Bitcoin to reach $25m by 2050 - agree?

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Interesting article from VanEck about Bitcoin becoming a globally recognised store of value and medium of exchange for international transfers. They have predicted a conservative price of $25m by 2050.

In addition the article is very interesting as it outlines the fundimentals of the current monetary system, what factors dictate our perception of value when it comes to existing FIAT currencies and how Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are likely to over-take FIAT as a store of value and a medium of exchange (Things we are all well aware of on this forum but its still interesting to see the same thing put into a well-researched article and by a mainstream financial company).

https://www.vaneck.com/us/en/blogs/...-global-medium-of-exchange-and-reserve-asset/
 
If one $BTC = $25,000,000 in 2050

It means $1 today would be valued at 10 cents in 2050.

$25M is a lot of money me thinks
 
me believe in the base case and $2-5m is a better, more achievable figure, just my opinion.
 
In the article I could only notice the price of $2.9m. Either way, it seems impossible at the moment, but the same thing could be said about current prices back in 2010 when it was around 0.003 $.
 
If one $BTC = $25,000,000 in 2050

It means $1 today would be valued at 10 cents in 2050.

$25M is a lot of money me thinks
Well, I dont think that estimate is far off given inflation rates.
and solana will reach $1M.
That would be nice :)
WTF you smoking
I don't smoke.
In the article I could only notice the price of $2.9m. Either way, it seems impossible at the moment, but the same thing could be said about current prices back in 2010 when it was around 0.003 $.
My mistake, it is actually $2.9m the standard estimate where as the bullish estimate is $52m and the bearish estimate is $130k.
Its in the table here -
https://www.vaneck.com/us/en/blogs/...d-reserve-asset/#bitcoin-2050-price-scenarios

Personally I beleive in these statements being true -
  1. cryptocurrencies represent the digital transformation of the monetary system
  2. bitcoin is the best store of value out of all the available cryptocurrencies
  3. everyone from individuals to institutions to governments will hold bitcoin on their balance sheet
If those statements turn out to be correct in the long-term (Heading towards 2050), and given the fact that supply is limited to 21m coins, I beleive somewhere in the standard to bullish range is perfectly acceptable (if not still undervalued).

Anyway, all we can do is wait and see.
 
The question is, will I be alive at that time? :D
 
$2.9M seems more realistic...25M is exaggerated I guess
 
Interesting article from VanEck about Bitcoin becoming a globally recognised store of value and medium of exchange for international transfers. They have predicted a conservative price of $25m by 2050.

In addition the article is very interesting as it outlines the fundimentals of the current monetary system, what factors dictate our perception of value when it comes to existing FIAT currencies and how Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are likely to over-take FIAT as a store of value and a medium of exchange (Things we are all well aware of on this forum but its still interesting to see the same thing put into a well-researched article and by a mainstream financial company).

https://www.vaneck.com/us/en/blogs/...-global-medium-of-exchange-and-reserve-asset/


Let's do some math..

Official inflation figures are not actually reliable. $100 today was $186 25 years ago according to official figures, but COME ON. Really? haha.

In 2006 when I was working a regular job making £1200/mo after tax in the UK I was well off.

I had my own 1 bedroom apartment in a nice area, my own car, I ate out regularly and I shopped without looking at prices.

Today, £1200/mo in the UK, in any area is poverty.

I pay my parents gas/electricity bill, and it's £400/mo for a 2 bedroom semi-detached house.

£1200/mo and you need to share, shop cheap, would struggle to run a car unless you have a good old banger and a cheap mechanic, and wouldn't be able to eat out except for mcdonalds and other cheap places.

To live like I used to on £1200, you'd need about £3500/mo after tax. Housing is 4x MINIMUM more expensive. 5-6x in some areas. Food is 4x more expensive than 25 years. I don't even know what it was in 1998, but in 2006 I was paying £400/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment in a good area. You could get 1 bedroom apartments easily for £270-£350 in rougher areas. And that was 2006.. so my guess is 1998 you would easily be able to get a 1 bedroom apartment for £320/mo in a nice area. £180-£220 in a rough area.

Let me check the old street I was paying £400/mo for a 1 bed apartment. (Or at least near it)

We have a room for £750/mo. lol. A room..

1 bed flat for £1150/mo

2 bed flat for £1650. LOL.

Minimum wage today: £11.44.

Minimum wage in 2006: £5.35.

So 3x more expensive flats, only 2x more minimum wage, and that was the MINIMUM wage. I was making £1200/mo after tax. Similar job today is only 50% more. About £1800-£2000/mo after tax.

So realistically, overall we could safely say that the $(pound, euro or dollar, doesn't matter. They're all equally as bad), is worth about 4-5x less.

Call it 4x. $100 today was $400 in 1998.

So bitcoin is about $70k at 1.3 trillion market cap.

Multiply that by 15 and we get 19.5 trillion and a $1.05 million bitcoin.

20 trillion isn't unreasonable given where it's going. It's becoming a reserve currency.

Now multiply that by 4 and we get $4.2 million.

so a $4 to $5 million bitcoin at a 20 trillion market cap if inflation were the same in the next 25 years as in the past.

It's not, and things are WAY worse now. The value of the dollar has easily halved just from 2018 to today.

It's more likely that in 25 years the value of the dollar will be 10x weaker on the conservative side.

That would be $10.5 million per bitcoin in 25 years.

To hit $25 million it would need a market cap then of about $50 trillion, or for inflation to be significantly worse.

Very possible with or without extreme inflation.


I think it's far more likely people will be sitting in 2050 saying "Oh if only I knew about bitcoin back in 2024 I would be so rich now.. Oh well."
 
Let's do some math..

Official inflation figures are not actually reliable. $100 today was $186 25 years ago according to official figures, but COME ON. Really? haha.

In 2006 when I was working a regular job making £1200/mo after tax in the UK I was well off.

I had my own 1 bedroom apartment in a nice area, my own car, I ate out regularly and I shopped without looking at prices.

Today, £1200/mo in the UK, in any area is poverty.

I pay my parents gas/electricity bill, and it's £400/mo for a 2 bedroom semi-detached house.

£1200/mo and you need to share, shop cheap, would struggle to run a car unless you have a good old banger and a cheap mechanic, and wouldn't be able to eat out except for mcdonalds and other cheap places.

To live like I used to on £1200, you'd need about £3500/mo after tax. Housing is 4x MINIMUM more expensive. 5-6x in some areas. Food is 4x more expensive than 25 years. I don't even know what it was in 1998, but in 2006 I was paying £400/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment in a good area. You could get 1 bedroom apartments easily for £270-£350 in rougher areas. And that was 2006.. so my guess is 1998 you would easily be able to get a 1 bedroom apartment for £320/mo in a nice area. £180-£220 in a rough area.

Let me check the old street I was paying £400/mo for a 1 bed apartment. (Or at least near it)

We have a room for £750/mo. lol. A room..

1 bed flat for £1150/mo

2 bed flat for £1650. LOL.

Minimum wage today: £11.44.

Minimum wage in 2006: £5.35.

So 3x more expensive flats, only 2x more minimum wage, and that was the MINIMUM wage. I was making £1200/mo after tax. Similar job today is only 50% more. About £1800-£2000/mo after tax.

So realistically, overall we could safely say that the $(pound, euro or dollar, doesn't matter. They're all equally as bad), is worth about 4-5x less.

Call it 4x. $100 today was $400 in 1998.

So bitcoin is about $70k at 1.3 trillion market cap.

Multiply that by 15 and we get 19.5 trillion and a $1.05 million bitcoin.

20 trillion isn't unreasonable given where it's going. It's becoming a reserve currency.

Now multiply that by 4 and we get $4.2 million.

so a $4 to $5 million bitcoin at a 20 trillion market cap if inflation were the same in the next 25 years as in the past.

It's not, and things are WAY worse now. The value of the dollar has easily halved just from 2018 to today.

It's more likely that in 25 years the value of the dollar will be 10x weaker on the conservative side.

That would be $10.5 million per bitcoin in 25 years.

To hit $25 million it would need a market cap then of about $50 trillion, or for inflation to be significantly worse.

Very possible with or without extreme inflation.


I think it's far more likely people will be sitting in 2050 saying "Oh if only I knew about bitcoin back in 2024 I would be so rich now.. Oh well."
That makes sense but it's not very optimistic...dollar will lose value and $25M in 2024 and $25M in 2050 are very different numbers, maybe $25M in 2050 will be like $5M nowadays
 
That makes sense but it's not very optimistic...dollar will lose value and $25M in 2024 and $25M in 2050 are very different numbers, maybe $25M in 2050 will be like $5M nowadays

Of course, no one is saying it'll be like $25m in today's money, but.. If you hold $25m of cash today, that $25m is going to be worth say $5m in 25 years in spending power.

Even if you make a 10% return per year, it's barely going to hold value.

If you buy $25m of bitcoin today, that $25m of bitcoin will have a $ value of $2.5 billion if bitcoin reaches $25m per coin.

You understand now.. ? :-)
 
inflation percentages are most likely going up,
but even if it reachs 10% consistenly for the next 25 years, $650K+ will be worth for the same $60K as today,
that's still a x38+ ROI for the actual worth of the funds, pretty much as getting $2.2M+ for today, still a good sum of money for most people,

that's still a prediction, no one really know how things going to be,
everyone is responsable for the risks they take
 
a $25M bitcoin would only be obtainable with a Zimbabwe-level inflation meltdown in the US... Which would be followed by a total global economic collapse. We better all pray that doesn't happen. Your virtual coins on a screen will be the least of your concerns
 
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