JourneymanNY
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Sorry @Flipporama -- one more PM for the Frase seller please? Thank you in advance
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Here's my content creation tech stack & process for cranking out high-quality content quickly - What are your favorite tools and processes?
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Just a heads up: for anyone looking for aftermarket lifetime deals (for Frase, MarketMuse, or any other lifetime deals that have expired) you can search Facebook for "lifetime deals" and "lifetime software deals" etc. and there's 10+ groups dedicated to people buying, selling, and trading lifetime deals. If you go to these groups and post "Looking for [software name]" you'll likely get several replies with people's asking prices. Just do your due diligence to make sure they seem reliable - don't pay with BTC, always go with PayPal or some payment platform that offers some kind of protection. I've bought tons of deals over the past few years with no issues, most people in these groups are legit - just be cautious.
JimmiCrackCorn
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I'm wondering what GPT-3 you use? I have tried copysmith. Its great but only limited 400 words. Any good recommendations?
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I've been tweaking my workflow a bit but haven't finalized my newest process yet so haven't done a full write-up yet. But as of now there's only one GPT-3 tool that I've seen lets you do a "full" blog post in one go - that's Writesonic. I triple-stacked it when they released their article feature and it's pretty sweet so far (gives you 120 credits/mo, and takes about 5-8 credits for a full article depending on length). The results aren't perfect but it does save a lot of initial work.
For now my current workflow is:
Research to find target keyword.
Run target keyword through MarketMuse and PostPace to get extra keyword and sub-topic ideas.
Choose blog post headline (can use Nichesss - could also use Writesonic but they charge a credit, which seems a bit of a waste).
Generate intro paragraph with Nichesss (again, could use writesonic but costs a credit).
Feed Headline & Intro Paragraph to Writesonic to generate an outline.
Tweak outline to incorporate findings from PostPace & MM research to get a comprehensive outline to generate starting content with.
Generate first draft of the article with Writesonic.
Paste article into Headlime, start rewriting, using AI to help when stuck on adding additional content/topics (referencing PostPace & MarketMuse for more content to expand on). Also use Nichesss to save on some credits with Headlime.
Publish article, then run MarketMuse Optimize on the article for the target keyword, then use the MarketMuse editor to tweak the content for a higher score, then republish.
MarketMuse dropped some awesome updates this past week, and will be making Content Brief & First Draft Credits available for $25 per credit vs $100 for those who purchased lifetime licenses - so it now will cost $50 per auto-generated article vs $200 which is a much better deal. Still a bit pricey, but if I can get pillar post content (apparently it will generate a full 2000-5000 word highly optimized article that you can put minimal effort into tweaking), I will gladly pay that once or twice per month, post it on a site, create PDFs and slideshows with it, etc. for backlinks, and so on. Haven't tested the quality yet, but will be doing so after they finish updating their First Draft automation - which should next week I believe.
Flipporama
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I PMed everyone who requested the Frase seller,
Please note: I am not affiliated with him or anyone else, I just had a great transaction with that seller, + he is selling at cost (+ PP fees), others charge extra for trading. Maybe he got few codes from Frase founders or something.
Please, as @X said, do your due diligence, apply the codes to your account as soon as you send him payment.
Nice workflow man, I would like to add Grammarly and WordTune on top of those, I got Linguix but at the moment it's still can not be compared to Grammarly at any point, maybe in the future, so I am considering it at maybe a long term investment as their roadmap seems promising.
WordTune had a 40% discount for the lifetime deal FB group members that I missed unfortunately, their free version is good enough tough.
I decided finally to keep Market Muse after they confirmed that we can change domains in the upcoming update.
I got WriteSonic as a backup for Nichesss, at this moment I haven't tried it yet, maybe in my next blog post I will see their output.
Please note: I am not affiliated with him or anyone else, I just had a great transaction with that seller, + he is selling at cost (+ PP fees), others charge extra for trading. Maybe he got few codes from Frase founders or something.
Please, as @X said, do your due diligence, apply the codes to your account as soon as you send him payment.
Nice workflow man, I would like to add Grammarly and WordTune on top of those, I got Linguix but at the moment it's still can not be compared to Grammarly at any point, maybe in the future, so I am considering it at maybe a long term investment as their roadmap seems promising.
WordTune had a 40% discount for the lifetime deal FB group members that I missed unfortunately, their free version is good enough tough.
I decided finally to keep Market Muse after they confirmed that we can change domains in the upcoming update.
I got WriteSonic as a backup for Nichesss, at this moment I haven't tried it yet, maybe in my next blog post I will see their output.
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ItchyChaffer
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This is a great thread!
It has also encouraged me to put some proper organization into my content creation stack. Many of the tools I use are pretty similar. I also like to purchase lifetime deals, sometimes they aren't the finished products in the beginning but they do tend to get better.
Currently, I am using the following tools to help me crank out articles:
Keyword Research - Ubersuggest & Answer The Public.
To be honest I don't mind all the negativity towards Ubersuggest. I got the lifetime deal and the tool is definitely improving.
Content Brief - Frase.
I stacked 2 codes for Frase from AS and honestly, I have been really impressed with it. I
AI Content - Nichesss & Writesonic
Nichesss is just unbelievable value. Unlimited usage means I can keep going with something until I'm happy. No worrying needlessly about credits. It also produces some great content for blog intros and social media posts.
Writesonic
I am only beginning to use Writesonic and I maxed out the codes just for the article writer. And honestly, so far I'm probably on the fence as some of the results have been sketchy at best. Unfortunately, if you're not happy with the outputs I find that I can burn through the credits pretty fast. The credits renew at the end of the month so I will keep trying to see if it improves for me. Perhaps I need to work more on my inputs? Although, Nichesss often uses the same inputs and produces better content.
Market Muse
Again like somebody else mentioned, I was suffering from FOMO and purchased this before it ended on AS. It's early days but I have done some nice optimization of blog posts that I'd written on Frase - nothing too major yet but hopefully enough to help me rank better. I'm going to play around with MM this weekend in order to see if I will continue using it.
Grammarly
It's just useful for picking up mistakes in typing etc
Quillbot
Not an everyday tool, but it can be useful if time is of the essence. The results I get nearly always will need to be edited again to ensure a good flow.
And there we have it, my current setup. My aim is to be able to crank out around 5k to 6k of publishable words Mon - Fri.
I am also looking at using some dictation software to try and speed things up some more. I have found VoiceIn and it seems to be pretty accurate. I'm a slow typer so if this goes well I should hopefully be able to turbo speed my content creation
In the meantime, I will keep fine-tuning and let you know what works best for me.....
It has also encouraged me to put some proper organization into my content creation stack. Many of the tools I use are pretty similar. I also like to purchase lifetime deals, sometimes they aren't the finished products in the beginning but they do tend to get better.
Currently, I am using the following tools to help me crank out articles:
Keyword Research - Ubersuggest & Answer The Public.
To be honest I don't mind all the negativity towards Ubersuggest. I got the lifetime deal and the tool is definitely improving.
Content Brief - Frase.
I stacked 2 codes for Frase from AS and honestly, I have been really impressed with it. I
AI Content - Nichesss & Writesonic
Nichesss is just unbelievable value. Unlimited usage means I can keep going with something until I'm happy. No worrying needlessly about credits. It also produces some great content for blog intros and social media posts.
Writesonic
I am only beginning to use Writesonic and I maxed out the codes just for the article writer. And honestly, so far I'm probably on the fence as some of the results have been sketchy at best. Unfortunately, if you're not happy with the outputs I find that I can burn through the credits pretty fast. The credits renew at the end of the month so I will keep trying to see if it improves for me. Perhaps I need to work more on my inputs? Although, Nichesss often uses the same inputs and produces better content.
Market Muse
Again like somebody else mentioned, I was suffering from FOMO and purchased this before it ended on AS. It's early days but I have done some nice optimization of blog posts that I'd written on Frase - nothing too major yet but hopefully enough to help me rank better. I'm going to play around with MM this weekend in order to see if I will continue using it.
Grammarly
It's just useful for picking up mistakes in typing etc
Quillbot
Not an everyday tool, but it can be useful if time is of the essence. The results I get nearly always will need to be edited again to ensure a good flow.
And there we have it, my current setup. My aim is to be able to crank out around 5k to 6k of publishable words Mon - Fri.
I am also looking at using some dictation software to try and speed things up some more. I have found VoiceIn and it seems to be pretty accurate. I'm a slow typer so if this goes well I should hopefully be able to turbo speed my content creation
In the meantime, I will keep fine-tuning and let you know what works best for me.....
paraztos
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I don't know what the dev on Nichesss is doing right but somehow his tool seems to give better results than others. Maybe it's just an illusion because of the infinite 'reroll' so you always end up with something great.
ItchyChaffer
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- Oct 22, 2019
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He's definitely doing something right. It's a good point you make about the infinite 'rerolls' and I hadn't thought of it from that perspective.
On balance, however, I still think that Nichesss output requires less editing than say Writesonic.
I think that over the next few months we'll probably see a few more providers offering AI content using GPT-3. Hopefully, by getting the lifetime deals early we'll reap the benefits as these products improve over time.
keropikero
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Agreed. My luck on Nichesss isn't consistent. Sometimes I can get something I like quickly. But sometimes I have to re-run a dozen times to get something half decent. Obviously, it's the particular subject in question.
When you don't have a credit deducted every time, then I am more tolerant with multiple runs.
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Good call! I did forget to mention I run my articles through Quetext to check for duplicate content. I skipped linguix but I keep hearing good things about WordTune - I will check it out this weekend as well - I appreciate the suggestion! Yeah MarketMuse has been making big moves, I still haven't messed with the Connect module but now that they're going to be allowing unlimited domains I think it's going to be another gamechanger. As for WriteSonic - the more specific you can be with the section outline (if generating a full article), the better your returned first draft will be. You will still need to adjust and remove some occasional nonsense depending on your topic.
This is a great thread!
It has also encouraged me to put some proper organization into my content creation stack. Many of the tools I use are pretty similar. I also like to purchase lifetime deals, sometimes they aren't the finished products in the beginning but they do tend to get better.
Currently, I am using the following tools to help me crank out articles:
Keyword Research - Ubersuggest & Answer The Public.
To be honest I don't mind all the negativity towards Ubersuggest. I got the lifetime deal and the tool is definitely improving.
Content Brief - Frase.
I stacked 2 codes for Frase from AS and honestly, I have been really impressed with it. I
AI Content - Nichesss & Writesonic
Nichesss is just unbelievable value. Unlimited usage means I can keep going with something until I'm happy. No worrying needlessly about credits. It also produces some great content for blog intros and social media posts.
Writesonic
I am only beginning to use Writesonic and I maxed out the codes just for the article writer. And honestly, so far I'm probably on the fence as some of the results have been sketchy at best. Unfortunately, if you're not happy with the outputs I find that I can burn through the credits pretty fast. The credits renew at the end of the month so I will keep trying to see if it improves for me. Perhaps I need to work more on my inputs? Although, Nichesss often uses the same inputs and produces better content.
Market Muse
Again like somebody else mentioned, I was suffering from FOMO and purchased this before it ended on AS. It's early days but I have done some nice optimization of blog posts that I'd written on Frase - nothing too major yet but hopefully enough to help me rank better. I'm going to play around with MM this weekend in order to see if I will continue using it.
Grammarly
It's just useful for picking up mistakes in typing etc
Quillbot
Not an everyday tool, but it can be useful if time is of the essence. The results I get nearly always will need to be edited again to ensure a good flow.
And there we have it, my current setup. My aim is to be able to crank out around 5k to 6k of publishable words Mon - Fri.
I am also looking at using some dictation software to try and speed things up some more. I have found VoiceIn and it seems to be pretty accurate. I'm a slow typer so if this goes well I should hopefully be able to turbo speed my content creation
In the meantime, I will keep fine-tuning and let you know what works best for me.....
Glad the thread inspired you! I agree on the UberSuggest hate - the numbers aren't the best but they've been more than enough to help me choose target keywords and give plenty of suggestions for other ideas/topics. I like KeySearch a bit more, but both are great.
Nichesss is insane value, and he just added like 17 tools so I'm going to be messing with them over the weekend. The unlimited credits is amazing - the first run isn't always ideal for me, but after 3-4 runs I can usually get a solid result, or can piece together pieces of different results into a great paragraph.
Writesonic can return some sketchy results, but i found the more descriptive for each article section, the better the results. Still not perfect, but it can save me an extra hour or so per article on average, even if i delete and rewrite half of it.
Yeah I think the dev has nailed down the prompts he sends to the AI with our input, it really does return great content 70%+ of the time.
Agreed, sometimes the first result isn't great, but after a few goes it will usually spit out something usable, or at least enough variants to paste a few results together and edit for a clean and useful paragraph.
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Happy you've found it useful! I'm not sure how well it works with other languages but apparently GPT-3 is multilingual so it would be worth experimenting. I think nichesss has a free trial (not 100% sure) but if they don't you can buy through appsumo (it's a good deal) and they have a 60-day refund policy so it would be worth experimenting. Same for other similar tools, I would highly recommend trials - and if you do get a chance to test please report back for other members!
kaudo
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You guys are awesome in what you do. I have majority of the tools from the same source as you (appsumo), I often buy their lifetime offers. I have copysmith, nichess, labrika, wordtune, frase (free plan only, somehow I missed their lifetime offer)... out of all of them, I really use only frase and nichess. My general strategy is to explore the topic with frase to find out as many questions as possible, then feed them one by one to nichess FAQ module. Then I just curate the outcome and that is all. Shame on me I missed the lifetime deal with frase, it is a sweet tool. I also have labrika, but I did not know it has any writing assistance module, I have to check it again.
paraztos
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Love that they have all the text-based tools, and randomly threw in there a dog breed predictor
You yourself has made a great free tool with 'smartial'
Flipporama
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WhaTheFak
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@Flipporama Could you PM me the Fraser seller info? Would appreciate it I think I'm gonna choose it over MM.
I think I'm gonna choose it over MM.