to make traction on your sites since the value of your links has gone down (if someone who has been doing blasts can confirm this, I'd appreciate it. If not, I'll retract my statement. But its based on research I've done around the web. let me know if I'm wrong.)

This is ofcourse future thinking. Those who don't care and looking to make a quick buck probably will see this post as overreacting. But those who have been in the game long enough can see where this will go if enough people jump on board.

I'm not saying don't buy the software, because unless you have a better alternative, at a 70% solve rate, you won't have much of a choice for a while. But...what I am saying is....start preparing for the day when anti-spam systems will change and bots have a harder time getting you links and etc.

Remember, google is a billion dollar company. Matt Cutts read BHW. Don't think for one minute this is your own little secret family, were being watched. They've put anti-spam filters in place to use against us. They will continue to do it. So go in knowing that, and when something happens, or recapthca dose some crazy update that you don't see coming, you'll be prepared. Until then, get this shit now, get those links before your competitors do (They'll more then likely get the same ones your getting if its recaptcha), and get ready. Again, once this (and spam resulting from cheaper costs on your end) hits critical mass, they're gonna react. History does repeat itself.

OP, thank you for the service. And mike does deserve credit, its a bitch breaking recap. But I think these guys deserve to know what the consequence of cheap software could do to marketing as a whole. I still plan on getting CS once recap is implemented. Thanks!

 

[ShifterIO]

Man, you sound as if the end of the IM is near. Don't forget that every time Google implemented a new anti spam system almost immediately a new service or a new bot appeared to break G's system. So if won't be re-catpcha anymore and it will be something else (question-answer or an image match) coders will definitely work something out and we will continue building links like we do now.

One more thing: Maybe Google is a billion dollars company but Black Haters Minds are a trillion dollars industry that Matt Cutts would kill to own it.

 

[masterjani]

Does it works with bookmarking daemon.

 

[gb5000]

Man, you sound as if the end of the IM is near. Don't forget that every time Google implemented a new anti spam system almost immediately a new service or a new bot appeared to break G's system. So if won't be re-catpcha anymore and it will be something else (question-answer or an image match) coders will definitely work something out and we will continue building links like we do now.

One more thing: Maybe Google is a billion dollars company but Black Haters Minds are a trillion dollars industry that Matt Cutts would kill to own it.

Your Naive.

The question is not whether IM'er's will figure out a way around it, thats a given. The question is: HOW LONG will it take for IM'ers to figure out.

And.....do ya research before you answer playboy. Its NOT "almost immediately", more like "a few weeks, a few months, and a few years"!

Breaking anti-spam systems takes WORK! Coming up with new Anti-spam filters takes WORK!

Also, once someone does break its code, what usually happens is it exploited at a HIGH price point for as long as possible before others catch on. This means, for an example related to this thread, that it could take YEARS of OCR service before someone comes up with something like Catpcha sniper.

Once someone releases something at a lower price point making it available to more people then it otherwise would be (or it gets cracked, making it even more available), it also increases spam (because its easier to get into the game, and more people play), which DECREASES your markets worth (since you now have more people trying there hand at it), Decreases the worth of anything being sold that uses recapthca solving (unless its process of creation complicates it), which, in turn decreases your money OVER TIME (since you get out what you put in, can't change that law), and etc. etc.

Its COMMON BUSINESS SENSE. If you've been running ANY kind of business of ANY STATURE, then your effected by this rule whether you know it, beleive it, or not.

The use of this software does NOT protect your business from that rule.

One more thing:

So if won't be re-catpcha anymore and it will be something else (question-answer or an image match) coders will definitely work something out and we will continue building links like we do now.

No doubt, you will continue building links. Question is, as explained above, how long before coders figure it out?

How long does one coder, who's one of the VERY few who knows how to get around the system, charge you a premium for those question-answer solves before someone else enters the market, then someone else, then someone else?

How much worth do those links to those HARDER anti-spam sites have?

How much worth do those same links have when it becomes easier to build those links?

These questions above me creates what you guys experience as a "MARKET". These also happen to highlight the various changes in IM over the years (again, DO YOUR RESEARCH!)

Don't get big headed, ofcourse your gonna have people getting around various anti-spam measures over time. BUT, that dosen't give you a free ride.

The market ALWAYS corrects itself. And...IN THE LONG RUN of your business, you get what you pay for.

So, as the solves for recaptchas become cheaper, once again, so will your links ( and anything related that you use recapcher for) OVERTIME!

Can't change that, I'm just trying to enlighten you so you'll understand and won't be taken by surprise at the gradual shift in your results.

The only thing that will keep giving your multiple links SOME value is that most of the software you use (BMD, SENUKE, etc.) COST money to get (though some are cracked). But if those get cheaper, once again, so will your links. After the next update for this software is released, that will be the only thing keeping your "links" above water.

Thats all I'm saying.

 

[fhassan]

Is "no hands SEO" require any captcha solving service

 

[andreyg13]

I get an error "invalid procedure call or argument-5" when testing some captchas however others work.

Running Win Server 2008 R2 64bit.


Installed Microsoft Visual C++ 2010, made sure both reg files are not there and run as admin in win xp sp3 mode per instructions.

did you try to click the image captchas as a test or ran it with a tool and that is when you get this error?

I sent you via PM my skype id so that we can resolve this issue asap

Does this work with scrapebox fast poster?

yes, but don't go over 15 threads as multithreding will be supported with comming updates

does this work with magic submitter, dont fancy trawling through 11 pages.

no, we didn't recieve confirmations about it so it is not supported by magic submitter yet

Man, you sound as if the end of the IM is near. Don't forget that every time Google implemented a new anti spam system almost immediately a new service or a new bot appeared to break G's system. So if won't be re-catpcha anymore and it will be something else (question-answer or an image match) coders will definitely work something out and we will continue building links like we do now.

One more thing: Maybe Google is a billion dollars company but Black Haters Minds are a trillion dollars industry that Matt Cutts would kill to own it.

Does it works with bookmarking daemon.

Your Naive.

The question is not whether IM'er's will figure out a way around it, thats a given. The question is: HOW LONG will it take for IM'ers to figure out.

And.....do ya research before you answer playboy. Its NOT "almost immediately", more like "a few weeks, a few months, and a few years"!

Breaking anti-spam systems takes WORK! Coming up with new Anti-spam filters takes WORK!

Also, once someone does break its code, what usually happens is it exploited at a HIGH price point for as long as possible before others catch on. This means, for an example related to this thread, that it could take YEARS of OCR service before someone comes up with something like Catpcha sniper.

Once someone releases something at a lower price point making it available to more people then it otherwise would be (or it gets cracked, making it even more available), it also increases spam (because its easier to get into the game, and more people play), which DECREASES your markets worth (since you now have more people trying there hand at it), Decreases the worth of anything being sold that uses recapthca solving (unless its process of creation complicates it), which, in turn decreases your money OVER TIME (since you get out what you put in, can't change that law), and etc. etc.

Its COMMON BUSINESS SENSE. If you've been running ANY kind of business of ANY STATURE, then your effected by this rule whether you know it, beleive it, or not.

The use of this software does NOT protect your business from that rule.

One more thing:



No doubt, you will continue building links. Question is, as explained above, how long before coders figure it out?

How long does one coder, who's one of the VERY few who knows how to get around the system, charge you a premium for those question-answer solves before someone else enters the market, then someone else, then someone else?

How much worth do those links to those HARDER anti-spam sites have?

How much worth do those same links have when it becomes easier to build those links?

These questions above me creates what you guys experience as a "MARKET". These also happen to highlight the various changes in IM over the years (again, DO YOUR RESEARCH!)

Don't get big headed, ofcourse your gonna have people getting around various anti-spam measures over time. BUT, that dosen't give you a free ride.

The market ALWAYS corrects itself. And...IN THE LONG RUN of your business, you get what you pay for.

So, as the solves for recaptchas become cheaper, once again, so will your links ( and anything related that you use recapcher for) OVERTIME!

Can't change that, I'm just trying to enlighten you so you'll understand and won't be taken by surprise at the gradual shift in your results.

The only thing that will keep giving your multiple links SOME value is that most of the software you use (BMD, SENUKE, etc.) COST money to get (though some are cracked). But if those get cheaper, once again, so will your links. After the next update for this software is released, that will be the only thing keeping your "links" above water.

Thats all I'm saying.

Well, you guys are talking about a market that is under constant development. As an example I can give xrumer which is one of the most heavy spam tools out there and G is aware of that, but even so you can still rank with xrumer only. Not for heavy kw but it is still very efficient
and trust me i have recently done that with low competition kw and this is to answer your question about how much worth those links are going to have.

Remember, it is not only the authority which gives you rankings, the ip spread plays a very heavy part in this also

My point is, that we have already reached the point where diversity is needed. And as you said, breaking captchas requires work and upgrading captchas also.

So if this would be a threat, then i believe most of the old link building tools like xrumer, scrapebox, bmd would have been dead by now and they are still very much in the game. Xrumer is pretty much selling for the same astronomical price plus a monthly charge. I believe they would have dropped the price by now or would have been out of the game.

So at this point I agree and the more tools you use, and the more diversity you have, the better

As seen this year with the panda update, many sites lost rankings

but hey... why do we fall down?

so we learn to get up again

Just as an example i had 8 sites which lost rankings and dropped from spots like 3, 5, 6 to 98, 120 even 300. I just left them alone for a couple of months and i've build very few links to them but with different tactics and they are pretty much back to where they where only ranking better. And those rankings don't come onl;y from what I ahve done lately after the panda update, what was done before also has importance.

and let's not forget the sandbox myth

So you see, whenever this happens it doesn't last forever, this industry is constantly changing and everyone goes along and changes with it because this is the game

So my final point is, that you can build links, comments, bookmarks, web 2.0 linkwheels, forum links...etc, and add building whitehat links to the whole picture plus multi tier links to your backlinks....you name it, then, in the end it would be impossible to track everything, because again, if something changes, everybody is changing tactics and it takes time again to catch up.

Same deal with the captcha industry, don't think it is any different than that

But as stated numerous times, we are working hard to keep our tools top notch

Is "no hands SEO" require any captcha solving service

We already have direct implementation with No Hands SEO and it is stated on age 11 and it is also added to our supported tools image on the first page of our thread.

 

[gb5000]

Hey andreyg13, thanks for responding with an intelligent answer, major props for that!

However, if you don't mind, you have proven my point directly with the statements in your post. Let me point out some things that you said that gives one of the points I made in my last post some "juice":

you can still rank with xrumer only. Not for heavy kw

Right, and again, I ask WHY NOT?

Quick question: I was around when xrumer first came on the market. Was it possible to use it to rank for Heavy KW when it was first released BEFORE the FIRST panda update?

Remember, it is not only the authority which gives you rankings, the ip spread plays a very heavy part in this also

How easy is it to get the IP spread?

Xrumer is pretty much selling for the same astronomical price plus a monthly charge.

Right, which I beleive is the reason WHY Xrumer blasts can still be sold and have some sort of value for backlink builders. Would the same be said if the price was HALF of what it is now? How much would those Xrumer blast go for? And how much MORE of them would be sold? How much more software would Xrumer sell if it had a "half off sale" for life?

And a big question: How would that effect the value those Xrumer links would get? I would still like to know why you can't just rank for heavy KW's with ONLY Xrumer if you could somehow do it in the past. Was it because the techniques of that particular software became more widely used he more popular it got?

that we have already reached the point where diversity is needed

This is an EFFECT of an earlier CAUSE. Now, ofcourse, none of us has the power to effect the causation of things. I can't tell you what to do with your software, nor can I tell xrumer or senuke or BMD. But that dosen't stop the general EFFECT its popularity has on backlink strategy's.

Diversity is the spammers (marketers) answer to a ever changing algorithm simply because google wants to make it as confusing as possible to keep people from using bots to rank. Would the same be true if those bots were kept "private"?

3, 5, 6 to 98, 120 even 300. I just left them alone for a couple of months and i've build very few links to them but with different tactics

Just curious, were you using KNOWN strategy's by any chance? Is the strategy that your using widely used by others? Were these links or sites widely used by others? How easy was it to get those links on those sites? Why did you build those links so slowly? Does building faster links to sites sets off some sort of "alarm" in the algorithm of search engines (google)?

I'm not saying this to get your method, I'm asking those questions in context to the fact that you had to do something "different" that more then likely few are doing (or whatever dosen't make you look like a "bot") in order to get back into that spot.

So, why does google NOT want to rank a site that looks like it has a bot building backlinks for it? Is it because the popularity of bots made it easy for site owners, site owners made it easy to notice a pattern (using the same bots), and google made an update to counter that? Just wondering!

So you see, whenever this happens it doesn't last forever, this industry is constantly changing and everyone goes along and changes with it because this is the game

Yeah, I know. I've been in it long enough to notice the constant flux the game is in. So much so, that you can almost PREDICT what will happen! Seeing the same things happens in different ways over the years makes it predictable. Cause and effect....

So my final point is, that you can build links, comments, bookmarks, web 2.0 linkwheels, forum links...etc, and add building whitehat links to the whole picture plus multi tier links to your backlinks....you name it, then, in the end it would be impossible to track everything, because again, if something changes, everybody is changing tactics and it takes time again to catch up.

EXACTLY! But if you can see that coming, you can prepare before that happens.......And take minimum damage to your business as a result (or jump ship before it goes down)

Same deal with the captcha industry, don't think it is any different than that

I don't! Its EXACTLY the point I was making!

Again, where there is great benefit, there is ALSO great DOWNSIDE as well. You can't have one without the other. I'm just alerting folks to that downside (in due time), because as you said (in your own way), change is the only guarantee in this business. Those with experience can see this.

Again, don't get me wrong, I plan on buying your SW. In all honesty, you leave me no choice, esp. if you plan on out pricing the current competition I use. I'm just not one to get cault up in hype, or look at things from one angle. If your offering this service with NO monthly charges, LOWER price point, and no server side hosting, with ongoing updates, its gonna spread QUICK! I'm sure you know and planned for this as your current rankings and sites talking about your software in the search engines reflects it. But I know what popularity does to a bot (at your current price point), I've seen it before. Thats the downside I'm trying to explain to people.

Thank for answering man!

 

[HatIsBlack]

Hey andreyg13, thanks for responding with an intelligent answer, major props for that!

However, if you don't mind, you have proven my point directly with the statements in your post. Let me point out some things that you said that gives one of the points I made in my last post some "juice":



Right, and again, I ask WHY NOT?

Quick question: I was around when xrumer first came on the market. Was it possible to use it to rank for Heavy KW when it was first released BEFORE the FIRST panda update?



How easy is it to get the IP spread?



Right, which I beleive is the reason WHY Xrumer blasts can still be sold and have some sort of value for backlink builders. Would the same be said if the price was HALF of what it is now? How much would those Xrumer blast go for? And how much MORE of them would be sold? How much more software would Xrumer sell if it had a "half off sale" for life?

And a big question: How would that effect the value those Xrumer links would get? I would still like to know why you can't just rank for heavy KW's with ONLY Xrumer if you could somehow do it in the past. Was it because the techniques of that particular software became more widely used he more popular it got?



This is an EFFECT of an earlier CAUSE. Now, ofcourse, none of us has the power to effect the causation of things. I can't tell you what to do with your software, nor can I tell xrumer or senuke or BMD. But that dosen't stop the general EFFECT its popularity has on backlink strategy's.

Diversity is the spammers (marketers) answer to a ever changing algorithm simply because google wants to make it as confusing as possible to keep people from using bots to rank. Would the same be true if those bots were kept "private"?



Just curious, were you using KNOWN strategy's by any chance? Is the strategy that your using widely used by others? Were these links or sites widely used by others? How easy was it to get those links on those sites? Why did you build those links so slowly? Does building faster links to sites sets off some sort of "alarm" in the algorithm of search engines (google)?

I'm not saying this to get your method, I'm asking those questions in context to the fact that you had to do something "different" that more then likely few are doing (or whatever dosen't make you look like a "bot") in order to get back into that spot.

So, why does google NOT want to rank a site that looks like it has a bot building backlinks for it? Is it because the popularity of bots made it easy for site owners, site owners made it easy to notice a pattern (using the same bots), and google made an update to counter that? Just wondering!



Yeah, I know. I've been in it long enough to notice the constant flux the game is in. So much so, that you can almost PREDICT what will happen! Seeing the same things happens in different ways over the years makes it predictable. Cause and effect....




EXACTLY! But if you can see that coming, you can prepare before that happens.......And take minimum damage to your business as a result (or jump ship before it goes down)



I don't! Its EXACTLY the point I was making!

Again, where there is great benefit, there is ALSO great DOWNSIDE as well. I'm just alerting folks to that downside (in due time), because as you said (in your own way), change is the only guarantee in this business. Those with experience can see this.

Thank for answering man!

I wounder..? Aint this just all natural? I mean everything evolves. As old methods gets easier to handle new things come. New ideas are hitting the market to handle the new techniques and as people try to compete the prices drop and evrerything is back to the beginning.


Don't be afraid of the changes. Follow them instead since you can't control them.

 

[creditandgolfse]

my point to add is that the decaptcha services already provide a solution to solve recaptcha? it just costs money so yeah less may be using it but sites with recaptcha are still getting spammed right now as long as humans are willing to type in captcha codes all day.. this will make it easier, but thats the challenge of the game

 

[gb5000]

I wounder..? Aint this just all natural? I mean everything evolves. As old methods gets easier to handle new things come. New ideas are hitting the market to handle the new techniques and as people try to compete the prices drop and evrerything is back to the beginning.


Don't be afraid of the changes. Follow them instead since you can't control them.

Not necessarily. Old methods were ALOT more profitable then the newer methods that are coming out, simply because of one thing: LESS COMPETITION.

When BHW was relatively unknown, there were ALOT more HIGH DOLLAR success stories here then there are now. Now that you have over 200k members, new methods get saturated ALOT quicker then it did say 3 to 4 years ago. That in itself actually drive your markets worth down and keeps your market prices UP!

Go back in time and search for the success storys and see for yourself. Early adapters ALWAYS (or a high percentage of them) make more then late bloomers.

Its true that new methods come up, but the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding that truth effects how effective that said method will become. For an example of this, see ebay, FB, and CL, Twitter, and SEO marketing. All of these still make money, and yet they are harder now then they were three years ago. Thats not a coincidence. That happened along side of IM's increased popularity as a field.

As far a change, your absolutely correct about that. But there is no harm in trying to find ways of getting yourself prepared once more change happens. If you just live your life just going along without somehow preparing for future change, you'll be cault offguard alot more then you care to admit!

 

[keizer]

Purchased. Followed the later process now waiting for license.

See your PM.

 

[andreyg13]

However, if you don't mind, you have proven my point directly with the statements in your post. Let me point out some things that you said that gives one of the points I made in my last post some "juice":

Of course, I am sure we all agree to this

Right, and again, I ask WHY NOT?

This i have already stated, you can not rank heavy kw and even medium kw only with xrumer blasts since you need diversity

Quick question: I was around when xrumer first came on the market. Was it possible to use it to rank for Heavy KW when it was first released BEFORE the FIRST panda update?

Yes it was used that way. But again not only xrumer blasts, you also needed diversity for heavy and medium kw so as you see not much has changed.

How easy is it to get the IP spread?

Let's say if you own scrapebox you can get it very easy. You got to have some good harvesting skills.

For example if you get a list of 100k unique domains which host forums, you can blast that list with forum bot and let's say you end up with 20k working usable forums. From here alone you could get an ip spread of let's say 16k.

so 16k domains hosted on different ip's would get you an ip spread of 16k unique ip's which link back to your site.

But you can get many more than that and forums where just an example, blogs are also a way to go.

If you get a list of 30k aa domains then you would get an ip spread of 25k probably.

I don't say 30k because among those domains you might also get subdomains and those would be hosted under the same ip.

I gave scrapebox and forum bot as an example because the costs are lower this way

Right, which I beleive is the reason WHY Xrumer blasts can still be sold and have some sort of value for backlink builders. Would the same be said if the price was HALF of what it is now? How much would those Xrumer blast go for? And how much MORE of them would be sold? How much more software would Xrumer sell if it had a "half off sale" for life?

And a big question: How would that effect the value those Xrumer links would get? I would still like to know why you can't just rank for heavy KW's with ONLY Xrumer if you could somehow do it in the past. Was it because the techniques of that particular software became more widely used he more popular it got?

If we are talking about value then here I would say it depends on the end user, how he harvests his lists and what he does to trim out the bad ones from the quality ones.

To correct this, not even in the past as far as i recall, it was never possible to rank heavy kw with xrumer only, you still needed diversity.

So, to give you an example on how to get a quality list:

1. harvest for forums using the needed footprints and a huge kw list, let's say 2-4 mil kw ( after going through every possible forum footprint out there this can also take up to several months)

2. remove all duplicate domains and let's say you end up with a nice decent list of over 7 mil unique domains (this is just an example, so numbers are only ment for statistics)

3. Check each and every domain for PR, and you would have to run them through several times since proxies burn out and get banned after a few pr checks so it also depends on how many proxies you have available, but for such a list several runs are definitely needed.

4. Let's say you end up with 1,5 mil unique domains PR2 and above.

Now, that would be a quality list and trust me, high pr sites get crawled faster therefor your link might be indexed faster.

This is an EFFECT of an earlier CAUSE. Now, of course, none of us has the power to effect the causation of things. I can't tell you what to do with your software, nor can I tell xrumer or senuke or BMD. But that dosen't stop the general EFFECT its popularity has on backlink strategy's.

Diversity is the spammers (marketers) answer to a ever changing algorithm simply because google wants to make it as confusing as possible to keep people from using bots to rank. Would the same be true if those bots were kept "private"?

Google will always change algo, and for a fact nobody will ever know for sure 100% what works and what doesn't.

But somebody who is in the seo business for a long time and has experienced this numerous times will know that something works 100% because tested it on several occassions and know what to look for.

So for somebody who is in the game, once G changes algo, he will most probably know what to tune up or what to change.

Even if bots would be kept private, i don't think it would influence a lot, the game will still be the same.

Only way that would change is if G would hire people to rank sites personally which I hardly think it will happen.

Let's take the dupe content part which was exactly what panda was focused on.

Just find some articles related to your niche in different languages.....and i love this part.... with the help of G translate.... translate it into english, correct the sentences and run it through spell checker to make it as perfect as possible and voila...you have your own unique articles. And trust me, you can get well over 20 unique articles in 2 hours per day. so in 10 days you can have about 200...etc

spin those in order to use it in your link diversity and also while building backlinks to your backlinks

Just curious, were you using KNOWN strategy's by any chance? Is the strategy that your using widely used by others? Were these links or sites widely used by others? How easy was it to get those links on those sites? Why did you build those links so slowly? Does building faster links to sites sets off some sort of "alarm" in the algorithm of search engines (google)?

I'm not saying this to get your method, I'm asking those questions in context to the fact that you had to do something "different" that more then likely few are doing (or whatever dosen't make you look like a "bot") in order to get back into that spot.

So, why does google NOT want to rank a site that looks like it has a bot building backlinks for it? Is it because the popularity of bots made it easy for site owners, site owners made it easy to notice a pattern (using the same bots), and google made an update to counter that? Just wondering!

As said in my previous answer, do you remember the sandbox myth.

Well my strategy was not complicated, once i loose ranks or once i was in the sandbox, i have built only manual looking whitehat links and that's it. And the sites i reffered to earlier received a couple of hundreds per site only.


Imagine if I would like to knock out a competitor, I would just shoot sb blasts to the first ranked site all day long anchoring with kw that have nothing to do with his site, would google slap him for that?

No what would happen is, it would not take those links in consideration, it wouldjust ignore them and that's it.

This happened to me a while back. All of a sudden i had 60k links in my webmaster account which i didn't know where they came from. ! week back they disappeared and nothing serious happened.

Yeah, I know. I've been in it long enough to notice the constant flux the game is in. So much so, that you can almost PREDICT what will happen! Seeing the same things happens in different ways over the years makes it predictable. Cause and effect....

Exactly what i said above

EXACTLY! But if you can see that coming, you can prepare before that happens.......And take minimum damage to your business as a result (or jump ship before it goes down)

Play it safe and use these tools for finding and building ONLY high quality links to your sites

I don't! Its EXACTLY the point I was making!

Again, where there is great benefit, there is ALSO great DOWNSIDE as well. You can't have one without the other. I'm just alerting folks to that downside (in due time), because as you said (in your own way), change is the only guarantee in this business. Those with experience can see this.

Again, don't get me wrong, I plan on buying your SW. In all honesty, you leave me no choice, esp. if you plan on out pricing the current competition I use. I'm just not one to get cault up in hype, or look at things from one angle. If your offering this service with NO monthly charges, LOWER price point, and no server side hosting, with ongoing updates, its gonna spread QUICK! I'm sure you know and planned for this as your current rankings and sites talking about your software in the search engines reflects it. But I know what popularity does to a bot (at your current price point), I've seen it before. Thats the downside I'm trying to explain to people.

Thank for answering man!

This is exactly one of the reasons why we will raise the price, by how much we don't know yet, we will know that at the right moment

and to quote HatisBlack, everything changes and all of us have to play along

 

[andreyg13]

Purchased. Followed the later process now waiting for license.

See your PM.

PM sent, thx for your purchase

 

[nsanyi23]

Hello! great soft, but i want to ask that it can use with bookmarking demon or article demon!

thanks!

 

[andreyg13]

Hello! great soft, but i want to ask that it can use with bookmarking demon or article demon!

thanks!

BMD is not supported yet but will become available with future updates. We didn't receive any confirmations about article demon yet

 

[nsanyi23]

thanks for infos...I find at andreareviews that i can use at bookmarking demon...

 

[andreyg13]

thanks for infos...I find at andreareviews that i can use at bookmarking demon...

that is not correct, bmd is not supported yet

 

[tonoman]

Will it work with BMD in the near future for sure? If so, how soon? next few days, weeks, months, what do you estimate?

 

[omida86]

Will it work with BMD in the near future for sure? If so, how soon? next few days, weeks, months, what do you estimate?

chill out, wait until recap and multithreading comes out first..

 

[gb5000]

Of course, I am sure we all agree to this

This i have already stated, you can not rank heavy kw and even medium kw only with xrumer blasts since you need diversity

Yes it was used that way. But again not only xrumer blasts, you also needed diversity for heavy and medium kw so as you see not much has changed.

Let's say if you own scrapebox you can get it very easy. You got to have some good harvesting skills.

For example if you get a list of 100k unique domains which host forums, you can blast that list with forum bot and let's say you end up with 20k working usable forums. From here alone you could get an ip spread of let's say 16k.

so 16k domains hosted on different ip's would get you an ip spread of 16k unique ip's which link back to your site.

But you can get many more than that and forums where just an example, blogs are also a way to go.

If you get a list of 30k aa domains then you would get an ip spread of 25k probably.

I don't say 30k because among those domains you might also get subdomains and those would be hosted under the same ip.

I gave scrapebox and forum bot as an example because the costs are lower this way

If we are talking about value then here I would say it depends on the end user, how he harvests his lists and what he does to trim out the bad ones from the quality ones.

To correct this, not even in the past as far as i recall, it was never possible to rank heavy kw with xrumer only, you still needed diversity.

So, to give you an example on how to get a quality list:

1. harvest for forums using the needed footprints and a huge kw list, let's say 2-4 mil kw ( after going through every possible forum footprint out there this can also take up to several months)

2. remove all duplicate domains and let's say you end up with a nice decent list of over 7 mil unique domains (this is just an example, so numbers are only ment for statistics)

3. Check each and every domain for PR, and you would have to run them through several times since proxies burn out and get banned after a few pr checks so it also depends on how many proxies you have available, but for such a list several runs are definitely needed.

4. Let's say you end up with 1,5 mil unique domains PR2 and above.

Now, that would be a quality list and trust me, high pr sites get crawled faster therefor your link might be indexed faster.

Google will always change algo, and for a fact nobody will ever know for sure 100% what works and what doesn't.

But somebody who is in the seo business for a long time and has experienced this numerous times will know that something works 100% because tested it on several occassions and know what to look for.

So for somebody who is in the game, once G changes algo, he will most probably know what to tune up or what to change.

Even if bots would be kept private, i don't think it would influence a lot, the game will still be the same.

Only way that would change is if G would hire people to rank sites personally which I hardly think it will happen.

Let's take the dupe content part which was exactly what panda was focused on.

Just find some articles related to your niche in different languages.....and i love this part.... with the help of G translate.... translate it into english, correct the sentences and run it through spell checker to make it as perfect as possible and voila...you have your own unique articles. And trust me, you can get well over 20 unique articles in 2 hours per day. so in 10 days you can have about 200...etc

spin those in order to use it in your link diversity and also while building backlinks to your backlinks

As said in my previous answer, do you remember the sandbox myth.

Well my strategy was not complicated, once i loose ranks or once i was in the sandbox, i have built only manual looking whitehat links and that's it. And the sites i reffered to earlier received a couple of hundreds per site only.


Imagine if I would like to knock out a competitor, I would just shoot sb blasts to the first ranked site all day long anchoring with kw that have nothing to do with his site, would google slap him for that?

No what would happen is, it would not take those links in consideration, it wouldjust ignore them and that's it.

This happened to me a while back. All of a sudden i had 60k links in my webmaster account which i didn't know where they came from. ! week back they disappeared and nothing serious happened.


Exactly what i said above



Play it safe and use these tools for finding and building ONLY high quality links to your sites



This is exactly one of the reasons why we will raise the price, by how much we don't know yet, we will know that at the right moment

and to quote HatisBlack, everything changes and all of us have to play along

Great post man!

Ofcourse, what you've explain in your last post makes ALOT of sense. That however still leaves a BIG PINK ELEPHANT in the room: Cost!

The jist of my post above has to do with the cost of marketing. At this moment, it cost $2 per K at decaptcher, and a little less at other captcha services.

This has over the years been seen as the "cost of business". What your software will effectively do (which, again, creates all the hype about it) is LOWER/ELIMINATE that particular cost of business for most marketers. Again, this is good, AND bad at the same time!

Let me ask you this: since most forums use some form of captcha, and alot now use receptcha, how much did that blast of 100k ended up costing you in captcha credits?

Ofcourse, you also have proxies to worry about as well, and if your getting good ones, those cost as well. And other quality bots cost money as well. BUT...

If you ended up with 40k forums that has recep installed, your spending an estimate 70 to 80 bucks or somewhere around that range (based on decap. credits, its less elsewhere). You would end up having to spend that EVERYTIME you wanted to do a blast.

I beleive this has kept alot of people from doing unnecessary blasts because it cost some form of money to do each time they wanted to press send.

How this connects to the point I was making is this: If you free up that money that was normally tied into other marketing cost, you also free up that money to afford things they wouldn't otherwise be able to afford EVEN IF IT JUST TO TEST OUT A SYSTEM.

If you can put two and two together, that means that you will have alot more people entering a playing field that was not available due to the cost of entering. That in turn creates alot more competition, even if those bots still cost money.

Without ongoing costs, its gonna cause an increase in whatever activity that was restricted DUE to that wall.

This is why I said that widespread use would create MORE spam. Simply because CS's main benefit is saving money. That why people are so excited about the recap updates.

But, as I pointed out above, it would also simultaneously lower the cost of playing, and in effect give people more room for margin and error. That creates a HUGE ripple effect if enough people do it. What was once taken up in captcha cost, can now go to other things.

It still, at this point right now, if I'm not mistaken, cost to send out blasts in decap. credits PER BLAST. The freeing up of that obligation would create a virtual free for all, since there is no consequence in time or money in sending multiple blasts. Plus, more money lefted for proxys, etc.

At least at first. Like I said, the market always corrects itself.

That's why I said that those blast will become worthless over time if enough people do it (I believe you even showed an example of a competitor trying to blast you out of the serps with 60k links overnight, which had no effect simply because of the frequency of its accurance over the net and speed of which those links appeared on your site.) Those links became worthless (lets use another word here, how about "less influential") overtime the more people tried to exploit that strategy regardless of intention. Which proves my point again.

To bring this a little closer to home, what would happen if say, two more softwares pop up in the BST section offering the same service as CS? Because of the increased compitition you now face, you would either have to

a. Lower you price
or
b. offering more or better services or more varied services

What would happen is it will end up costing you in either time or money, since you would either have to sacrifice your bottom line using an even LOWER price point or work THAT MUCH HARDER to provide better service then your competitors to justify higher prices. If recaptcha was easy to crack, the possibility of that happening would be VERY high (unless you create difficulty be making freinds in high places and creating red tape! )

Competition in ANYTHING changes how we do business. Its just the way it is.

But as you've said above, change is the only constant. That dosen't stop me from being a realist!