Here's my content creation tech stack & process for cranking out high-quality content quickly - What are your favorite tools and processes?

This AI writing stuff triggers my FOMO like nothing else. One of them will be the next big thing but I don't know which and I can't just stack them all...

becks14 said:

I think MarketMuse pretty covers what Frase can do right? Probably even does a much better job.

The only thing I heard people rate Frase higher than MarketMuse is its ability to find the questions related to the keyword. Not sure though as I have never used Frase

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I think so as well, MarketMuse is a true beast. I don't use either of them for question-based keywords, as there are other tools that do a much more thorough job. But yeah so far I haven't been feeling like I'm missing out when it comes to Frase.

OlafRustle said:

This AI writing stuff triggers my FOMO like nothing else. One of them will be the next big thing but I don't know which and I can't just stack them all...

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I definitely feel your pain. If you can swing the price for MarketMuse triple stack that's the one I would grab asap - it actually doesn't really help in the way of AI writing but it's easily the most valuable deal around right now (I want to say the triple stack would be the equivalent of paying about $350/mo for a custom plan of the software). As for actual content writing, you can't go wrong with Nichesss ($59 one-time, unlimited) and Writesonic (also $59). I'd say headlime but it's a monthly recurring now.

But honestly, I believe 2021 is going to be the year of AI content - they're all using GPT-3 so the quality will be fairly similar - so if you don't want to throw a bunch of money at the available tools, I'm sure there will be more popping up every few months. I will update this thread as I see new ones and test them as well. But I don't think you can go wrong with grabbing any single one right now, and adding more tools over time.

X said:

I think so as well, MarketMuse is a true beast. I don't use either of them for question-based keywords, as there are other tools that do a much more thorough job. But yeah so far I haven't been feeling like I'm missing out when it comes to Frase.



I definitely feel your pain. If you can swing the price for MarketMuse triple stack that's the one I would grab asap - it actually doesn't really help in the way of AI writing but it's easily the most valuable deal around right now (I want to say the triple stack would be the equivalent of paying about $350/mo for a custom plan of the software). As for actual content writing, you can't go wrong with Nichesss ($59 one-time, unlimited) and Writesonic (also $59). I'd say headlime but it's a monthly recurring now.

But honestly, I believe 2021 is going to be the year of AI content - they're all using GPT-3 so the quality will be fairly similar - so if you don't want to throw a bunch of money at the available tools, I'm sure there will be more popping up every few months. I will update this thread as I see new ones and test them as well. But I don't think you can go wrong with grabbing any single one right now, and adding more tools over time.

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Let us know if you have more feedback on Writesonic please. I probably don't need Nichesss for blog idea. Writesonic, on the other hand, will come handy especially if I have writer block haha.

By the way, does it cost one credit per AI article for Writesonic?

Thanks X , this is a really interesting topic.

May I ask which specific plan are you using for each tools and your stack list at the moment?

Example:
+ Content
- Copysmith : 59$ for blog posts
- Nicheless : ... for articles ..

If it’s not ok for public , may I send you a pm to discuss further

becks14 said:

Let us know if you have more feedback on Writesonic please. I probably don't need Nichesss for blog idea. Writesonic, on the other hand, will come handy especially if I have writer block haha.

By the way, does it cost one credit per AI article for Writesonic?

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I will definitely update when Writesonic adds their blog creation module, as that's what I'm waiting on. I envision using it to generate a base article, then using the outline created in Postpace to fill in the gaps to expand on the article by using a combination of manual writing (minimal) and assisted writing with Nichess (using their Blog Post intro generator to create a solid paragraph to build on about a sub-topic in the article) and Headlime (though my recurring credits are minimal with the lifetime account, and additional credits cost so I try to use it sparingly most of the time).

Apparently Writesonic will be releasing their article summary feature for no credits soon for AppSumo users, which is very exciting. Could be an easy way to generate a lot of content quickly. As for credit cost per task in Writesonic, they don't have what credit amount it will cost per blog post listed yet, so I will update on my thoughts about that when we know more.

louisalviss said:

Thanks X , this is a really interesting topic.

May I ask which specific plan are you using for each tools and your stack list at the moment?

Example:
+ Content
- Copysmith : 59$ for blog posts
- Nicheless : ... for articles ..

If it’s not ok for public , may I send you a pm to discuss further

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Sure, most of my plans are lifetime deals so I'll try to match the tool with its cost to the closest "public" plans. The first number next to each tool is what I paid for lifetime, then a quick summary of what my lifetime plan includes vs similar monthly plan.

Keyword & Competition Research

Keysearch - $127 - Mapped to the Starter Plan ($17/mo) - 200 research credits/day. Fantastic research tool, lots of features.

Ubersuggest - $120(ish) - Mapped to the Individual Plan ($29/mo in the US, but the price varies widely based on geolocation). Solid tool for preliminary research and competitor analysis. A lot of people here hate on Neil, but I have a feeling he's going to keep improving the tool - it's already improved since purchased.

Morningscore - $120 - Mapped to a hybrid between the Lite ($49/mo) and Business ($79/mo) plans - can track 11 websites/competitors, but I just swap them in and out for keyword and backlink research/analysis. I would say the plan would be about $65/mo.


Outlining & Content Research

Postpace - $59 - Close to the basic plan ($17/mo) but only 15 topic reports per month, where the Basic monthly offers 20. Thinking about stacking another code for $59 more, which would up it to the $27/mo Growth plan (30 topic reports per month).

MaketMuse - $210 - Between the Plus & Pro Plan - 70 queries per month (Plus has 50/mo, Pro has 100/mo). Plus is $179/mo, Pro is $499/mo, so I'd say it's between $300-$350/mo in value for an equivalent monthy plan. My purchase only came with 10 lifetime "credits" which allows you to generate content briefs and content, but those are irrelevant to me (as even their Pro plan only gives 12 credits a year, and you have to pay $100 per extra credit for those reports - the other tools in my stack do this type of work without the crazy cost).

Content Writing

Headlime - $70 - Lots of features unlocked for unlimited, but the AI writing winds up costing around a dollar or so per article (depending how much I use other tools and manually write to supplement the AI output). They no longer offer a lifetime deal, but their monthly plan is $59/mo for 1500 credits monthly, which would allow you to create 25-50 blog posts/mo depending how heavily you use the AI writing.

Nichesss - $59 - Unlimited (Shows $99/mo on the website, but who knows what the final amount for unlimited monthly will run after their lifetime deal is over).

Writesonic - $59 - 40 credits/mo - Close to the Starter Plan (50 credits a month at $29/mo), but a solid hybrid as they added Article Summaries and will allow the Blog Post feature as well. Still waiting to figure out how many credits blog posts will run. I would Guess it's worth $39-$49/mo or so, between the Starter and Professional plan ($99/mo)


I still need to mess with SurferSEO more as it does have a lot of promise (and a ton of raving fans).


I hope that was the type of information you were looking for - if not please let me know and I'll refine/update my response.

X said:

That's a solid stack, I was eyeing Labrika but hadn't pulled the trigger on buying - how does it fit into your process?

I'm not a huge fan of Blogely, but if they add GPT-3 and provide decent credit usage for lifetime holders I may use it more. I was also looking at picking up Frase lifetime on the black market, but I can't decide if I need it because I have Postpace. I haven't used Frase so I can't vouch for how well it works, but I've seen several people who have tried both and said Postpace is leaps and bounds better for content outlining/briefing, and they're supposed to be releasing a content editor soon as well so I'm looking forward to that.

Copysmith is decent, but I think Writesonic is better in terms of output quality - plus their limits are more generous for lifetime deals. I'm still waiting to see how many credits full blog posts will cost and waiting for stacking before I burn through too many credits messing around (as they're supposed to be releasing soon - if they haven't released it by the time the credits will renew I'm going to dive in and wait for the refresh). I'm also considering using Writesonics article summary feature once a week or so to summarize 5 or so blog posts from other websites and use it as curation to beef up my sites' overall content and use one of the tools paragraph generators to generate an intro and outro paragraph.

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What I like about Labrika is that it includes rank tracking, and one of the best SEO audits I've seen (technical, user behavior data, essential elements, etc..), I stacked two codes for 1000 credits/mo for rank tracking + 20.000 credits/mo for page analysis. and you can add unlimited websites + white-labeled reports + a promising roadmap... In addition to all these, their content optimization tool is decent, they are not as sophisticated as Market Muse, but they are a great addition, covering titles, H1, meta description, how your competitors are using specific words, a giant table of their H2 H3 H4 images ALT text, TF*IDF, latent semantic, and many other features.. It's quite a decent tool. You can create a free account or just stack one code for testing.

Yes, the founder of Blogely mentioned Seo heatmaps and GPT-3 in his comment, that's why I considered his product. You can read the whole conversation in this post. I am also keeping an eye on Writesonic. Kindly keep this thread updated in case you notice an update on their AS page, I will do the same.

Flipporama said:

What I like about Labrika is that it includes rank tracking, and one of the best SEO audits I've seen (technical, user behavior data, essential elements, etc..), I stacked two codes for 1000 credits/mo for rank tracking + 20.000 credits/mo for page analysis. and you can add unlimited websites + white-labeled reports + a promising roadmap... In addition to all these, their content optimization tool is decent, they are not as sophisticated as Market Muse, but they are a great addition, covering titles, H1, meta description, how your competitors are using specific words, a giant table of their H2 H3 H4 images ALT text, TF*IDF, latent semantic, and many other features.. It's quite a decent tool. You can create a free account or just stack one code for testing.

Yes, the founder of Blogely mentioned Seo heatmaps and GPT-3 in his comment, that's why I considered his product. You can read the whole conversation in this post. I am also keeping an eye on Writesonic. Kindly keep this thread updated in case you notice an update on their AS page, I will do the same.

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Nice, Labrika sounds like a solid investment - I may purchase for the rank tracking alone. I should have mentioned that I use Website Auditor for some technical analysis, and I also use a tool similar to Cora for more in-depth analysis of top competitor factors.

That Blogely update sounds promising, I'm excited to see what they can do with it. Hopefully they will give LTD holders some decent limits to work with--if so I may stack. I will definitely update on Writesonic as I see any details released, and I appreciate your input as well--looking forward to hearing more from you! Thanks for the input so far

Ok I will stack a code on Writesonic and try it out. Like you said I can always refund it within 60 days so nothing to lose

becks14 said:

Ok I will stack a code on Writesonic and try it out. Like you said I can always refund it within 60 days so nothing to lose

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Nice! Let me know your thoughts when you get to try it out I'm about to test copying and pasting some description info from amazon products into it to see if I can get unique product summaries for review blog posts. If I can get that, article summaries (for curation posts), and a decent number of unique blog articles (as starting points to expand on) I'll definitely be stacking.

You have to keep in mind if you do not work with GPT3 , all these tools use it without anything truly custom to them.

- GPT3 works based on the prompts you give it, so they may just use different prompts to accomplish their output (have not tested any of them), but they are not unique since its not their AI model, and none of them seem to have added anything custom as in their own NLP etc...

OpenAI is working on fine-tuning ability for GPT3 and then it will likely get very interesting. Super basic prompt example:

theRevolt said:

You have to keep in mind if you do not work with GPT3 , all these tools use it without anything truly custom to them.

- GPT3 works based on the prompts you give it, so they may just use different prompts to accomplish their output (have not tested any of them), but they are not unique since its not their AI model, and none of them seem to have added anything custom as in their own NLP etc...

OpenAI is working on fine-tuning ability for GPT3 and then it will likely get very interesting. Super basic prompt example:

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I'm fairly sure they submit different prompts for different modules across different tools, as I've used similar keywords and sentences to generate content and get wildly different results. In fact, I just analyzed the last article I did that was about 80% AI-written, with me adjusting a small amount of the returned content and adding in some guiding sentences for more content to be returned and added to the post. There was a 100% plagiarism match for the content... from one source: my blog post.



So I'm more than happy with the results of these tools. I'm sure as these tools grow in popularity there might be some duplicate content issues, but as of now I'm having no issues. I do look forward to seeing the GPT-3 team improve results, but by then I fear a lot of these tools won't have lifetime deals and will likely cost more for new plans--so I think it's better to grab licenses for some of these solid tools now (I'm sure many more will be released, but I don't want to wait and miss out on some of the tools that already have a solid foundation and will continue improving).

Do you guys use Copyscape or Quetext for checking plagiarism? So far I have only used Grammarly which doesn't look reliable.

becks14 said:

Do you guys use Copyscape or Quetext for checking plagiarism? So far I have only used Grammarly which doesn't look reliable.

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Quetext, as it is head and shoulders better than Crappyscape.

Muse I looked at but the additional credits are a joke at those prices.

I got the 3 user licence for Fraze though and hopefully this weekend will have a play with it.

Surfer we use and my Mrs has clients who just order Surfer content from her.

MisterF said:

Quetext, as it is head and shoulders better than Crappyscape.

Muse I looked at but the additional credits are a joke at those prices.

I got the 3 user licence for Fraze though and hopefully this weekend will have a play with it.

Surfer we use and my Mrs has clients who just order Surfer content from her.

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Ok I will subscribe Quetext Pro then

I also stacked 3 codes on MarketMuse but only used it for optimisation.

Sometimes I do think there are overlap in functionality between Surfer and Muse. Perhaps I haven't really given time playing with Muse enough...

becks14 said:

Do you guys use Copyscape or Quetext for checking plagiarism? So far I have only used Grammarly which doesn't look reliable.

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MisterF said:

Quetext, as it is head and shoulders better than Crappyscape.

Muse I looked at but the additional credits are a joke at those prices.

I got the 3 user licence for Fraze though and hopefully this weekend will have a play with it.

Surfer we use and my Mrs has clients who just order Surfer content from her.

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+1 for Quetext - it's great.

As for Muse, agreed on the credits - I will probably never use them. I mean I want to, but they just seem so limited and expensive any use seems like a waste lol. Not sure why they're so proud of them to charge $100 per credit, it's crazy to me. And even when you're paying $6000/yr for their Pro plan, they only give you 12 credits a year... I'm baffled by that--but their other modules are where they shine, and fortunately they reset each month. Frase does seem to be a decent alternative though. Let me know your thoughts if you get to dig in with it!

Your recommendation for nichesss is an amazing find! Never heard of it, though all the great comments from you and the internet prompted me for the lifetime purchase.

Loving the tool and the fact that you get unlimited use for lifetime sub.

paraztos said:

Your recommendation for nichesss is an amazing find! Never heard of it, though all the great comments from you and the internet prompted me for the lifetime purchase.

Loving the tool and the fact that you get unlimited use for lifetime sub.

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Glad you like it! The developer is super responsive, it's been impressive to see it growing so far. Check out the roadmap here https://nichesss.upvoty.com/ if you haven't already, and you can vote on features and such.

Well, I am almost sold by Blogely.. Found a guy selling Frase, but still wondering if I will really get any value from it as I have Matket Muse, and it seems that Frase does almost the same. But MM is superior in topic coverage. Not interested to have duplicate functionalities in my stack.
I am interested in the way Blogely organizes writing. Not sure how Frase handles this.

Flipporama said:

Well, I am almost sold by Blogely.. Found a guy selling Frase, but still wondering if I will really get any value from it as I have Matket Muse, and it seems that Frase does almost the same. But MM is superior in topic coverage. Not interested to have duplicate functionalities in my stack.
I am interested in the way Blogely organizes writing. Not sure how Frase handles this.

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Nice, I really need to dig into Blogely more here soon - I will probably just wait until the new features are rolled out to mess more with it. And I feel the same way about Frase, a lot of people praise it but I was looking at an article on MM vs Frase (written by the MM team, so probably biased--took it with a grain of salt), and if they do things the way they say they do it's a much more impressive approach to ensure maximum coverage/authority for content. So I'm pretty torn on whether buying Frase on the black market would be worth the inflated cost, and if it would just wind up being overlap.

Anyone uses 'inkforall'? Just stumbled upon it. It's free and have pretty similar (although not as deep in the free plan) functions as the Labrika editor. Priced plan starts at 10 with 5 PRO articles / month.

I've downloaded the it and will be adding to my content creation stack as it's free. Copied over a Yoas SEO Free Optimized Article and it scored around 80% for it. Looks good, as a free tool. Not THAT happy that it's a separate download and not onside editor (although there is WP plugin I try not to clutter my site with plugins)