How do you find employees and how much do you pay them?

[Williams91]

Today I hired someone to write articles for my website, he wrote 5 articles in 3 hours, and 2 of them were written in the wrong language.

This is scary for me, I would like to get your advice on how I can find good employees

 

[Deleted member 1603965]

This is scary for me, I would like to get your advice on how I can find good employees

If you cannot find the right employees, try to find people who already have them and then outsource I guess? Better than having such horror stories of botched up projects right?

 

[Williams91]

And she wrote these articles using chat cpt: D She only asked for 5 articles in 3 hours and a fee higher than I expected at the end of the day.

 

[Williams91]

If you cannot find the right employees, try to find people who already have them and then outsource I guess? Better than having such horror stories of botched up projects right?

Yes what you say may make sense, but when you want to hire someone on a monthly basis it is really hard to find the right person, most of them lie about their qualifications, and work very slowly because they work from home.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

Yes what you say may make sense, but when you want to hire someone on a monthly basis it is really hard to find the right person, most of them lie about their qualifications, and work very slowly because they work from home.

That is work.

Seriously, hiring a good writer is going to take you trying a variety of them, usually.

I was real lucky when I hired writers and found a good one here and used them for all my sites back in the day.

Test, test and then test some more and you'll be as lucky as I was back then.

 

[Yoram]

It may be a little tricky to hire people on the internet. A few tips I think of:
1. Look for a VA on the forums. Somebody who's a credible user you can outsource the hiring process to.
2. Personally, I would look into job hiring websites, indeed.com or something like that example. Someone who went to school, that is trained to write articles.
3. A more creative method I could think of is socializing in general, or maybe on dating sites. It sounds weird but there's plenty of users to talk to, that may be potential writers for in your future.

Let me know what you think. They're just my ideas, after all. Hope something works out for you man!

Cheers

 

[Williams91]

That is work.

Seriously, hiring a good writer is going to take you trying a variety of them, usually.

I was real lucky when I hired writers and found a good one here and used them for all my sites back in the day.

Test, test and then test some more and you'll be as lucky as I was back then.

I am also thinking of proceeding this way.
I will test it for 1 day without paying any fee, I will also state this to the job candidate. At the end of the day, it will be understood who is good and who is bad.

However, the problem is that I have tested 3 people so far, all 3 of them use artificial intelligence applications such as Chatcpt.

Yes, some can enter articles quickly, but at the end of the day, this is AI content. I have not come across an employee who writes the article himself. The day I come across him, I will declare that day as my lucky day.

 

[Williams91]

It may be a little tricky to hire people on the internet. A few tips I think of:
1. Look for a VA on the forums. Somebody who's a credible user you can outsource the hiring process to.
2. Personally, I would look into job hiring websites, indeed.com or something like that example. Someone who went to school, that is trained to write articles.
3. A more creative method I could think of is socializing in general, or maybe on dating sites. It sounds weird but there's plenty of users to talk to, that may be potential writers for in your future.

Let me know what you think. They're just my ideas, after all. Hope something works out for you man!

Cheers

I'll check this tomorrow.

 

[taurin]

Today I hired someone to write articles for my website, he wrote 5 articles in 3 hours, and 2 of them were written in the wrong language.

This is scary for me, I would like to get your advice on how I can find good employees

hired a few smm managers before. most were useless. job posts were the problem

fixed the title: “need ruthless smm manager to hijack attention and boost reach"

set salary: $500–$700/month + bonus for growth

listed real tasks: daily posts, trend hunting, replies, weekly reports, meme-focused, pitch ideas

kept only real requirements: must know twitter/insta, canva basics, sharp hooks, always on time

test task every time: “3 post drafts + 5 story ideas for brand, by 9am"

offered $50 for referrals

as a result — no clowns. only serious candidates

 

[Rufai]

Try Upwork. Always make a test order before hiring

 

[Johnny Doe JD]

I use upwork and I pay a small fee for a test job. Actually I have someone managing all hirings on Upwork for me as it takes a lot of time and it's a job in itself.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

I am also thinking of proceeding this way.
I will test it for 1 day without paying any fee, I will also state this to the job candidate. At the end of the day, it will be understood who is good and who is bad.

However, the problem is that I have tested 3 people so far, all 3 of them use artificial intelligence applications such as Chatcpt.

Yes, some can enter articles quickly, but at the end of the day, this is AI content. I have not come across an employee who writes the article himself. The day I come across him, I will declare that day as my lucky day.

I'm not allowed to suggest any particular service as that would be unfair to those I do not recommend but I know there are some real good writers with BSTs here that offer unique human content, not the AI shortcut garbage that we see running amok.

 

[Williams91]

hired a few smm managers before. most were useless. job posts were the problem

fixed the title: “need ruthless smm manager to hijack attention and boost reach"

set salary: $500–$700/month + bonus for growth

listed real tasks: daily posts, trend hunting, replies, weekly reports, meme-focused, pitch ideas

kept only real requirements: must know twitter/insta, canva basics, sharp hooks, always on time

test task every time: “3 post drafts + 5 story ideas for brand, by 9am"

offered $50 for referrals

as a result — no clowns. only serious candidates

The method you mentioned makes perfect sense, thank you.

Try Upwork. Always make a test order before hiring

Thanks, I'll take a look at this tomorrow.

I use upwork and I pay a small fee for a test job. Actually I have someone managing all hirings on Upwork for me as it takes a lot of time and it's a job in itself.

I will look at Upwork tomorrow, now I pay my employees in BAM, frankly it is a better option for me compared to USD. However, Upwork is an international platform and the competition is very high, I think someone is seriously undercutting the prices. So I will look into it in detail, thank you.

I'm not allowed to suggest any particular service as that would be unfair to those I do not recommend but I know there are some real good writers with BSTs here that offer unique human content, not the AI shortcut garbage that we see running amok.

I understand that I will have to find these myself, I will research them, thank you.

 

[tezirth]

I recommend Upwork.......

 

[Nunit]

Here's my experience so far:

1. I tried hiring VAs from BHW marketplace. Not going to call anyone by names, but most VAs used AI to generate content even when there wasn't ChatGPT. There were various websites in AI like CopyAi and something else in 2021 and 2022 and the provider used 100s of free accounts to get the maximum juice for free without spending any money. I then asked them to setup Monitask - a screenshot software to monitor work. They went ahead and setup a fake computer and put a person to pretend like working for a few hours but then I realised they were pooling their staffs. Otherwise there wouldn't be a 4 hour inactive time. So even though I paid for a person for full month and continued to renew for several months, they gave me half-assed work. I tried a couple more providers by almost all of them were similar.

2. I hired an SEO agency for the same task. Asked to pay a couple of grands, which I did. Gave the same AI shit that VAs did for couple hundred dollars along with very bad links.

And then finally I decided to get my own team to do it. Honestly that's the best decision ever.

The VA company I found on BHW was hiring interns and girls in TIER 2 city in India for 50 USD to 200 USD per month whereas they charged my around $400 or $500 (IIRC) at that time but didn't even allocate full resource.

So I went the traditional way - posted on job platform, conducted more than 3 dozen interviews, selected like 5 worthy candidates with English degree and then conducted second round of interview. I told them that I expect content that is written without AI and if you're not upto it and if you can't work I will not hesitate to fire. I asked them to write content while I was on call with screen share. It took me a ton of time to hire the 1 person I wanted. Nearly spend an 100-150 hours.

Unlike the VAs, I did not try to leverage talents and paid $400 - the same I did for this VA company. If you don't know already, that's a very good starting salary in India similar to $80k/year in USA. And then I trained this person on SEO with my course collection. Gave them some of my techniques. The biggest part was, after hiring them, it took me more than 2-3 months to get them do what I want with training, meetings, work shadowing sessions etc. But I am glad I did that because now I have working process to hire an another person and train them.

Right now however, I have eased up on writing everything yourself and gave them a tiny AI tool that I built for creating blog posts. More work is getting done and I end up tuning my AI tool once in a while and updating it. But that was a business decision I took as I was confident that my AI tool was pretty good and sounded very human.

So this is kind of a big thing and investing in good people with money as well as energy is very much needed for gaining results.

 

[india]

There is a difference between an employee and a freelancer. It seems you hired a freelancer to write content for you. You try many freelancers, if you find any freelancer is doing a good job you can hire them as an employee. It takes many tries to find a good employee.

 

[reviewtrust]

Here's my experience so far:

1. I tried hiring VAs from BHW marketplace. Not going to call anyone by names, but most VAs used AI to generate content even when there wasn't ChatGPT. There were various websites in AI like CopyAi and something else in 2021 and 2022 and the provider used 100s of free accounts to get the maximum juice for free without spending any money. I then asked them to setup Monitask - a screenshot software to monitor work. They went ahead and setup a fake computer and put a person to pretend like working for a few hours but then I realised they were pooling their staffs. Otherwise there wouldn't be a 4 hour inactive time. So even though I paid for a person for full month and continued to renew for several months, they gave me half-assed work. I tried a couple more providers by almost all of them were similar.

2. I hired an SEO agency for the same task. Asked to pay a couple of grands, which I did. Gave the same AI shit that VAs did for couple hundred dollars along with very bad links.

And then finally I decided to get my own team to do it. Honestly that's the best decision ever.

The VA company I found on BHW was hiring interns and girls in TIER 2 city in India for 50 USD to 200 USD per month whereas they charged my around $400 or $500 (IIRC) at that time but didn't even allocate full resource.

So I went the traditional way - posted on job platform, conducted more than 3 dozen interviews, selected like 5 worthy candidates with English degree and then conducted second round of interview. I told them that I expect content that is written without AI and if you're not upto it and if you can't work I will not hesitate to fire. I asked them to write content while I was on call with screen share. It took me a ton of time to hire the 1 person I wanted. Nearly spend an 100-150 hours.

Unlike the VAs, I did not try to leverage talents and paid $400 - the same I did for this VA company. If you don't know already, that's a very good starting salary in India similar to $80k/year in USA. And then I trained this person on SEO with my course collection. Gave them some of my techniques. The biggest part was, after hiring them, it took me more than 2-3 months to get them do what I want with training, meetings, work shadowing sessions etc. But I am glad I did that because now I have working process to hire an another person and train them.

Right now however, I have eased up on writing everything yourself and gave them a tiny AI tool that I built for creating blog posts. More work is getting done and I end up tuning my AI tool once in a while and updating it. But that was a business decision I took as I was confident that my AI tool was pretty good and sounded very human.

So this is kind of a big thing and investing in good people with money as well as energy is very much needed for gaining results.

I'm surprised how hard it is to find good va's. I always thought it will take 5-10 hours, but i would've never thought it'll be a 150 hour process.

 

[Williams91]

Here's my experience so far:

1. I tried hiring VAs from BHW marketplace. Not going to call anyone by names, but most VAs used AI to generate content even when there wasn't ChatGPT. There were various websites in AI like CopyAi and something else in 2021 and 2022 and the provider used 100s of free accounts to get the maximum juice for free without spending any money. I then asked them to setup Monitask - a screenshot software to monitor work. They went ahead and setup a fake computer and put a person to pretend like working for a few hours but then I realised they were pooling their staffs. Otherwise there wouldn't be a 4 hour inactive time. So even though I paid for a person for full month and continued to renew for several months, they gave me half-assed work. I tried a couple more providers by almost all of them were similar.

2. I hired an SEO agency for the same task. Asked to pay a couple of grands, which I did. Gave the same AI shit that VAs did for couple hundred dollars along with very bad links.

And then finally I decided to get my own team to do it. Honestly that's the best decision ever.

The VA company I found on BHW was hiring interns and girls in TIER 2 city in India for 50 USD to 200 USD per month whereas they charged my around $400 or $500 (IIRC) at that time but didn't even allocate full resource.

So I went the traditional way - posted on job platform, conducted more than 3 dozen interviews, selected like 5 worthy candidates with English degree and then conducted second round of interview. I told them that I expect content that is written without AI and if you're not upto it and if you can't work I will not hesitate to fire. I asked them to write content while I was on call with screen share. It took me a ton of time to hire the 1 person I wanted. Nearly spend an 100-150 hours.

Unlike the VAs, I did not try to leverage talents and paid $400 - the same I did for this VA company. If you don't know already, that's a very good starting salary in India similar to $80k/year in USA. And then I trained this person on SEO with my course collection. Gave them some of my techniques. The biggest part was, after hiring them, it took me more than 2-3 months to get them do what I want with training, meetings, work shadowing sessions etc. But I am glad I did that because now I have working process to hire an another person and train them.

Right now however, I have eased up on writing everything yourself and gave them a tiny AI tool that I built for creating blog posts. More work is getting done and I end up tuning my AI tool once in a while and updating it. But that was a business decision I took as I was confident that my AI tool was pretty good and sounded very human.

So this is kind of a big thing and investing in good people with money as well as energy is very much needed for gaining results.

As far as I understand, Indians are exactly the kind of workers I am looking for. I am currently paying 800usd per month to a person who writes articles for me using CPT. This is a huge waste of money. I will look into the people you mentioned.

Thank you so much mate.

 

[LuchaBeast]

I test people out on Upwork