[se900se] Hooligan Media Scam Report

Аccused: @se900se

@se900se was informed about the shitlist on Slack but as we were kicked from the channel we couldn't get a screenshot on time. We have also notified the accused here: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/h...ernative-high-cpm-rates.1252590/post-13756120
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What basically happened is we sent genuine traffic, which the accused (or the networks that he/his company represent) decided to try to flag as fake, which it clearly wasn’t. Instead of helping us solve the issue, they banned us from their Slack discussion/support group. We have provided ample proof that we didn’t send any fake traffic.

Partners (JV): @Veil123 (responsible for the code, security, hosting and analytics) and @Meddie (responsible for SEO and social media management)
About our website:
- Generating 3.000 - 4.000 UV/day in August, up to 6.000 - 8.000 UV/day in October and the first week of November. Screenshots:



- From the moment of joining Hooligan Media until a few days ago, we had:

• 356,362 users and 415,833 sessions
• 87% organic traffic, 5% direct traffic and 8% other

Screenshot:


- We have the same design/layout and traffic sources for five months straight!
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The Story:
Unfortunately, I can’t post any images of our Slack conversation as we were both kicked off the channel after the discussion. Screenshot:

We had a discussion going with @se900se on Slack, and once we were kicked out from the channel (I don’t know why that happened as we had a normal and calm discussion. No name-calling, etc...), we decided to open the shitlist.

If they didn’t kick us out, we would have waited for the Hooligan Media guy that we sent our analytics reports to (@se900se said that he personally couldn’t do anything, but we need to wait for this guy’s reply as he is taking care of the traffic and problems with the networks) to get back to us. Still, instead, we now believe that they are playing us.

Long story short, we sent analytics reports to this guy, and we gave him admin access to our analytics. Three days have passed, and we haven’t even had a confirmation email to say that he received the files. (We also told @se900se that we sent an email, and we will wait for confirmation because we lose money from not monetizing our traffic, and we need to solve this as soon as possible). Screenshot:


The moment that got me triggered was when I asked @se900se: Why do we still show ads on our site when (according to what he said previously) our demand is blocked, and our site is temporarily blocked?
He said, ‘Please remove the tags right now!’. We didn’t remove them for the next 24 hours, and guess what? We earned $269! How is that possible if there was no demand for our traffic?




If there is no demand, we would be blocked entirely, and I know this for sure because 2 weeks ago, we received an email from Hooligan Media saying that they found two posts with adult content, and we needed to remove those posts.

When I opened the posts, the ads were gone as they were blocked from the network or hooligan’s server, and they were able to block the ads for the two posts only.
After the email, ALL adult posts (there were 16 adult related posts in total out of 102.000+ posts that they didn’t find yet as they only got three hits in total) were removed within 2 hours of us receiving the email.

Everything was running smoothly afterward, and we didn’t have any other similar problems:

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What do we want:
1. As we can see from the ads.txt file you gave to us, there are nine networks on your server, which means that we were showing (%) ads from more than one network. We want to know whose ads were displayed on our website (in %). We want valid and solid proof from each network stating how 95% of our traffic is fake, along with evidence from you/them that the money was returned to the advertisers. Otherwise, everyone could make a random network, ‘steal’ traffic for three months and then come up with a stupid ‘your traffic is fake’ excuse and run away with the money, right?

2. If you can’t provide us with the above stated, we would want an upfront payment for ALL the traffic we sent to you/the networks you represent (3 months - August, September, October, and the few days of November), which is $7.082 in total.


And please, don’t respond with the excuse that you are not responsible for the networks and that our traffic is fake as CLEARLY seen from the analytics, google and bing webmaster reports as well as WP statistics - the traffic is clean and ~100% genuine:





I really thought this was just a huge mistake from your end and that we would be able to solve everything together. However, when we got kicked out of the Slack support group, you have shown us how unprofessional you are.

If you were more helpful, this shitlist would have never been created. I really wanted our partnership to be long-term as we had other sites that we wanted to move to your network/system, but at the end of the day, I am really happy that we didn’t


Kind regards.

@se900se - you have 48 hours to respond in this thread.

Information For The Accused Accused, you have 48 hours to respond to this shit list thread. If you do not respond within 48 hours, the decision will be made in favour of the Shit Lister and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using support.blackhatworld.com only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

Please note that even in the event of a refund, you will also be required to maintain your marketplace thread. If you need to temporarily close your sales threads until you can manage your customers, you may do so by request. Information For The Accused & The Shit Lister Please remain professional as name calling, insults, tu quoque, and ad hominem will not be tolerated. Should the Shit Lister resort to this, the dispute will be forfeit; and if the accused resorts to this, the dispute will automatically be in the Shit Lister's favour.

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- Can you please provide information on/do the below? Can you change your email address on bhw to one associated with Hooligan Media to help prove association.

- Whether or not your TOS prohibits bot traffic. If it does, can you provide proof of this and share a link. (This can't be a fresh page created just now for this purpose).

- If it is in the TOS that bot traffic isn't allowed, we'll do some further checks with @Veil123


Thanks for your help, guys.

The story: The site that belongs to the members above got penalized for the invalid traffic activity by our buying partners/networks. When this happens the process is exactly like getting banned with AdSense - before payment is to be released the result is checked and if it's bad, the domain gets a penalty, which can be a deduction of the portion of the earning or like in the current situatuon - ban.

Society Girl said:

- Can you please provide information on/do the below? Can you change your email address on bhw to one associated with Hooligan Media to help prove association.

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- Done

Society Girl said:

- Whether or not your TOS prohibits bot traffic. If it does, can you provide proof of this and share a link. (This can't be a fresh page created just now for this purpose).

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- Terms:


Publisher agrees to terms and conditions before signing up on the dashboard. Upon clicking button 'register' user will see a pop-up to read and agree with the terms and conditions. If the publisher doesn't accept terms he won't be able to register. After user is registered, an admin has to approve and activate the dashboard for the site.

Society Girl said:

- If it is in the TOS that bot traffic isn't allowed, we'll do some further checks with @Veil123

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I provided the screenshot above and explained how to check the terms live.

It would be important to paint full picture as this is an open case that is observed by other users, customers, and mods. Therefore in addition to requested info above I will fill out some gaps.

Veil123 said:

@se900se was informed about the shitlist on Slack but as we were kicked from the channel we couldn't get a screenshot on time. We have also notified the accused here: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/h...ernative-high-cpm-rates.1252590/post-13756120

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To clarify, I wasn't infomned, I am the one who requested to open shit-list once we had initial conversation on Slack on Novemeber 3rd, the same day you received an email:



I don't believe this is a process where you give time for us to resolve, its a process of the opposite direction.
This is a process where you have to be ready to assist with all the necessary info and this is not something we have to do, it makes sense not to push someone trying to help you.

Veil123 said:

Partners (JV): @Veil123 (responsible for the code, security, hosting and analytics) and @Meddie (responsible for SEO and social media management)

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The site initially belonged to @Meddie. I don't check nor track who are our publishers, but he was the one that contacted me in August, and you joined the conversation later on:

Veil123 said:

- Generating 3.000 - 4.000 UV/day in August, up to 6.000 - 8.000 UV/day in October and the first week of November. Screenshots:

- From the moment of joining Hooligan Media until a few days ago, we had:

• 356,362 users and 415,833 sessions
• 87% organic traffic, 5% direct traffic and 8% other

Screenshot:

- We have the same design/layout and traffic sources for five months straight!

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I confirm, this is the info that you have provided to us in response to the email that was sent to you.

Veil123 said:

The Story:
Unfortunately, I can’t post any images of our Slack conversation as we were both kicked off the channel after the discussion. Screenshot:

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That is correct, all inactive publishers get their accounts deactivated on Slack.

Veil123 said:

We had a discussion going with @se900se on Slack, and once we were kicked out from the channel (I don’t know why that happened as we had a normal and calm discussion. No name-calling, etc...), we decided to open the shitlist.

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Again, I requested to open it.

The discussion wasn't polite to say at least, you hinted that you're a mod on BHW and that my thread might be against the rules, but being a mod here doesn't give you grants. I am older than both of you, but you were pressuring me like I personally owe you, which is not the case. Your narrative is that you work with me not Google and I have to pay you even if Google doesn't - this called racketeering.

Veil123:


Meddie:



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I do have whole conversation and more things to post, I don't believe I should be doing that.

Veil123 said:

If they didn’t kick us out, we would have waited for the Hooligan Media guy that we sent our analytics reports to (@se900se said that he personally couldn’t do anything, but we need to wait for this guy’s reply as he is taking care of the traffic and problems with the networks) to get back to us. Still, instead, we now believe that they are playing us.

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All inactive publishers also get their Slack accounts deactivated. You threatened: 'By doing this you will not have just extremely bad advertising in 48h, but you will lose loads of customers.' - this expedited deactivation of your account. You are bad for business, thus keeping you on Slack with no active domain wasn't a good idea.

Once your account was deactivated I got contacted here on BHW where I have explained the same in PM:

Veil123 said:

Long story short, we sent analytics reports to this guy, and we gave him admin access to our analytics. Three days have passed, and we haven’t even had a confirmation email to say that he received the files. (We also told @se900se that we sent an email, and we will wait for confirmation because we lose money from not monetizing our traffic, and we need to solve this as soon as possible). Screenshot:

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I confirm, the analytics mentioned on the screenshot, as well as video of the internal GA pages were provided.
I can't confirm the GA access, even if it was provided this is not something that I deal with. Since no other data was provided by the publisher I went to check the SimilarWeb stats of their domain as SW is most trusted source among networks. I saw 280k discrepancy, where the SW showed the site got 72k traffic, while GA shows 350k traffic.



The GA shows all traffic including bot, while SW shows only real one. There could be discrepancy with SW, but not 280k, thus this info wasn't used into consideration as it confirms invalid traffic activity.

Veil123 said:

The moment that got me triggered was when I asked @se900se: Why do we still show ads on our site when (according to what he said previously) our demand is blocked, and our site is temporarily blocked?
He said, ‘Please remove the tags right now!’. We didn’t remove them for the next 24 hours, and guess what? We earned $269! How is that possible if there was no demand for our traffic?

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The dashboard counting requests and shows revenue based on requests, not actual impressions. On the dashboard, which you still have active, you can see that it says 'Ad Requests', as well as on our FAQ page there's an explanation of what ad requests are: LLR - means ad requests, how many time ad was requested by the server.

Veil123 said:

If there is no demand, we would be blocked entirely, and I know this for sure because 2 weeks ago, we received an email from Hooligan Media saying that they found two posts with adult content, and we needed to remove those posts. Were blocked from the network or hooligan’s server, and they were able to block the ads for the two posts only.
After the email, ALL adult posts (there were 16 adult related posts in total out of 102.000+ posts that they didn’t find yet as they only got three hits in total) were removed within 2 hours of us receiving the email.

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That is correct - there were multiple violations on your account, there is a valid reason(s) for current conversation.

Veil123 said:

What do we want:
1. As we can see from the ads.txt file you gave to us, there are nine networks on your server, which means that we were showing (%) ads from more than one network. We want to know whose ads were displayed on our website (in %). We want valid and solid proof from each network stating how 95% of our traffic is fake, along with evidence from you/them that the money was returned to the advertisers. Otherwise, everyone could make a random network, ‘steal’ traffic for three months and then come up with a stupid ‘your traffic is fake’ excuse and run away with the money, right?

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I don't think you understand. As it was mentioned on the Slack it is you who has to proof that you didn't bring fake traffic. My personal investigation showed that the fraud did take place, the bounce rate and the time on site, confirms the suspicion.

Veil123 said:

2. If you can’t provide us with the above stated, we would want an upfront payment for ALL the traffic we sent to you/the networks you represent (3 months - August, September, October, and the few days of November), which is $7.082 in total.

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The payment will be made if your revenue is released to us, otherwise we don't make payments from our own pockets. Please understand, you don't make rules, you obey the rules like you do with any other network, or as you would with AdSense. While other networks simply ban you without option to communicate we are trying to help with the process, it is in your interest to be friendly.

Veil123 said:

And please, don’t respond with the excuse that you are not responsible for the networks and that our traffic is fake as CLEARLY seen from the analytics, google and bing webmaster reports as well as WP statistics - the traffic is clean and ~100% genuine:

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I am not responsible for any other networks, accept it or not, that is a fact. The screenshots provided are the numbers that doesn't have proof behind them. As much as I wanted to help you, I couldn't as other traffic reporting sources showed a picture that doesn't look either.

Veil123 said:

I really thought this was just a huge mistake from your end and that we would be able to solve everything together. However, when we got kicked out of the Slack support group, you have shown us how unprofessional you are.

If you were more helpful, this shitlist would have never been created. I really wanted our partnership to be long-term as we had other sites that we wanted to move to your network/system, but at the end of the day, I am really happy that we didn’t

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Naturally, I am nice and friendly, trying to be as helpful as I can, especially for those who use my products, but as any other person I do not like to be intimidated and pressured. Please don't make a picture that you had to go with the shit-list, I requested it and I also reported to BHW mods on the situation, this is what grown-ups do.

I am still not sure what the outcome of your situation will be, however, I doubt it will be positive, it was never the case before and I have years of experience working with ads on all sides. In case the outcome is negative, there is nothing we can do, as we don't pay from our pockets. I strongly suggest to check your traffic quality and go with traffic filter solution: DV, IAS, or MOAT.

I don't think it's wise for you to open this shit-list using your mod status as authority backup, not for me to decide, but probably you not worthy of it if that's what you do. Since the site belongs to Meddie, it should be him who opened the list, however my responses would be the same.

Some more info for the observers:

We have publishers from BHW who received payments that are over $5k and over $10k, in the same date/month when Meddie's site got issues with their payment. Without going too far those who want more info can simply search the forum and find journey threads with screenshots of their payments. It would be silly to assume the network releases $100k payments in the same month and trick one of the publishers for a few hundred dollars.

Moderator note: Edited the image to redact the meta data/screenshot of the website

Hi,

Besides any terms and condition you have, which I can't really find them on any part of your website, any network, before accepting a site, first checks the site, the traffic. It decides if that specific site it's suitable for their audience/advertisers. On the other side, you accept without complaining about, so you and your company are directly responsible for the sites which join.
As I side note, as my partner @Veil123 mentioned earlier, we do not change anything on our site structure in all this period, can be checked via waybackmachine/google cache and related.

For example, a real one: After you ban us, we applied to AdTrhive, and they do not accept because on the other site, the moneytizer does, and we are pretty fine. Let's not talk about AdSense or others, as everyone knows that.

Point 2: From basic blogs to high-end businesses, they have a real address(or not at all) + legal pages on the footer (see BHW footer for example); I am not gonna lie, but I don't remember I've seen your terms even one time, on the footer are followings: A LinkedIn icon which is not going anywhere, "Support" and "Contact us" which referring to a basic contact form. I double-check everything again; I can't find the terms. Please share the URL of the terms, please; why is it hidden?



Point 3: Article 4(from the screenshot because I can't find the page with terms, I tried to search even on Google, not sure where is the page actually), it's not relevant to us, we do not do any of that, our traffic is organic, I guarantee with my right hand, I do SEO for it, I can prove to you, or anyone interested in this dispute by giving personal access to our analytics + showing rankings in search consoles of Google and Bing.



Point 4: You mention you have a network, but in Slack chat, you said 95% of traffic is invalid according to which advertisers because I also remember you said 90% of your ads are shown by Google ONLY? Can we see, after long waiting in vain, how all your advertisers say this? I am fascinated curious about how the networks say exactly 95% of traffic is invalid. You still own us 5% if we count every penny.

Point 5: Can we see reports of earnings for our site from all the advertiser platforms, please.

Point 6: Basically, if any 3rd party advertiser complains about a site, you just ban that specific site? What if is a false report? You do not have control over your network? Explain please to understand better how your network works because we know how a normal network does only.

Point 7: The first day you blocked our payments and mentioned the advertisers ban us, we did 260+ USD in 24h+. Can you explain how it's possible that? Because if someone blocks a domain, the ads don't appear anymore. You mentioned on Slack it's the cache, but it's impossible. Unfortunately, I can not share screenshots because you ban us there as well.

Point 8: You told me to share with your partner proof of traffic, which I did in minutes, but even today, we don't receive an answer., been few weeks; this is how it works?

Point 9: You will never see real traffic on a similar web, it's like looking on Ahrefs, that's an absurdity, but you should know better than.

I let @Veil123 manage this just because I don`t have the patience, even the words on me to deal with you, I understand you like to play around with nice words, but as I mentioned earlier, I am not threatening you, it's a reality, as you can see. No need to say you have years of experience, neither how you publishers earn 10k a month, we are dealing with our issues, and why is bad to BHW because @Veil123 open the shitlist, it does not sound as professional, don't try to hide the dirt under the carpet, please.

ALL IN ALL: Prove you have control over your network and not 3rd parties, how all advertisers say we have invalid traffic, and how our traffic is fake/botted/invalid, that exactly 95%, should be easier if you have full control because the data and scripts will do the rest.

I can show in 2 minutes to any administrator for BHW my traffic is real, organic, legit. CAN YOU PROVE IT 'S NOT?

Please answer with proofs, not just words. Apologies if you find my questions irrelevant to you and my English level.

se900se said:

To clarify, I wasn't infomned, I am the one who requested to open shit-list once we had initial conversation on Slack on Novemeber 3rd, the same day you received an email:

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I don't believe this is a process where you give time for us to resolve, its a process of the opposite direction.
This is a process where you have to be ready to assist with all the necessary info and this is not something we have to do, it makes sense not to push someone trying to help you.

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You were informed about the SL here as well: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/h...ernative-high-cpm-rates.1252590/post-13756120

You are the seller, we are the buyers, we bring traffic, you pay us. We are not getting paid by the networks directly but through your network/company. You are responsible for what happens with your partners/advertisers. If we are not supposed to depend on you then why would we join under your network/system?

se900se said:

The site initially belonged to @Meddie. I don't check nor track who are our publishers, but he was the one that contacted me in August, and you joined the conversation later on:

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It is not HIS website, its OURS.

se900se said:

The discussion wasn't polite to say at least, you hinted that you're a mod on BHW and that my thread might be against the rules, but being a mod here doesn't give you grants. I am older than both of you, but you were pressuring me like I personally owe you, which is not the case. Your narrative is that you work with me not Google and I have to pay you even if Google doesn't - this called racketeering.

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I do have whole conversation and more things to post, I don't believe I should be doing that.

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I never said anything about my position on BHW. I am opening this shitlist as a customer. I have the same rights as everyone else. And yes, you don't own us anything, your COMPANY does. We work with you and you work with your partners. They owe you, you owe us. I don't care whether you will pay us from your own pocket or you will sue/ask the advertisers to send you the money.
If you can't control your own system and the partners/advertisers that you work with it is same as re-selling which is obviously not allowed (as per the marketplace rules).

So, if you can't give us any evidence of our traffic being fake - you need to pay us.

se900se said:

I confirm, the analytics mentioned on the screenshot, as well as video of the internal GA pages were provided.
I can't confirm the GA access, even if it was provided this is not something that I deal with.

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Again, the BST thread was opened by your own Jr.VIP account. YOU are responsible for your service and also, weren't you the CEO of the company?

se900se said:

Since no other data was provided by the publisher I went to check the SimilarWeb stats of their domain as SW is most trusted source among networks. I saw 280k discrepancy, where the SW showed the site got 72k traffic, while GA shows 350k traffic.

The GA shows all traffic including bot, while SW shows only real one. There could be discrepancy with SW, but not 280k, thus this info wasn't used into consideration as it confirms invalid traffic activity.

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Ouch. 72.776 visitors from August to October according to SW, lets see: 72.776 out of 350.000 is 20.79%. Even if our traffic is fake as you say and SW data is accurate, your email says that we had 95% invalid traffic and according to the image above: 5% valid traffic (your email) is not 20.79 (SW data). Yup, you are wrong.

se900se said:

I don't think you understand. As it was mentioned on the Slack it is you who has to proof that you didn't bring fake traffic. My personal investigation showed that the fraud did take place, the bounce rate and the time on site, confirms the suspicion.

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Each of our posts answers the searching query for each visitor. The bounce rate is above 75% as people get what they search for (X user lands on the post, he then clicks the link and he is then redirected to the external link that he was searching for). Each of our posts are with no more than 300 words (and some people don't even read they just go to the final source through the link). But you already knew this, didn't you?

se900se said:

The payment will be made if your revenue is released to us, otherwise we don't make payments from our own pockets. Please understand, you don't make rules, you obey the rules like you do with any other network, or as you would with AdSense. While other networks simply ban you without option to communicate we are trying to help with the process, it is in your interest to be friendly.

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Obey the rules? I don't see any rules. If we wanted to work with AdSense we would not have joined your network. You are not AdSense but Hooligan Media. I don't care what the other networks do, we cared what you do as we worked with you - and not them.

se900se said:

all inactive publishers get their accounts deactivated on Slack.

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Not true. I know people that are still members there but they have NEVER used your network. They just joined and have never placed a single AD on their website.

se900se said:

I am not responsible for any other networks, accept it or not, that is a fact. The screenshots provided are the numbers that doesn't have proof behind them. As much as I wanted to help you, I couldn't as other traffic reporting sources showed a picture that doesn't look either.

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Don't worry. We have ALL the data from day 1 (Google analytics, bing and google console, ahrefs - ranked keywords as well as their monthly search volume, WP statistics - with IPs from our visitors, etc...). We didn't see a SINGLE report from your side stating how is our traffic considered a fake.

se900se said:

I am still not sure what the outcome of your situation will be, however, I doubt it will be positive, it was never the case before and I have years of experience working with ads on all sides. In case the outcome is negative, there is nothing we can do, as we don't pay from our pockets. I strongly suggest to check your traffic quality and go with traffic filter solution: DV, IAS, or MOAT.

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We don't need to add any traffic filters as we KNOW that our traffic is organic and clean. We have never bought a single visitor.

se900se said:

I don't think it's wise for you to open this shit-list using your mod status as authority backup, not for me to decide, but probably you not worthy of it if that's what you do. Since the site belongs to Meddie, it should be him who opened the list, however my responses would be the same.

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Again, the site does not belongs to Meddie only. I am not using the mod status as an excuse at all. As I previously said, I have the same rights as everyone else.


This will be my last reply here as I don't have anything else to add to this shitlist. We have the data and proof that our traffic is organic and clean. I am more than happy to provide the data to @Society Girl (admin access, videos, team viewer or any desk sessions). Google analytics, bing and google webmasters console data, ahrefs, WP statistics... - you name it.

This is proof of an "inactive" account of @Stuffedegg which never use your network, he confirms me he never ad any piece of code on his sites, but somehow it's still on your network.

I am also done with my part of work on this shitlist until you don't prove all the issues and accusations, we prove ours.

You are stirring conversation into a different direction, while main topic is invalid traffic activity on your site.
I will try to respond to everything that is relevant and give notes on what is not.

Meddie said:

Besides any terms and condition you have, which I can't really find them on any part of your website, any network, before accepting a site, first checks the site, the traffic. It decides if that specific site it's suitable for their audience/advertisers. On the other side, you accept without complaining about, so you and your company are directly responsible for the sites which join.

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The rules on how to get accepted are stated on BHW - traffic is not a requirement. I don't personally approve nor reject sites. Our uniqueness that we work with most sites including brand new, we don't check traffic. If we would, we wouldn't accept all sites.

Meddie said:

As I side note, as my partner @Veil123 mentioned earlier, we do not change anything on our site structure in all this period, can be checked via waybackmachine/google cache and related.

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Content or layout changes are irrelevant and not relaed to the invalid traffic activity. Invalid traffic activity doesn't always mean bot, while I assume it was, it could be other things like tricking users to click on the ad.

Meddie said:

For example, a real one: After you ban us, we applied to AdTrhive, and they do not accept because on the other site, the moneytizer does, and we are pretty fine. Let's not talk about AdSense or others, as everyone knows that.

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I don't understand the what you trying to say. What AdThrive has to do with this, except confirming my point by rejecting your application? AdThrive has similar way of working as we do, so I understand why they could made such a decision.

Meddie said:

Point 2: From basic blogs to high-end businesses, they have a real address(or not at all) + legal pages on the footer (see BHW footer for example); I am not gonna lie, but I don't remember I've seen your terms even one time, on the footer are followings: A LinkedIn icon which is not going anywhere, "Support" and "Contact us" which referring to a basic contact form. I double-check everything again; I can't find the terms. Please share the URL of the terms, please; why is it hidden?

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Without accepting the ToS you wouldn't be able to register. The home page of the site is separate from the actual platform, while the platform won't let you register unless you accept the terms, which you have accepted. I don't see what ToS has to do with invalid traffic activity, but it's common sense that nobody benefits from this.

I understand you checking your cards: Can I say I didn't accept ToS? Can I say the company is illegitimate? Can I say nobody got paid? Can I try to undermine their authority in the eyes of the community?

The answer to each thought above is a - no. The fact you are stirring conversation into a different direction make me think the invalid traffic activity claim is not baseless.

Meddie said:

Point 3: Article 4(from the screenshot because I can't find the page with terms, I tried to search even on Google, not sure where is the page actually), it's not relevant to us, we do not do any of that, our traffic is organic, I guarantee with my right hand, I do SEO for it, I can prove to you, or anyone interested in this dispute by giving personal access to our analytics + showing rankings in search consoles of Google and Bing.

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ToS is not something that we promote or advertise, it's not indexed in Google, we don't have to show it on the home page. We live in 21st century, not 10th, specifically to avoid cutting guaranteed hands, the payment was blocked by the buying partners, thus we didn't get it, therefore there's nothing to pay you. The guarantees you provided are just words, pictures. Considering you are the first case in the past 12 months, I do think there could be an issue with your site.

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Point 4: You mention you have a network, but in Slack chat, you said 95% of traffic is invalid according to which advertisers because I also remember you said 90% of your ads are shown by Google ONLY? Can we see, after long waiting in vain, how all your advertisers say this? I am fascinated curious about how the networks say exactly 95% of traffic is invalid. You still own us 5% if we count every penny.

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You received email with the same wording it was sent to us, there's nothing fascinating about it. If there is a suspicion that small % invalid traffic activity took place, the payment can be partially released, if % is high it's not released at all, this is not our decision. You are not entitled to the 5% of the payment.

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Point 5: Can we see reports of earnings for our site from all the advertiser platforms, please.

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You have the access to your dashboard where all the data is provided, there is no other data we can share beyond that.

Meddie said:

Point 6: Basically, if any 3rd party advertiser complains about a site, you just ban that specific site?
What if is a false report? You do not have control over your network? Explain please to understand better how your network works because we know how a normal network does only.

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No, we don't work with advertisers, you keep repeating this, but I urge you to understand - we don't deal with advertisers, we deal with publishers.

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Point 7: The first day you blocked our payments and mentioned the advertisers ban us, we did 260+ USD in 24h+. Can you explain how it's possible that? Because if someone blocks a domain, the ads don't appear anymore. You mentioned on Slack it's the cache, but it's impossible. Unfortunately, I can not share screenshots because you ban us there as well.

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The dashboard reports on the ad requests, not actual ads, this means it would continue counting requests even if there is no actual impression.

Meddie said:

Point 8: You told me to share with your partner proof of traffic, which I did in minutes, but even today, we don't receive an answer., been few weeks; this is how it works?

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If you didn't hear back from my partner, there is no response yet.

Meddie said:

Point 9: You will never see real traffic on a similar web, it's like looking on Ahrefs, that's an absurdity, but you should know better than.

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You can check here where SW gets their data. There is a reason why ad networks trust SW and don't trust GA.

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I let @Veil123 manage this just because I don`t have the patience, even the words on me to deal with you, I understand you like to play around with nice words, but as I mentioned earlier, I am not threatening you, it's a reality, as you can see. No need to say you have years of experience, neither how you publishers earn 10k a month, we are dealing with our issues, and why is bad to BHW because @Veil123 open the shitlist, it does not sound as professional, don't try to hide the dirt under the carpet, please.

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Veil doesn't have account with us, you do, thus, him opening the SH makes me only think that you want to hide behind mod status. I don't believe this is right, but I am happy to publicly discuss the issue as I am open about it. It is up to buyer partners to release publishers payment to us, if they do that, you will get it the same day, if not, even ban on BHW won't make you get it.

Meddie said:

ALL IN ALL: Prove you have control over your network and not 3rd parties, how all advertisers say we have invalid traffic, and how our traffic is fake/botted/invalid, that exactly 95%, should be easier if you have full control because the data and scripts will do the rest.

I can show in 2 minutes to any administrator for BHW my traffic is real, organic, legit. CAN YOU PROVE IT 'S NOT?

Please answer with proofs, not just words. Apologies if you find my questions irrelevant to you and my English level.

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What you can show today would be a different from a month or even week ago, thus it can't be used in court (shitlist), you can still do that. If you had issues then, you need to prove that you didn't have them at that time, not today. I run traffic filters and recording software on my sites, and I can provide dozen reports on traffic performance, sources, and even videos of each recorded visit. You provided with GA pictures, which tell nothing about the reality of the traffic. As much as I want to help, those stats are just words and numbers in this case. I don't need to prove anything, it's you who is in trouble for invalid traffic activity, not me.

Veil123 said:

You are the seller, we are the buyers, we bring traffic, you pay us. We are not getting paid by the networks directly but through your network/company.

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This is not a sell/buy service, this is a service where you earn money by performing on our platform. This might be not the best comparison, but if you didn't work, work badly, or cheated - you don't get the payment. The current situation is about cheating and it's not me cheating, but you. Understand this, I do not provide SEO services where you bought 10 links from me got 9 and want a refund for that 1 link. You didn't pay us, there is nothing to refund, but you didn't perform either, so you won't get paid for cheating, if our partners won't pay us.

Veil123 said:

You are responsible for what happens with your partners/advertisers.

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We are responsible for our publishers, and if our partners tell us to ban you, most likely that is what we will do as we depend on our demand partners.

Veil123 said:

If we are not supposed to depend on you then why would we join under your network/system?

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There are many reasons, to name a few - we provide an opportunity to run ads for the sites who couldn't do it without us; our ads are good and safe, there's no explicit content, we pay on CPM, we have no traffic requirements, we can accept sites with low contents, we can accept brand new sites, and hundred reasons more! Why you chose us? I assume because nobody wanted to work with your site?

Veil123 said:

It is not HIS website, its OURS.

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It is only his name on the account with us, not yours. The same way I can get SH from Karen or John Doe.

Veil123 said:

I never said anything about my position on BHW. I am opening this shitlist as a customer. I have the same rights as everyone else. And yes, you don't own us anything, your COMPANY does. We work with you and you work with your partners. They owe you, you owe us. I don't care whether you will pay us from your own pocket or you will sue/ask the advertisers to send you the money.

So, if you can't give us any evidence of our traffic being fake - you need to pay us.

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This is childish approach - So, if you can't give us any evidence of our traffic being fake - you need to pay us. I don't deal with this, I don't have to prove anything, the situation is quite opposite and you failed to provide any sense when we sent the request weeks ago. The system is perfectly controlled, however, we can't control invalid activity on your site, this is your responsibility.

Veil123 said:

If you can't control your own system and the partners/advertisers that you work with it is same as re-selling which is obviously not allowed (as per the marketplace rules).

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The BST was checked and approved by three other mods and it took over 6 months to go through. I believe BHW mods do thorough job here, and it makes me wonder, why you a brand new, but mod as well, think your colleagues don't. The BST doesn't sell anything, we don't accept money from users, there nothing being resold.

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Again, the BST thread was opened by your own Jr.VIP account. YOU are responsible for your service and also, weren't you the CEO of the company?

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Yes, I am responsible to let you know if there are issues, and it worked perfectly - you knew about the issue before I did.
I am not responsible for payments when one party doesn't release them. I really don't believe that a multi-billion dollar buying partners would want to scam you, but I would believe the opposite. It is you who responsible for the quality and performance of your traffic nobody else has control on what is happening on your site.

Veil123 said:

Ouch. 72.776 visitors from August to October according to SW, lets see: 72.776 out of 350.000 is 20.79%. Even if our traffic is fake as you say and SW data is accurate, your email says that we had 95% invalid traffic and according to the image above: 5% valid traffic (your email) is not 20.79 (SW data). Yup, you are wrong.

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You can argue on %, but I am sure you would agree that 80% of fraud is enough to ban any site.

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Each of our posts answers the searching query for each visitor. The bounce rate is above 75% as people get what they search for (X user lands on the post, he then clicks the link and he is then redirected to the external link that he was searching for). Each of our posts are with no more than 300 words (and some people don't even read they just go to the final source through the link). But you already knew this, didn't you?

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I saw after Meddie shared GA pics, that's why I decided to check SW as the stats didn't look good to me and I wanted to get better picture from SW, but it showed much worse results.

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Obey the rules? I don't see any rules. If we wanted to work with AdSense we would not have joined your network. You are not AdSense but Hooligan Media. I don't care what the other networks do, we cared what you do as we worked with you - and not them.

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You shoul've read more carefully our BST that clearly states who we are and what we do:



It literally says 'Google' and 'AdSense'. Again, it was Meddie who applied, not you, I don't believe you're the right person to talk to, because of the misunderstandings like that.

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Not true. I know people that are still members there but they have NEVER used your network. They just joined and have never placed a single AD on their website.

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I don't see how is this relevant? Inactive account means that user is not active on the Slack, not using it and not loggin in. I do not deal with invites or deactivations, and yes, we dealt with issue where approved members shared links with other users who aren't registered with Hooligan. Slack & Hooligan are not interconnected, the invite link comes with the approval email and it's not unique.

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Don't worry. We have ALL the data from day 1 (Google analytics, bing and google console, ahrefs - ranked keywords as well as their monthly search volume, WP statistics - with IPs from our visitors, etc...). We didn't see a SINGLE report from your side stating how is our traffic considered a fake.

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We don't monitor your traffic, we monitor ads, all our reports are accessible on the dashboard.

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We don't need to add any traffic filters as we KNOW that our traffic is organic and clean. We have never bought a single visitor.

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The fact that you know something doesn't necessarily state its the truth. The tools mentioned are used specifically to ensure traffic quality, just 'knowing' something won't get you far.

Veil123 said:

Again, the site does not belongs to Meddie only. I am not using the mod status as an excuse at all. As I previously said, I have the same rights as everyone else.

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Meddie is the only account holder with us, not you, he said that the site belongs to him. There is his name only, so I treat him as a site owner and the publisher.

Veil123 said:

This will be my last reply here as I don't have anything else to add to this shitlist. We have the data and proof that our traffic is organic and clean. Google analytics, bing and google webmasters console data, ahrefs, WP statistics... - you name it.

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Wise decision, I believe we both had our time to communicate.

I guess this discussion will never end, also I don`t want to keep people busy, let's keep it simple: We can show proofs, can you please do as well?

Once you show proofs, all good for us, personally, I don`t mind, I just hate to waste time and repeating myself. If not, you are a scammer from my point of view.
Thanks!

Meddie said:

I guess this discussion will never end, also I don`t want to keep people busy, let's keep it simple: We can show proofs, can you please do as well?

Once you show proofs, all good for us, personally, I don`t mind, I just hate to waste time and repeating myself.

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I agree, let's keep it simple: read carefully and don't repeat yourself. It's not me who has to provide the proof, but you, I am not responsible for your traffic or its activity. You were sent a notification about your site, the pictures you provided to us as proof were sent as a response to the notification.

I did find one proof, and I shared it above, this doesn't look good for you, so it wasn't added to the response.

Meddie said:

If not, you are a scammer from my point of view.
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This:

Society Girl said:

Please remain professional as name calling, insults, tu quoque, and ad hominem will not be tolerated.

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Wrong, you refuse to show proofs.

At the time you said that you find similarweb.com data accurate, we all realise many things.

Please don't force me to reply again if you don't come with something other than words.

I am just waiting @Society Girl to read and advice accordingly.

You share no proof yet.

Thank you.

So after reading all of the above twice, I'm now waiting for that final bit of proof from @se900se and then a screenshare with @Veil123 before making my decision.

Society Girl said:

So after reading all of the above twice, I'm now waiting for that final bit of proof from @se900se and then a screenshare with @Veil123 before making my decision.

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The email & TOS is provided as you requested.
Thanks

Meddie said:

Wrong, you refuse to show proofs.

At the time you said that you find similarweb.com data accurate, we all realise many things.

Please don't force me to reply again if you don't come with something other than words.

I am just waiting @Society Girl to read and advice accordingly.

You share no proof yet.

Thank you.

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What proof? The email that you got? You attached it yourself.

@se900se You said "If you didn't hear back from my partner, there is no response yet."


I want this information.

Society Girl said:

@se900se You said "If you didn't hear back from my partner, there is no response yet."


I want this information.

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There is no response from the buying partners yet. We sent another request last week (Meddie was notified about that in PM), once it comes in, Meddie will get email right away. If I know the answer faster, I will post it here. The next week is the end of the month, so I expect to get response on the situation will come along with the other notifications by then.

se900se said:

There is no response from the buying partners yet. We sent another request last week (Meddie was notified about that in PM), once it comes in, Meddie will get email right away. If I know the answer faster, I will post it here. The next week is the end of the month, so I expect to get response on the situation will come along with the other notifications by then.

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Awesome, once ready, kindly share here, no need to email me, I am not interested anymore to collaborate with you, we just want to solve this issue once for all so further people to not fall into the same troubles, as publishers (us) or the seller (you). That's the whole point of the shitlist core.

We asked a few big networks with years of history in the industry (top tier ones) and they said you should check the sites first, not approve them randomly. You and your company, as an entity, are directly responsible if the publisher sends real organic traffic to pay them, you have just one job: earnings, assuming you are not a reseller. They know better than us, I take their words as legit, I can prove if requested, but not on public view as I don`t want to make free advertising.

We also add some custom tracking for keywords besides Ahrefs and search consoles especially for this case, to check daily our rankings in search engines, if @Society Girl wants to see where our traffic comes from, we can share anytime on up to 5 different platforms including official ones from Google and Bing, not just Google Analytics as we all know can be manipulated, but search consoles. I am an open book when comes to my part of the proof, on the other side, as mentioned before, @se900se does not show any kind of proof since 3 weeks.

Side note: You don't notify me, I contact you after we get banned in Slack out of the blue (assuming you make a false affirmation saying all not active publishers gets banned, I prove it few replies before), and been 2 weeks with not a single word or final report, it's a big difference, you play nice with words, congratulation for that. This also can be seen in my PM history.

I will wait for the confirmation report from your main seller, Google, and also the others ones, after 3 weeks, can be 1 more, no rush from our end, remember, we work with proofs, not with words here.
Thank you!

Meddie said:

Awesome, once ready, kindly share here, no need to email me, I am not interested anymore to collaborate with you, we just want to solve this issue once for all so further people to not fall into the same troubles, as publishers (us) or the seller (you). That's the whole point of the shitlist core.

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I don’t believe continuing working is an option anymore. You just waiting for the response at the moment. Please note: no other publishers have problems, no other users has contributed to this thread, you are the only one who has fake traffic/issues with invalid activity.

The point of this shit list to show that we have no problems as exchange and can handle our publishers even if they cheat.

Again, you are the only publisher with the issue.

Meddie said:

We asked a few big networks with years of history in the industry (top tier ones) and they said you should check the sites first, not approve them randomly. You and your company, as an entity, are directly responsible if the publisher sends real organic traffic to pay them, you have just one job: earnings, assuming you are not a reseller. They know better than us, I take their words as legit, I can prove if requested, but not on public view as I don`t want to make free advertising.

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I don’t see how this related to the current situation of invalid traffic activity on your site. Our internal process of approval is not under the question here, the fraud on your site is. I understand you trying to stir conversation away from the fraud on your site, but as I mentioned above, the traffic is not a requirement. Traffic quantity, quality, and management is publisher responsibility, and out of our control.

Meddie said:

We also add some custom tracking for keywords besides Ahrefs and search consoles especially for this case, to check daily our rankings in search engines, if @Society Girl wants to see where our traffic comes from, we can share anytime on up to 5 different platforms including official ones from Google and Bing, not just Google Analytics as we all know can be manipulated, but search consoles. I am an open book when comes to my part of the proof, on the other side, as mentioned before, @se900se does not show any kind of proof since 3 weeks.

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When we asked for the traffic data to submit something you only sent us GA. Weeks passed, I understand you made something to change the situation since then.

I don’t need to show any proof, you do, and you did. If you had all those stats three weeks ago when requested, why didn’t you sent them and waited till today? Doesn’t make sense to me. My colleague asked for any traffic data three weeks ago so he can submit it as response, but you failed to send anything expect GA pictures. SW showed even worse data on the traffic when I did my research.

Meddie said:

Side note: You don't notify me, I contact you after we get banned in Slack out of the blue, and been 2 weeks with not a single word or final report, it's a big difference, you play nice with words, congratulation for that.

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We spoke on Slack on 5th, our conversation on BHW was on 10th. I have the screenshots of our BHW PM conversation with date stamp, pease don’t lie that it’s been weeks. You received response the same hour you sent pm.

You got our email, my PM, all means to get in touch...please don’t lie you were ignored, we got proof you were supported in any way possible.

se900se said:

I don’t believe continuing working is an option anymore. You just waiting for the response at the moment. Please note: no other publishers have problems, no other users has contributed to this thread, you are the only one who has fake traffic/issues with invalid activity.

The point of this shit list to show that we have no problems as exchange and can handle our publishers even if they cheat.

Again, you are the only publisher with the issue.

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Your BHW thread is 3.5 months old. Of course that there won't be a lot of people with issues as you don't have that many users with 8k+ visitors a day. This month's payments were probably the first one that you ever did

Edit: Oh, I almost forgot: There are few other people that reached to us and shared some info about how you treated them but I won't mentioned their names or anything as you might kick them out of your network as you did with @Stuffedegg after we mentioned him above.

se900se said:

I don’t see how this related to the current situation of invalid traffic activity on your site. Our internal process of approval is not under the question here, the fraud on your site is. I understand you trying to stir conversation away from the fraud on your site, but as I mentioned above, the traffic is not a requirement. Traffic quantity, quality, and management is publisher responsibility, and out of our control.

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We are frauds and cheaters? So unprofessional from your side. Is this how you treat your ex and current publishers?

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When we asked for the traffic data to submit something you only sent us GA. Weeks passed, I understand you made something to change the situation since then.

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Again, our GA traffic match with any other tool that we have thus we didn't have to send anything else to you or your partner.
And how can we 'do' something to change the situation? As far as I know, I can't change the data from the consoles, GA, ahrefs, serprobot, semrush...

se900se said:

I don’t need to show any proof, you do, and you did. If you had all those stats three weeks ago when requested, why didn’t you sent them and waited till today? Doesn’t make sense to me. My colleague asked for any traffic data three weeks ago so he can submit it as response, but you failed to send anything expect GA pictures. SW showed even worse data on the traffic when I did my research.

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You are the one that has to provide proof that we are not being scammed by your company and/or your 'partners', not the opposite. You didn't even take a look at what we sent as if you did, you would have known that we sent a video - not pictures. SW and other similar tools that does not have direct access to our site (tags, scripts, DNS records, etc...) CAN'T BE CONSIDERED AS PROOF!

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We spoke on Slack on 5th, our conversation on BHW was on 10th. I have the screenshots of our BHW PM conversation with date stamp, pease don’t lie that it’s been weeks. You received response the same hour you sent pm.

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We spoke on 5th of November, correct. Today is Nov 21. So, 2 weeks and 2 days. @Meddie is correct, IT'S BEEN WEEKS and we still didn't get ANY response from your partner (not even that he received and forwarded the email/video).

In addition to that, you never told us what we need to deliver. 'Please send any proof that you can' was your help. You had direct access to our site through the AD scripts that were running on our site. If you can't provide a valid proof WITH A DIRECT ACCESS to our site, how can you tell us that we are 'bad for business'? If your system/network don't have the tools to check the quality of the traffic that is not our problem. I am highly recommending you to join some bigger and more responsible networks to learn how they handle their publishers and the traffic.

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You got our email, my PM, all means to get in touch...please don’t lie you were ignored, we got proof you were supported in any way possible.

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Correct, you always responded to our questions but you never provided any helpful solution/proof about the problem.

The account registered with us is in Medies name, you don’t have the account with us, the site doesn’t belong to you, we have no agreements with you, but with Meddie.

I respond out of respect, however, I don’t believe you are part of the situation, and you’re using your mod-presence as a tool.

Veil123 said:

Your BHW thread is 3.5 months old. Of course that there won't be a lot of people with issues as you don't have that many users with 8k+ visitors a day. This month's payments were probably the first one that you ever did

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That’s correct, the thread is fairly new, but we’re operating for over a year now and there are other users and their journey threads where they share details of their payments. There were BHW users that joined us way before the thread was approved.

I can tag those users and even ask them to provide proof of payments.

Please, no need to paint the picture that we have issues with publishers, you are the only one who has fraudulent activity on your site. Traffic on publishers site is a publishers responsibility and out of our control.

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Again, our GA traffic match with any other tool that we have thus we didn't have to send anything else to you or your partner.
And how can we 'do' something to change the situation? As far as I know, I can't change the data from the consoles, GA, ahrefs, serprobot, semrush...

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GA is what you provided us when you were requested to provide something on traffic, what you sent us, was used as a response.

GA tracks all traffic, it doesn’t show the traffic validity. Not saying that you did, but all GA data can be manipulated, however, it is not up to me to decide, your info was passed the same way it was provided by you.

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We spoke on 5th of November, correct. Today is Nov 21. So, 2 weeks and 2 days. @Meddie is correct, IT'S BEEN WEEKS and we still didn't get ANY response from your partner (not even that he received and forwarded the email/video).

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Meddie claimed you were ignored, that’s not true you - every time you sent a message we responded immediately.

There is no update on your situation and you were told so. Yes, my colleague didn’t respond after sending initial email on the violation, we already exchanged hundreds of messages, I notified you about second request the we sent - there is nothing to add until there is response.

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In addition to that, you never told us what we need to deliver. 'Please send any proof that you can' was your help. You had direct access to our site through the AD scripts that were running on our site. If you can't provide a valid proof WITH A DIRECT ACCESS to our site, how can you tell us that we are 'bad for business'? If your system/network don't have the tools to check the quality of the traffic that is not our problem. I am highly recommending you to join some bigger and more responsible networks to learn how they handle their publishers and the traffic.

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You contradicting yourself - first you say I didn’t tell you anything and then you quoted my message where I did exactly that.

No, ad tags don’t give us any access to your site, the ad tag makes send request to the ad server to pull the as, but it doesn’t provide any kind of access to your site.

No we don’t use me have any tools to check quality of the publishers traffic. Like AdSense or any other ad network, we don’t track or check your traffic. The traffic quality is publisher responsibility.

The ToS states that traffic is publishers responsibility. Traffic quality and filtering is a different type of business, this is not something that we do or claimed we do. Please, check our BST it doesn’t say anything about traffic checking.

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Correct, you always responded to our questions but you never provided any helpful solution/proof about the problem.

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I am open, helping and caring, but I can only do what I can do. You’re not the only publisher I have to take care of, there are many daily tasks I need to attend.

So what I understand from your amazing arrogance:

I am a liar because I catch you make false affirmations more than once.
I manipulate Google/Bing search result, basically, I change rankings for 3 months ago, that's next level SEO, ranking in the past (I need a Nobel prize for that)

You refuse to show proofs because you don`t have any.
You say @Veil123 manipulate BHW because of his position, BHW is also manipulated now.
You have the right to not answer the shitlist just because you want to. You MUST answer, it's a difference.
You blame us because we share Google Analytics as per your request, after 3 weeks, that's the only reason you delay the inevitable, but you never asked for more.
We are the only ones who claim about your network when actually people send me a PM saying very bad words about you and your network.

You don`t have time to check our site and to complain to the networks they ban us for no reason = you are a basic small reseller; more than that, you basically take no responsibility for anything. What exactly you do if you don't mind?

You find Similar Web god of research, above that, does not exists other tools, that define all your skills about this field in 1 sentence.
Let me explain to you briefly: Similar Web, Alexa, Ahrefs, SEMRush, or whatever tool you name it does the following:

• Crawl google/bing/others results
• Estimate the volume/clicks of keywords in the top 100
• With a simple math formula made differently by that specific site, it shows X or Y site have Z number of UV by their rankings on that specific crawl time.
• Estimate roughly A site has B visits a month.

Rocket science, ah?

Besides that, if your segment of the niche it's not often crawled, it shows whatever data crawls in the past. That does not reflect the reality for a site which are favored by Google/Bing from day 1 to day 2, assuming we rank for mass keywords, not just a few, our traffic grows from 0 to 4000 UV a day in just a couple of days. I invite you to check the top 5 ones in the market and tell me if they show reality.

In the end, you can check your keywords in search engines by any basic keyword tracking.
I hope you understand that now once for all because coaching it's not allowed on BHW.

I finally understand who I am dealing with here and I have nothing else to say, speaking with someone who doesn't know basics about a random tool but trying to talk about Ad fraud systems. You can even swear to me if you want to, you are just funny to me at this point.

Please don't put words in my mouth saying I am done with you, I am not until you don't prove to @Society Girl we are wrong.

I bag you don't waste anymore all our energy, bring proofs, the case will be closed, simple.
Bye-bye