New website uses expired domain name question

[robin222]

I want to build a new e-commerce website, but I have not found a suitable expired domain name.
Should I continue searching? Or use a new domain name?

 

[GrizzlyBeardMan]

Personally for an e-commerce store/business I'd go for branding, so would use a new domain with a name of my choice. Then you can find good auction domains with relevant backlinks for your niche and turn them into PBNs for your e-commerce website.

 

[robin222]

Personally for an e-commerce store/business I'd go for branding, so would use a new domain with a name of my choice. Then you can find good auction domains with relevant backlinks for your niche and turn them into PBNs for your e-commerce website.

It is a personal website, not a company brand website.
I am worried that the new domain name will enter the observation period of Google, and the keywords of the new domain name will not be ranked for a long time.

 

[Blogsmith]

The strategy I use in such a case is that I get a new branded domain name. Set up my site on it. Side by side I search for a HQ valuable domain name with existing live backlinks especially a combination of NF and DF backlinks from domains with DR 80+ and then assign the new domain on the DNS management side of the expired to give a 301 redirection to it.

it’s my personal experience that the rise in SERPS is fasterfor the new domain when this method is applied

 

[robin222]

The strategy I use in such a case is that I get a new branded domain name. Set up my site on it. Side by side I search for a HQ valuable domain name with existing live backlinks especially a combination of NF and DF backlinks from domains with DR 80+ and then assign the new domain on the DNS management side of the expired to give a 301 redirection to it.

it’s my personal experience that the rise in SERPS is fasterfor the new domain when this method is applied

You mean to build a website with a new domain name, and then buy expired domain names with a large number of high-quality RDs, and do 301 redirects, right?

 

[Blogsmith]

You mean to build a website with a new domain name, and then buy expired domain names with a large number of high-quality RDs, and do 301 redirects, right?

Yeah! Ensure that the links emerging from the sites with DA and DR are Largely DF. Sites like Wikipedia and many others just allow NF links.... that’s good too BUT you won’t get the link juice in terms of giving your site a boost. So, do spend time on your research and find domains which are having HQ DF links too from properties with DR 80 and above.

 

[robin222]

Yeah! Ensure that the links emerging from the sites with DA and DR are Largely DF. Sites like Wikipedia and many others just allow NF links.... that’s good too BUT you won’t get the link juice in terms of giving your site a boost. So, do spend time on your research and find domains which are having HQ DF links too from properties with DR 80 and above.

Can use 301 redirects for new websites that are 3 months old? Would it be dangerous?

 

[GrizzlyBeardMan]

I am worried that the new domain name will enter the observation period of Google, and the keywords of the new domain name will not be ranked for a long time.

That is where the second part of what I said comes in. But get auction not expired domains. 301 redirects can also be done, but it's more hit or miss. Building the auction domain into a PBN is a safer bet and has more benefits to it.

 

[robin222]

That is where the second part of what I said comes in. But get auction not expired domains. 301 redirects can also be done, but it's more hit or miss. Building the auction domain into a PBN is a safer bet and has more benefits to it.

clearly, thanks

 

[itz_styx]

That is where the second part of what I said comes in. But get auction not expired domains. 301 redirects can also be done, but it's more hit or miss. Building the auction domain into a PBN is a safer bet and has more benefits to it.

i agree with the PBN part, but there is not much difference of auction domains and expired domains, unless you buy the auction domain including the website.

 

[Triton91]

Can use 301 redirects for new websites that are 3 months old? Would it be dangerous?

Why would it? What does an internet marketer do? Spread the word. Build backlinks as soon as possible. So no, it does not matter when you start building backlinks, the quality of those links matter.

 

[GrizzlyBeardMan]

there is not much difference of auction domains and expired domains

A lot to say about this, but won't get into much detail. In short, expired domains are usually weak. The ones who have authority and a lot of links in most cases are trash and have been spammed to death and the amount of good expired domains that are available for registration is slim. Auction domains on the other hand not only come with great links, but they also keep their index age as they have not dropped. It is a BIG difference between the two when you are looking for good PBN or Money site domains.

 

[itz_styx]

A lot to say about this, but won't get into much detail. In short, expired domains are usually weak. The ones who have authority and a lot of links in most cases are trash and have been spammed to death and the amount of good expired domains that are available for registration is slim. Auction domains on the other hand not only come with great links, but they also keep their index age as they have not dropped. It is a BIG difference between the two when you are looking for good PBN or Money site domains.

you can find good expired domains, especially if you watch them in the grace period and can register them when they drop.
then you still have indexed links in google.
with auction domains you also have to be carefull as not all come with great links, but faked metrics since many people will just check ahrefs and similar metrics and think if they are high, then the domain is good. take DA for example its easy to fake, so thats what a lot of sellers do. however its completely useless for ranking in google as they have a completely different rating system.
there are a lot of garbage domains on auction sites too.
anyways, you can find good domains either as expired or as auction domains, but there is not a huge difference unless the expired domain expired years ago.

 

[GrizzlyBeardMan]

you can find good expired domains, especially if you watch them in the grace period and can register them when they drop.
then you still have indexed links in google.
with auction domains you also have to be carefull as not all come with great links, but faked metrics since many people will just check ahrefs and similar metrics and think if they are high, then the domain is good. take DA for example its easy to fake, so thats what a lot of sellers do. however its completely useless for ranking in google as they have a completely different rating system.
there are a lot of garbage domains on auction sites too.
anyways, you can find good domains either as expired or as auction domains, but there is not a huge difference unless the expired domain expired years ago.

When was the last time you found an expired domain that was clean with clean anchors, had an RD of 100+ with good links, top tld, not used as pbn before, not chinese, abused, etc.?

 

[itz_styx]

actually yesterday .com with great backlink profile (over 100k) majority with anchors that match the niche or plain url, DA 67 and more than 1k urls still indexed in google.
they are out there, you just have to look
i scan for expired domains constantly in different niches, not using sites that list them, that way you can find some that aren't listed anywhere yet.

 

[GrizzlyBeardMan]

actually yesterday .com with great backlink profile (over 100k) majority with anchors that match the niche or plain url, DA 67 and more than 1k urls still indexed in google.
they are out there, you just have to look
i scan for expired domains constantly in different niches, not using sites that list them, that way you can find some that aren't listed anywhere yet.

Look @Nargil, such domains are out there free to register. Easy to find.

 

[Nargil]

actually yesterday .com with great backlink profile (over 100k) majority with anchors that match the niche or plain url, DA 67 and more than 1k urls still indexed in google.
they are out there, you just have to look
i scan for expired domains constantly in different niches, not using sites that list them, that way you can find some that aren't listed anywhere yet.

I can assure you, with 99% certainty, that if that domain is top TLD, as in com net org, it has been abused twice over and/or spammed to death.

And due to nature of things, ti has absolutely been listed on expireddomains.net at some point, or somewhere else.

Regarding grace period and dropcatching - You will never catch anything worth a bother. The companies you are competing against make living out of this. And unless you are registrar by yourself, you are already in an uphill battle due to much higher latency.

There were half a dozen people over the years who claimed that they are regularly getting this kind of domains. And they have always been sheer and utter crap. So unless you have discovered an absolutely miraculous technique, which I doubt you did, then you just do not know how to check them properly or have very very low spam filters.

If domain like this were relatively easy to find, people wouldn't be spending thousands on domain auctions.

Also, I have list of every top TLD domain, including info an some others, ever registered up to 2019. I go through 4 - 5 million of them a month. If this kind of domains passed at least some of my initial spam filters, I can assure you, I would have them.

If these domains work for you, fine by me, but let's not confuse the newbies by these statements. I am tired of explaining what a decent domain is day in, day out.

Also, if you have any domain that you a re not using, feel free to share it publicly, I will gladly dissect it.

 

[itz_styx]

I can assure you, with 99% certainty, that if that domain is top TLD, as in com net org, it has been abused twice over and/or spammed to death.

there are millions of domains, not all have previously been spammed to death, even if its a top TLD.

And due to nature of things, ti has absolutely been listed on expireddomains.net at some point, or somewhere else.

can be, but some also haven't been on expireddomains.net

Regarding grace period and dropcatching - You will never catch anything worth a bother. The companies you are competing against make living out of this. And unless you are registrar by yourself, you are already in an uphill battle due to much higher latency.

i know its not easy, but i've did it before a few times. of course you have to automate it with a script and registrar API, manually its hard.

There were half a dozen people over the years who claimed that they are regularly getting this kind of domains. And they have always been sheer and utter crap. So unless you have discovered an absolutely miraculous technique, which I doubt you did, then you just do not know how to check them properly or have very very low spam filters.

well maybe these people where right, i doubt that everyone but you just finds crappy domains.

If domain like this were relatively easy to find, people wouldn't be spending thousands on domain auctions.

nobody said its easy to find, but they are out there. you just have to put some effort into finding them.

Also, I have list of every top TLD domain, including info an some others, ever registered up to 2019. I go through 4 - 5 million of them a month. If this kind of domains passed at least some of my initial spam filters, I can assure you, I would have them.

i also have access to zone files... anyways i doubt you are the onlyone who can register good domains, you make it look like everybody is an idiot and only you can find good domains lol
i mean seriously you make it seem like its so super hard to find good expired domains, while its possible if you just put some effort into it.
i get it you made a service out of it, so you want to sell your domains and dont have anyone else just try to find them on their own, but rather just purchase them for you, of course you have to act like its super hard and nobody but you can do it properly

If these domains work for you, fine by me, but let's not confuse the newbies by these statements. I am tired of explaining what a decent domain is day in, day out.
Also, if you have any domain that you a re not using, feel free to share it publicly, I will gladly dissect it.

i'm not confusing anyone, i'm just saying its possible to find good expired domains thats all. not more not less and i stand by that statement. you don't have to get so defensive about it.
i won't share any of my domains with you that i use and i also don't have to proof anything to you. people can just try it out themselfs and see.
of course manually it won't work, but with the right tools you can find good expired domains without having to go through auction sites and pay hundreds or thousands.

 

[Nargil]

Yes, I believe that now I have a pretty good idea about the "quality" and spam/abuse check of the domains you are getting.

Pretty much what I wrote in the post before. No need for any further conversation.

 

[itz_styx]

believe whatever you wan't, i couldn't care less, since i know you are wrong and why you act so defensive