[se900se] Hooligan Media Scam Report

[Deleted member 813988]

So what I understand from your amazing arrogance:

Being open and direct is different from being arrogant. I understand you're unhappy about the situation, it's not pleasant for anyine, including buyer partners.

I am a liar because I catch you make false affirmations more than once.
I manipulate Google/Bing search result, basically, I change rankings for 3 months ago, that's next level SEO, ranking in the past (I need a Nobel prize for that)

Never said you a liar, I said ad networks don't value GA stats much, as it's easily manipulated, that's a fact. SW stats (that are valued higher than GA) didn't show the numbers provided in GA pictures.

You refuse to show proofs because you don`t have any.

I do not have any proofs except SW stats which I showed above. It is not me who is claiming you did fraud, but our buying partners who advertised on your site. Invalid traffic activity is what was told about your traffic, you shared that email yourself above. I don't need to provide any proof, nor I needed to involve in all of this, I could've sided with advertiser and I legally can do that, according to the ToS you agreed. Instead, I suggested you can provide some info that we can use as a response and maybe there is a chance to resolve, at least try.

You say @Veil123 manipulate BHW because of his position, BHW is also manipulated now.

He is using his mod status as a tool, I have nothing to do with Veil, but with you.
I have PMs, Emails, and Your account as a proof that we have worked with you as a only site owner, and not veil.

You have the right to not answer the shitlist just because you want to. You MUST answer, it's a difference.

I don't have that right, the rules clearly state I have 48 hours to respond and I responded to each and every message in a timely manner.

You blame us because we share Google Analytics as per your request, after 3 weeks, that's the only reason you delay the inevitable, but you never asked for more.

I didn't blame you, but I am open to the situation where they could be fraud on your end, its a possibility.

We are the only ones who claim about your network when actually people send me a PM saying very bad words about you and your network.

The rules of ShitList do not prevent other users who has issues with us from commenting here, yet, nobody except you posted anything here. If there is really someone in your messages, please share those PMs and ask them to comment here, I am happy to respond all claims openly, I have nothing to hide.

You don`t have time to check our site and to complain to the networks they ban us for no reason = you are a basic small reseller; more than that, you basically take no responsibility for anything. What exactly you do if you don't mind?

I don't think you understand. The only reason I asked for traffic data so we can complain to the network on your behalf. We're the, who is trying to help you, while you trying to smear.

You find Similar Web god of research, above that, does not exists other tools, that define all your skills about this field in 1 sentence.

I don't, it's industry standard. Ad networks have no options to deal with GA, it could be manipulated, using GA increases onboarding time, Alexa Rank doesn't provide any realistic data on the traffic, SEMRush doesn't have full data on traffic. SW is something that all networks use as a source to evaluate traffic.

Let me explain to you briefly: Similar Web, Alexa, Ahrefs, SEMRush, or whatever tool you name it does the following:

• Crawl google/bing/others results
• Estimate the volume/clicks of keywords in the top 100
• With a simple math formula made differently by that specific site, it shows X or Y site have Z number of UV by their rankings on that specific crawl time.
• Estimate roughly A site has B visits a month.

Rocket science, ah?

Besides that, if your segment of the niche it's not often crawled, it shows whatever data crawls in the past. That does not reflect the reality for a site which are favored by Google/Bing from day 1 to day 2, assuming we rank for mass keywords, not just a few, our traffic grows from 0 to 4000 UV a day in just a couple of days. I invite you to check the top 5 ones in the market and tell me if they show reality.

I appreciate your explanation, but that's not how SW work.
SW report wasn't used, it wouldn't support but will do the opposite as it shows a very different number.

In the end, you can check your keywords in search engines by any basic keyword tracking.
I hope you understand that now once for all because coaching it's not allowed on BHW.

Coaching?

I finally understand who I am dealing with here and I have nothing else to say, speaking with someone who doesn't know basics about a random tool but trying to talk about Ad fraud systems. You can even swear to me if you want to, you are just funny to me at this point.

As someone with a degree in law I prefer to operate with facts, not words. The facts are: you received notification from the network that was passed to you; you were requested for some traffic data so we can provide it as a response; you provided us only with GA data tha was passed; we're waiting for the reponse with hope it would be positive. Those are the only facts at the moment.

Please don't put words in my mouth saying I am done with you, I am not until you don't prove to @Society Girl we are wrong.

I never said I am done with you, instead I am trying to help, attending every message of yours. It is not me who is putting words in the mouth, you changing the narrative to make it look like it was me who had fraudulent activity on my site, but I am not a publisher, you are.

 

[Veil123]

@se900se, even if @Meddie opened the shitlist, I would have replied anyway as we are both owners. This is the second time you call us liars:



^ This is from my Gmail. Or did I manipulate Gmail as well?

And as we can't have two accounts on your network for 1 website, @Meddie created the account. And as of day 1 we have been both logging into the account. Check your IP logs

And oh, the AD tag scripts GIVES YOU DIRECT ACCESS to EVERY SINGLE visitor that see the AD. Do you have the IPs/countries/user agents/OS of our visitors? Do you have the 'time on site' info? Do YOU HAVE any TOOLS on your server to check for ANY data of our visitors?

We brought traffic, it is clean and organic traffic. I can send you reports of 5 different platforms. If you can't prove the opposite, you need to pay us. End of story.

Kind regards

 

[Deleted member 813988]

@se900se, even if @Meddie opened the shitlist, I would have replied anyway as we are both owners. This is the second time you call us liars:

Stop doing this, I never said the you are liars, please check the whole thread, every message.
Your personal agreements are not public, I don't know about them, I don't read minds, nor check PMs.

In my PM's Meddie said he is the owner of the site, it is his email on the dashboard, it is his name on the payment details, I never spoke with you until you got the link to Slack from meddie. I have screenshots of all the details to prove it's meddie's account, I can share it with admins if required.

I am not preventing you from messaging, I said that legally, I work with Meddie, it is his name all everywhere, not yours.

And as we can't have two accounts on your network for 1 website, @Meddie created the account. And as of day 1 we have been both logging into the account. Check your IP logs

That is correct. The account belongs to the person who's details on the account.
We don't track nor check if the login details were share with anyone esle.

And oh, the AD tag scripts GIVES YOU DIRECT ACCESS to EVERY SINGLE visitors that see the AD. Do you have the IPs/country/user agent/OS of our visitors? Do you have the 'time on site' info? Do YOU HAVE any TOOLS on your server to check for ANY data of our visitors?

You are confusing with DMP (data management platform) that is collecting and storing user data, but this is not how the ad server works. Ad server is also different from the server that you use to host sites. It doesn't give direct or any access to the publisher site, nor the visitors. Ad server passes user information necessary to pull the correct ad, but this information is not being stored. Yes, the data such impressions, potential revenue, and rate is being stored, but it doesn't come from you, but the buying partners.

We are not ad filter company, we are not data management company either. We don't check sites for fraudulent activity, buying partners report on it.

Regards

 

[Veil123]

As someone with a degree in law I prefer to operate with facts, not words. The facts are: you received notification from the network that was passed to you; you were requested for some traffic data so we can provide it as a response; you provided us only with GA data tha was passed; we're waiting for the reponse with hope it would be positive. Those are the only facts at the moment.

As someone without a law degree, I too prefer to operate with facts.

1. YOU received notification that you then passed on to US. (A fact is not a fact without correct wording)
2. We were asked for some traffic data, not specific traffic data, we showed you GA

They are not the only facts, though.

3. When we showed you GA, you did not ask for anything else.
4. We had 356,362 users with 415,833 sessions
5. 87% organic, 5% direct, 8% other
6. We have multiple ways to PROVE numbers 4 & 5
7. You say that 95% of our traffic is fake/invalid (with ZERO PROOF)
8. You say that they are your partners/networks. If they are partners, why does it take so long to get the proof?

I could probably go on, but just a thought for you.

We are not ad filter company, we are not data management company either. We don't check sites for fraudulent activity, buying partners report on it.

What ARE you then?


P.S.: https://support.similarweb.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002219177-Reliable-Data-Estimations

Our data methodology is different than Direct measurement. Hence, there might be a discrepancy when estimating your site. We encourage you to connect your Google Analytics to SimilarWeb. You can do this publicly (all users will see this data) or privately (only you will see this data). Read here to learn how.

https://www.similarweb.com/corp/blog/similarweb-vs-google-analytics/

What does all this mean for the user? Well, Google Analytics has a better chance of their data being more accurate as they’re measuring the website directly.

 

[Deleted member 813988]

As someone without a law degree, I too prefer to operate with facts.

1. YOU received notification that you then passed on to US. (A fact is not a fact without correct wording)

Those we can both agree those are the facts, you personally provided screenshots of everything described above. We're on the same page.

2. We were asked for some traffic data, not specific traffic data, we showed you GA

Here's my message:

It is not just specific, but very specific.

3. When we showed you GA, you did not ask for anything else.

Now I can say that you're lying.

4. We had 356,362 users with 415,833 sessions
5. 87% organic, 5% direct, 8% other
6. We have multiple ways to PROVE numbers 4 & 5

Reports that you provided to were used to support your claim on traffic quality.

7. You say that 95% of our traffic is fake/invalid (with ZERO PROOF)

You contacted me on the issue before I knew you have it, I didn't send you any notices.
The violation notifications don't come as reports with proof, they come as messages stating the violation.

8. You say that they are your partners/networks. If they are partners, why does it take so long to get the proof?

Yes, we have no advertisers, only publishers. It takes time to go through thousands of requests, there are billions of ads being served each day.

What ARE you then?

Please check BST it has a very clear explanation, and note it doesn't say anything about filtering or managing publishers traffic.
This is the reason why I am not sure why you in this conversation, you clearly don't understand what service Meddie signup up for but still trying to find something to smear on us.

What does all this mean for the user? Well, Google Analytics has a better chance of their data being more accurate as they’re measuring the website directly.

There is a reason why networks check SW and not GA, I explained how it works above. I am not looking to change your opinion, on SW, but to show that this source has higher authority and it didn't show good picture, thus wasn't used.

 

[Society Girl]

Okay, after a screenshare with @Veil123, I'm in no doubt that the traffic was organic. I've concluded that unless there's any definitive proof that you can provide, @se900se will need you will need to pay Veil123 $7000, as per the Hooligan media Dashboard reports.

 

[Deleted member 813988]

Okay, after a screenshare with @Veil123, I'm in no doubt that the traffic was organic. I've concluded that unless there's any definitive proof that you can provide, @se900se will need you will need to pay Veil123 $7000, as per the Hooligan media Dashboard reports.

Ad networks don’t provide reports to us they either say the payment is released or it is blocked. If the payment is blocked it won’t be paid from my pocket.

Thank you

@Society Girl As per Terms and Conditions that Meddie signed up for, legally, if the payment is not released by the network, we won't be paying it. Veil - doesn't have account with us, Meddie does.

The claim is that traffic is not organic or bot, but the invalid traffic activity. If we get more info in the reply, I will share it once we get it. This is the picture that veil has shared in his first message, please check:

I understand that you can check reports, but you can't check if there were any tricks with the ads from the publishers end.

 

[Veil123]

@Society Girl As per Terms and Conditions that Meddie signed up for, legally, if the payment is not released by the network, we won't be paying it. Veil - doesn't have account with us, Meddie does.

The claim is that traffic is not organic or bot, but the invalid traffic activity. If we get more info in the reply, I will share it once we get it. This is the picture that veil has shared in his first message, please check:

I understand that you can check reports, but you can't check if there were any tricks with the ads from the publishers end.

Nice try buddy, nice try...
Unfortunately, we got that covered as well
Wayback machine:

 

[Deleted member 813988]

Nice try buddy, nice try...
Unfortunately, we got that covered as well
Wayback machine:

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you can't check if there were any tricks with the ads from the publishers end.

What you show above are the confirmation that you had tag on the site, I didn't say you didn't.

Please check this:

You are not the account holder, Meddie is, it would be better if the person legally responsible for the account will take a stand.

 

[BrandingCat]

Ad networks don’t provide reports to us they either say the payment is released or it is blocked. If the payment is blocked it won’t be paid from my pocket.
@Society Girl As per Terms and Conditions that Meddie signed up for, legally, if the payment is not released by the network, we won't be paying it.

The claim is that traffic is not organic or bot, but the invalid traffic activity. If we get more info in the reply, I will share it once we get it. This is the picture that veil has shared in his first message, please check:

@Society Girl - I have nothing else to say, he refuse to pay.

This email screenshot it's just a basic email sent from Hooligans to us just before releasing the August payments, not from networks, so, as a matter of fact, this does not prove anything.

As been already weeks and he clearly can't deal with this situation which is clearly over his powers, would be amazing if we finish once for all this shitlist. He refuses to pay but blaming 3rd parties (me, @Veil123, BHW itself, or networks) it's your stuff decision what you'll do with the shitlist.

EDIT: @Veil123 showed him the position(s) of the ad tags so that he can't say that we did some tricks for the visitors to click on the ads. All client sided scripts are there so his claim is invalid.
His terms are hidden which can be changed anytime, no legit company does that.


If there is anything else would you like to see from us @Society Girl, I am an open book, as always.
Thanks!

 

[Society Girl]

Okay, after a screenshare with @Veil123, I'm in no doubt that the traffic was organic. I've concluded that unless there's any definitive proof that you can provide, @se900se will need you will need to pay Veil123 $7000, as per the Hooligan media Dashboard reports.

This still applies. @se900se you've got 48 hours.

This is your deal to manage, not blame outside elements. Like I said, it's on you to prove the traffic is invalid, as Veil has done more than enough to show me it is valid.

All I have from you is an email saying it isn't - with no context. You'll be banned from BHW if you fail to pay. Unless there's any proof, discussing further isn't really going to help things.

 

[Deleted member 813988]

@Society Girl - I have nothing else to say, he refuse to pay.

The process was described to you above. There will be no payment from my pocket, there will be payment from the network, considering it will be released. If it's not released, we are not obligated to pay it as per terms and conditions you agreed to. I am happy to take legal action if you want to proceed it that way. I will provide the details once they come, I expect them to be by the end of the week, the notifications come before the payments released, most likely should be end of this week.

This email screenshot it's just a basic email sent from Hooligans to us just before releasing the August payments, not from networks, so, as a matter of fact, this does not prove anything.

Yes, this is our email, that's correct.

As been already weeks and he clearly can't deal with this situation which is clearly over his powers, would be amazing if we finish once for all this shitlist. He refuses to pay but blaming 3rd parties (me, @Veil123, BHW itself, or networks) it's your stuff decision what you'll do with the shitlist, we are fine with any.

I am dealing with this every time you send a message you get a response and update. There's nothing else I can do beyond that.
Please don't confuse blaming with explaining.

EDIT: @Veil123 showed him the position(s) of the ad tags so that he can't say that we did some tricks for the visitors to click on the ads. All client sided scripts are there so his claim is invalid.
His terms are hidden which can be changed anytime, no legit company does that.

Without agreeing to the terms you cannot access the dashboard, you read and agreed to them.

This still applies. @se900se you've got 48 hours.

The time is out of my control. If notification comes on Friday, it will be friday. Time limits or ban on the forum will not speed up networks response as this is not how the process work. I ask to send another request today, that's all I can do.

This is your deal to manage, not blame outside elements. Like I said, it's on you to prove the traffic is invalid, as Veil has done more than enough to show me it is valid.

Never blamed outside elements, but explained process. Please check BST it says that we work with other ad ntewrok that provide us demand that we provide to our publishers. We work with those sites who cannot get ads or thos ewho want to work on CPM. We don't pay for ads served, ad network does. We don't have own advertisers, we don't deal with advertisers money and have no say in their release, we are the middleman that provides ads for those who wants them and we pass payment from network to publisher. If payment is not received for the X reason, we are not obligated to pay it and it is stated on the conditions. None of the rules were broken.

All I have from you is an email saying it isn't - with no context. You'll be banned from the site if you fail to pay. Unless there's any proof, discussing further isn't really going to help things.

The payment will be only be made if its released by the network. If it's not released by the network, personal payments won't be made as this was never the service nor agreement. We didn't break any rules not of the BHW, not of the US law.

If the admin that approved the thread or another admin that has experience with advertising or an understanding on how ad exchanges work could check the thread, I would appreciate it.

UPD: While typing this message I got a message from the user:

That's correct CTR over 5% is a red flag, CPM of $23 is also very rare.

and:

I will check for stats from the hoоligan dashboard that could indicate invalid activity and I will post anything I find here.

Mods - you can check my PM's (ip's logins, etc).

Stay tuned.

 

[BrandingCat]

You should check from 4 months ago, or at least when we get banned and noticing you we will do a shitlist which been weeks ago, not now, trying to earn some time.

I would explain our niche, target demographic, age, and user behavior, but I am pretty sure you have also no expertise in this just because you share what a random user says, and that's not my problem either.
Sharing PMs which you receive randomly also says a lot about your professionalism, that specific user who PM has no clue even how my site looks or even niche, after this shitlist will end in less than 48h, you will see a lot of people which complaint about you and your network, but they are not allowed to post because they are not directly affected by us, and I am talking about users with years on BHW and beyond which are not affiliated with us in any way, as we all know, this is not your first shitlist which you lose.

CPM 20 is basic on any decent network. CPM is variable by the niche, ad-block, user history, calendarists months, for example, AdTrhive has a minimum of 18 USD on a bad month like January. It's a fact, where most of the users earn 20 USD per CPM constant, on Mediavine is higher. Just do a Google search, anyone can relate.

More than that, now you said @Society Girl it's incompetent to mediate this shitlist, your level of arrogance it's just amazing. I know, you don't say incompetent, you just play around with words, the only thing interesting at you.

Do you have proof that the terms were not created/edited after the creation of this shitlist? As we can't get to the terms page from anywhere?

Instead of trying to earn time, accept reality. Rules are rules and apply to any of us. Indeed, at one thing you are right: there is nothing else you can do because it's over your powers from day one.

With each reply you make, you prove your skills and professionalism, somehow you force me to explain to you how basic things work in YOUR WORLD.

Sorry for the double post, I can not edit anymore because 30 minutes passed.

Admin Edit: No problem, I've merged your posts. ~Z

Here, another live example from a site on our network, I know, you will say now it's different, but you bring the random discussion and I will prove every single affirmation you make it's false from the roots.

CTR 14.49% and we got payment from Google itself every single month. This is fake as well? I can screen share anytime. How many proofs you want to demonstrate you have no clue even about basic ads, how many?! Tell me how is possible we could scam Google for years with this enormous CTR?

I have all the time in the world to prove you wrong, you have less than 48 hours and 0 proofs.

 

[Diamond Damien]

Test bump please ignore.

 

[Deleted member 813988]

Okay, after a screenshare with @Veil123, I'm in no doubt that the traffic was organic.

What I don't understand is why Veil couldn't provide info that was shared with you when it was initially requested on November 3rd?
Today, three weeks later he privately shared some information, but I don't know what. I don't understand...and why now, so long later, not when requested.

I specifically requested all possible data on traffic except GA so it can be used as a proof response to the violation.
I have added a screenshot of the conversation and my request above, yet both users failed to provide anything except GA. If there was nothing to hide or to prepare, I don't see any reason not to provide it right away.

You should check from 4 months ago, or at least when we get banned and noticing you we will do a shitlist which been weeks ago, not now, trying to earn some time.

Checking from your registration day.

I suggested you to open SL, on November 3rd and suggested not to wait, screenshot when I did that is shared above in my second reply. I wasn't evasive nor buying time, if I was I wouldn't be telling you to go forwards with SL,which you did. During the time while SL was on the approval queue we spoke via PM, I was quickly responding and supporting. There was not a single time when I ignored your message. If I had anything to hide, I wouldn't be active on the forum and would come up with 'sick relative' excuse, yet, I was and am around.

I would explain our niche, target demographic, age, and user behavior, but I am pretty sure you have also no expertise in this just because you share what a random user says, and that's not my problem either.

Your niche, nor demographic is not in question. The user who pm'ed has suggested that you shared a screenshot yourself on our BST, that screenshot shows extremely high CTR and CPM which could be used as proof for multiple red flags indicating invalid activity on your site/coming from your site. Below I share what rates (10x-20x less) that you currently get, confirming there was invalid activity and that there isn't now.

Sharing PMs which you receive randomly also says a lot about your professionalism, that specific user who PM has no clue even how my site looks like

That is correct, it doesn't say anything negative about my professionalism, I am open, answering each of your questions, and being polite in my replies. The user has no info about your site, except the screenshot that you publicly shared on our BST. You don't need to see the layout of the site to see your rates on the screenshot. You can't disagree that there is evidence, you shared yourself, that evidence is showing big spikes in CTR and CPM thus, incriminating you.

after this shitlist will end in less than 48h, you will see a lot of people which complaint about you and your network, but they are not allowed to post because they are not directly affected by us, and I am talking about users with years on BHW and beyond which are not affiliated with us in any way.

Please check the rules:

Information For Other Members If anyone else has the same issue with the accused, you may respond so long as you supply evidence in the form of screenshots, videos, etc.

If anyone has the same problem/issue with our network they can add to this current ShitList , but nobody did, this means you are the only one.

P.S. The user who was sent PM is longer time on the forum than both, you and me, you can see that on the screenshot as well.

CPM 20 is basic on any decent network. CPM is variable by the niche, ad-block, user history, calendarists months, for example, AdTrhive has a minimum of 18 USD on a bad month like January. It's a fact, where most of the users earn 20 USD per CPM constant, on Mediavine is higher.

$20 CPM is not basic with any display network, CPM $2 is and this is the CPM you currently getting, I have provided screenshots of the rates with your current network below. Anyone who has ever worked with display ads can confirm that. I am not sure what has changed on your site, but something definitely did.
$18 CPM is not something that you can see with AdThrive either, even on the best month, please Google.

Please note, you said above you were denied by AdThrive:

we applied to AdTrhive, and they do not accept

Just do a Google search, anyone can relate.

I never saw such rates and I work with ads for years,, but yes, sure let's Google....and right on the top Google says:

$20 CPM is very high. You will lose that account.

If you just search for average cpm rates there are thousands of links, but here're a few very first from the top:

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/typical-cpm-74763.htmlhttps://headerbidding.co/adsense-cpm-rates-2019/https://support.google.com/adsense/thread/67372425?hl=enhttps://choozle.com/blog/cpm-cheat-sheet-guidelines-programmatic-bidding/https://blognife.com/2017/08/29/google-ad-exchange-cpm-rates-2017/https://support.google.com/adsense/thread/59378838?hl=en
None is reporting any CPM over $3 and $5 CPM considered high.

More than that, now you said @Society Girl it's incompetent to mediate this shitlist, your level of arrogance it's just amazing. I know, you don't say incompetent, you just play around with words, the only thing interesting at you.

I politely asked other admins to look at the issue, there's no arrogance, and nothing wrong with the request. I also asked Damien as I am open in what I do, I have nothing to hide, I didn't do anything wrong. Please don't make it personal.

Do you have proof that the terms were not created/edited after the creation of this shitlist? As we can't get to the terms page from anywhere?

They weren't, you can check with @Society Girl. I explained how you can get the ToS in my previous replies.

Instead of trying to earn time, accept reality. Rules are rules and apply to any of us. Indeed, at one thing you are right: there is nothing else you can do because it's over your powers from day one.

I don't need to earn time, I accept reality , I am the one who suggested you opening the shitlist before you even mentioned it and I am ready to accept consequences if that's what BHW rules out. I am not afraid of getting banned, I accept it with respect and this will not make me wrong or unfair for this situation. This is not a usual ShitList situation where user asking for refund for something that he paid for, this is a situation where you didn't pay anything and there is nothing to refund.

I agree, the rules are the rules, they work for both of us the same way, this includes the rules you agreed to when signed up for the account with us. I confirm, there is nothing I can do if the partners won't release your payment.

Here, another live example from a site on our network, I know, you will say now it's different, but you bring the random discussion and I will prove every single affirmation you make it's false from the roots.

The screenshot you shared: doesn't show CPM, it shows RPM which is a different metric. Thus, this proves the fact that high rates are rare, and 99.99%, lead to the issues you have. CPM is based on the ratio of Clicks & Impressions, artificially incleareasing clicks on the ads will result in high CPM and this is what I see on your account right now. If there is a script that is forcing users to click on the ad the script won't be visible on the screenshare nor the layout.

If you would be as 'professional' as you state you are and explaining the basics to me, you wouldn't post the image with RPM, thus either you don't know much about ads, which I truly believe is the case, or you want to mislead, which I hope is not the case.

Here you asking me suggestions on the network, if you are teaching me the basics, why is it actually vice-versa?:

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/any-adsense-network-which-accept-3k-a-month-websites.1087052/
You have a number of threads confirming you had issues with AdSense on your site and even looking for AdSense approved sites:

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/wtb-site-which-does-at-least-100-usd-a-month-from-adsense.1278005/
Here you say: -'USA traffic doesn't mean quality traffic', this statement you agrees with the points that invalid activity could be even if the traffic is organic.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/h...ith-pay-per-impression.1258679/#post-13538683
@Society Girl - please check the claim, it doesn't say that traffic is a bot, the email said: 'invalid activity', therefore proving the traffic origin (I don't know what veil showed over screen share) doesn't mean there wasn't invalid activity. Please also note, veil himself shared (on his initial reply to this thread) and confirmed that the site had adult and sexual content on their site which confirms the fact of the invalid activity that you asked for. More proof below.

CTR 14.49% and we got payment from Google itself every single month. This is fake as well? I can screen share anytime. How many proofs you want to demonstrate you have no clue even about basic ads, how many?! Tell me how is possible we could scam Google for years with this enormous CTR?

To run ads on the site you have to have ads.txt: https://iabtechlab.com/ads-txt-about/
After you removed our ads.txt records and put new records your ads.txt look like this:

Those are the moneytizer records (as you did state it's your current network, not adsense or google or adthirve etc) you can check them here: MoneyTizer Ads.txt

The adsense screenshot you shared above does shows high CTR. High enough to get that site banned. It doesn't show if the site owner was ever paid, nor if it will be paid, it doesn't show it belongs to your site, and more info on that below.

P.S. In the UK it is pounds, not Euros, and it is Macedonian denar in Macedonia. The screenshot shows...Euro?

Here's what moneytizer is paying to you, any user can check the bids on any site that runs them:



Note: No network actually won the bid, it is $0.
After spending a good hour browsing through the site trying to find at least one bid over $10, the best I found was $2.50, that again, wasn't served.

Additionally, there is no Google (who is our main partner) among your networks, meaning there is a block on your site:



Note: The fact that you have Google records in ads.txt doesn't mean you actually run or allowed to run them.
Ads.txt is a simple txt file and usually networks provide standard records even if you don't or can't run all of them.

@Society Girl - I can show how to check the rates and advertisers so you can see and compare current & previous rates.

This proves that statements from veil & meddie about their high CPMs and traffic quality are baseless, since the other networks don't even always bid for the traffic.
I assume there was some technical trick to artificially increase CPM via CTR.

I have all the time in the world to prove you wrong, you have less than 48 and 0 proofs.

Then, why nstead, you let to do all the work to the user who doesn't even have an account with us ? Eddie, you being silly.

That is correct, I have a less time to assist with the issues you're having, now I have less than 24 hours to respond about invalid activity. Deactivating me on the forum will not result in the payment, if you didn't understand that yet. The payment decision is not mine, whether I am banned on BHW or not. Whether it will be released or not released, will be based on the partner's response, as we didn't block that money. If partmer send us your payment, you will receive it even if I am banned on the forum, but if not, then we will notify you about that. It was you who needed to provide proof, yet you didn't provide anything except GA when requested. I do hope we will be able to resolve it without deactivation, but if that's the case, there's nothing I can do, I will no longer have BHW, and we will part our ways.

More details on your invalid activity issue:

- The message:

- The server:

- The user dashboard:

(Tag with 30% viewability, meaning, its below the fold, invisible, has $28.29 CPM)
(Tag has 8% CTR and $9.32 CPM)

- More invalid activity and plenty of other red flags from the dashboard report since I can't put more than 10 here and there are dozens and dozens:

Some market data on the average CPMs:

Average CPM: https://www.quora.com/What-is-an-average-CPM-for-a-website-banner
CPM over $5 is a very good CPM: https://www.quora.com/What-has-the-best-CPM-rate
Average CPM report by MonetizePros: https://monetizepros.com/display-advertising/average-cpm-rates/

I am still going through the dashboard and your account, whatever I find, I will post here.

 

[Veil123]

I don't know why do we still have this conversation. Why do you do these checks now, after (almost) 4 months?
We were not supposed to send you ANY traffic report at all as YOU/YOUR PARTNERS are the ones that accuse us of 'invalid/fake traffic'. The rest of the data is in the first post of this thread (the screenshots are legit and they have not been altered).

Those are the moneytizer records (as you did state it's your current network, not adsense or google or adthirve etc) you can check them here: MoneyTizer Ads.txt

- When you already mentioned the moneytizer, lets see what they told us when we mentioned that we worked with Hooligan Media:


And oh, btw:

They have tools. But do you?

I don't know why am I still having this conversation with you about the stuff that you are supposed to know (you own the company).

- If I added scripts to manipulate users to click on ads, they would be seen on web-archive as (if you didn't know) client-sided scripts cant be hidden and forcing people to click can't be done from the backend (php)

- Our average CPM on the moneytizer is ~$7 (with test ADs only). So yeah, that BidFilter that you have there has the same accuracy as SW. Again, you are WRONG. You really don't have ANY tools in your server/system to prove anything, do you? If you did, you wouldn't show reports of some random Chrome extensions.

Read this please: https://www.financialsamurai.com/average-cpm-and-rpm-advertising-rates-by-month/#:~:text=In other words, RPMs often,websites hovers around $18 – $25

P.S. In the UK it is pounds, not Euros, and it is Macedonian denar in Macedonia. The screenshot shows...Euro?

- Meddie is from Romania, and Romania is in EU so yeah, euros

This is not a usual ShitList situation where user asking for refund for something that he paid for, this is a situation where you didn't pay anything and there is nothing to refund.

We didn't pay to get a refund, but instead we paid with time (almost 4 months) and that is something that you can't refund to us.

They weren't, you can check with @Society Girl. I explained how you can get the ToS in my previous replies.

"They weren't" is not proof that they have not been altered.

Please also note, veil himself shared (on his initial reply to this thread) and confirmed that the site had adult and sexual content on their site which confirms the fact of the invalid activity that you asked for.

How does the content type prove invalid activity?
In addition to that, we have 102.000 posts and out of those, only 16 (you sent us an email for 2 only) were with sexual content (just text and 1-2 images with half nudity). However, even with that, we removed the posts COMPLETELY (you just told us to remove the ADS from those particular posts).

Then, why nstead, you let to do all the work to the user who doesn't even have an account with us ? Eddie, you being silly.

Are you calling him silly now? If you would like to count the comments on this thread from our side, there are 14 total, 9 of them from @Meddie. 64.28% are his.

Deactivating me on the forum will not result in the payment, if you didn't understand that yet.

Maybe not, but it will stop the same problem being an issue for other members.

Also, did you forget to tell the difference between vCPM and CPM? Our second tag was below the link that the users came for.

This is my last post here.
Kind regards

 

[BrandingCat]

As part of this shitlist I confirm I have nothing else to say.

Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 813988]

I don't know why do we still have this conversation. Why do you do these checks now, after (almost) 4 months?

It was requested by the mod, that's why, but we are not required to check your stats nor traffic.

We were not supposed to send you ANY traffic report at all as YOU/YOUR PARTNERS are the ones that accuse us of 'invalid/fake traffic'. The rest of the data is in the first post of this thread (the screenshots are legit and they have not been altered).

You weren't, but I requested it in order to support something in reply, at least somrthing.
You provided GA only.

- When you already mentioned the moneytizer, lets see what they told us when we mentioned that we worked with Hooligan Media:

Meddia said that you work with Moneytizer, not me:

Meddia said that you work with

the moneytizer does, and we are pretty fine

Who cares what Moneytizer said? Are they part of the issue? I don't see how is this relevant to the current conversation?
Why do you want to stir it to a different direction instead of focusing on specific issue?

They have tools. But do you?

We do not, I already responded to that here:

We are not ad filter company, we are not data management company either. We don't check sites for fraudulent activity, buying partners report on it.

I don't know why am I still having this conversation with you about the stuff that you are supposed to know (you own the company).

I don't know either, you said twice that this is your last reply, yet you still comment.

- If I added scripts to manipulate users to click on ads, they would be seen on web-archive as (if you didn't know) client-sided scripts cant be hidden and forcing people to click can't be done from the backend (php)

It doesn't back whole site, + I am sure you would know how to avoid that.
I have contacted multiple publishers of ours to see if anyone got over $5 CPM or at least 5% CTR, looks like nobody did... .

- Our average CPM on the moneytizer is ~$7 (with test ADs only). So yeah, that BidFilter that you have there has the same accuracy as SW. Again, you are WRONG. You really don't have ANY tools in your server/system to prove anything, do you? If you did, you wouldn't show reports of some random Chrome extensions.

I have shared your CPM with Moneytizer, everyone who knows URL of your site can check on it, including you.
You don't need to have access to the site. I can post more screenshots and more data about your current rates.
Additioanally, on the screenshot you can see what software I used for that, you can check your rates yourself.

Read this please: https://www.financialsamurai.com/average-cpm-and-rpm-advertising-rates-by-month/#:~:text=In other words, RPMs often,websites hovers around $18 – $25

I have shared multiple links above from variety of sources that prove opposite, I can provide a dozen more.

- Meddie is from Romania, and Romania is in EU so yeah, euros

One of his addresses is UK, I assumed he is in UK and you're in Macedonia, but that's not the point, what I mean is - screenshot provided is useless, non-related to the issue you're having.

We didn't pay to get a refund, but instead we paid with time (almost 4 months) and that is something that you can't refund to us.

You can't refund wasted impressions either.

"They weren't" is not proof that they have not been altered.

Legally, it can be altered, though, it wasn't. There is no law preventing us, or any other company from making changes the Terms of Services.
I guess you have to trust the mod in this case.

How does the content type prove invalid activity?
In addition to that, we have 102.000 posts and out of those, only 16 (you sent us an email for 2 only) were with sexual content (just text and 1 image with half nudity). However, even with that, we removed the posts COMPLETELY (you just told us to remove the ADS from those particular posts).

You didn't sign up with us, legally, we have nothing to do with you, and the only reason why we have this conversation is because I am required to have it by the BHW rules, however, as stated three times already it is meddie who has account with us. Thus, I assume you didn't read our BST and have these questions as you have, but sure, I don't mind making another screenshot from the BST for you, confirming that you broke the rules:

That's a fact, it's not allowed, it is said so on BST, and you had that problem...+ many others.

Maybe not, but it will stop the same problem being an issue for other members.

We already ruled that out, you're the only one having this problem. Since only those affected can comment here, those who can provide proofs of payment can't.
Otherwise, I would request every user who can to post their proofs.

Also, did you forget to tell the difference between vCPM and CPM? Our second tag was RIGHT next to the link that the users came for.

Nope, I didn't, Viewable CPM, this is exactly what I am talking about when saying it could be artificially increased.

 

[BrandingCat]

I have shared your CPM with Moneytizer, everyone who knows URL of your site can check on it, including you.
You don't need to have access to the site. I can post more screenshots and more data about your current rates.
Additioanally, on the screenshot you can see what software I used for that, you can check your rates yourself.

Who cares what Moneytizer said? Are they part of the issue? I don't see how is this relevant to the current conversation?
Why do you want to stir it to a different direction instead of focusing on specific issue?

You contradict yourself.

And half-nudity =/= porn (we still did remove the ads and the posts as per your instructions via the email.). Why didn't you block us/ban us at the time tho?

We done here.
Have a great day.

 

[Deleted member 813988]

And half-nudity =/= porn (we still did remove the ads and the posts as per your instructions via the email.). Why didn't you block us/ban us at the time tho?

I don't contradict, that is adult content.
I didn't ban you because I don't ban users, buying partners do.

Please don't find it rude, but you contradicted yourself:

This will be my last reply here as I don't have anything else to add to this shitlist.

Please don't force me to reply again

I have nothing else to say

I have nothing else to say

We done here.

This is my last post here.

@Veil123 & @Meddie, Society Girl has specifically told me pay or provide proof - I provided proof from the dashboard. I still expect to get the final response from the partners by the end of the week that I will post here, if I'm not banned by then yet, or via email if I am. At this point, I am not providing proof for you, but for the @Society Girl, as was requested so she can use it for consideration, whatever is decided to be the best outcome.

This is not usual and straightforward shit list where a simple refund takes place. This SL requires understanding of the ad serving and as arbitrage, so it's important that I explain, please don't prevent me from doing so, you had your turn, now I have few hours for mine.

I was scammed for $2k on my previous shitlist (last February, it was pretty loud) and didn't insist on the user paying them back to me, you should understand, I am not after your money and I am not going to sponsor you with mine either.

The process is simple: You get our tags, run them on your site earn money for impressions. The money come from the advertiser, if they don't pay us for X reason, we don't pay you. This is what you agreed to and signed up for. The same rules work any other user working with us.

Screenshot of the BST itself:

If our partner e.g.

(TTD) The Trade Desk

used our supply to advertise but didn't get any conversions from specific domain they will not pay for it, and that is basically what happened.

Reviews from other users who received payments (there are no users who didn't receive):

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/has-anyone-received-payment-from-hooligan.1273666/post-13715204https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a...oligan-media-ad-network.1261394/post-13570461https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/has-anyone-received-payment-from-hooligan.1273666/post-13715722https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a...oligan-media-ad-network.1261394/post-13637669https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/h...ernative-high-cpm-rates.1252590/post-13757135https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a...oligan-media-ad-network.1261394/post-13637686https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/h...ernative-high-cpm-rates.1252590/post-13757601
I can provide much more ^^^.

I received a bunch of PM's from users who support me on the case, this is heartwarming, I appreciate your support and attention!