Looking for a way to "spam" - got a big email list.

[yasso90]

Dear fellow blackhatters,

Please read this till the end.

I've been "black hatting" for the last 3 years with "some" success. However the spam game has gotten harder & harder, as gmail & others has improved their spam filters throughout time. That's why I hope some of you can share some light & wisdom over this topic, which has been up TONS of times on BHW.

On every thread here, a lot of sites has been mentioned that "might" work (and yes I've tried them all, almost!).

I've bought mutiple domains on godaddy to try things out, and I probably own 20-30 domains as we speak, most of them are blacklisted for spamming (I think, since every email ends in spam).

Here is a list of SMTP providers I've tried & other services as well without any luck;
- Mailchimp
- Amazon
- Mailgun
- Sendgrid
- Authmailer
- Sendinblue
- Mailget bolt
- Mailjet
- Socketlabs
- Mandrill
- Postmark
- GetResponse
- AWeber
- FRESHMAIL
- SimplyCast
- Sparkpost
- Mailer lite

I might have missed some, but these I remember clearly.
Just to clarify, some of them I tried their free trials & some of them paid - so yes I've lost a couple of $ trying & testing out things

Usually what I do is ;
- Create a domain.
- Get a SMTP server
- Verify & connect SMTP and Domain.
- Warming up IP.
- Start sending.
I know how to warm up the IP's etc. BUT still my mails end up in SPAM.

Also for example, some of the services are not connected to a SMTP server that I bought (such as mailchimp).

I also know that cleaning my list is essential (and this is done as well - bounce rate is under 3% for the emails that I manage to send before ending in spam). Last report is 47.000 sent & bounce ratio 2,31%

Went to the dark web to get some spam software, all fake and waste of money

So all in all I've tried a LOT of options.

I'm looking for some advice/step by step guide, once and for all on how to be able to hit inboxes with a big email list - a bulletproof method would be appreciated (if that's even possible in 2017-2018)....

As you can imagine I lost a dollar or two trying things out... So I'm willing to pay for some good info (payment in crypto though) once I can see that the method is working.

I have a feeling that some of you do know how to do it, since I keep getting email from some companies that I've marked as spam TONS of times, but they still manage to hit my inbox....

Just in advance; Do not PM me with methods that will cost 1000+ USD to use. I'm looking for a method that has a reasonable price.

Thank you & I wish you all a blessed holiday
- Sorry for the typos!

 

[Mark Eternally]

Of course, your mileage may vary with this, but it has worked fairly well for me when my list is under 50k email recipients. More than 50k and this gets bulky.

I did not see Google on your list.

• Have a list of maybe 10 email addresses that you can receive email at, for instance, go make 10 microsoft accounts or something.
  
• Purchase Google Apps, or whatever their service is called these days ... G Suite, for a single domain.
• Lookup Google's Sending Limits. https://support.google.com/a/answer/166852?hl=en
• Divide your list by the sending limit you want to stay under. So, if you have a list with 20k addresses, and your limit is 2k, then 20k / 2k = 10. Now, create 10 accounts in this new domain. (You will have 11 accounts total at this point.) Each account will cost you whatever Google's going rate is, but it should be a minor investment, and of course calculated into your expected Return On Investment. I recommend you keep them similar in format, such as [email protected], [email protected], et cetera. Then, create a 12th test account. (Do not use your primary account ... no need to get it blocked or banned.)
  
• Break your list into the above figured groups. So, if 10, then make ten groups of two-thousand. You can refine this, as sometimes you may want to break the groups into slightly smaller amounts. This may also provide you with an opportunity to do some testing, by which I mean, if you want to put all the gmail recipients into one group, and yahoo recipients into another, you may find that works better. If you want to change the message slightly, this is a great place to group your recipients based on message.
  
• You can either use GMail, Inbox, or a third party SMTP based application like Thunderbird for sending your e-mails. I personally use Thunderbird with a mail merge type of Add-on, this way each email is personalized, and the recipient is in the TO field. Be sure to setup the reply-to settings, and so forth. Draft your message, test it with your test account. Do not send to your recipients for testing. Use your other email addresses for testing. You want to test what the emails look like, and where the emails land (inbox, spam, etc.).
• Be sure to include some type of automated unsubscribe option. A manual unsubscribe option would create more work for you. Your unsubscribe option could just be a simple page linked to from your messages where the user has to input their email address, and it saves it to either a text file or other database. You then just grab that list before you broadcast emails and wipe the unsubscribes. (Perhaps do not delete them but rather hold onto them for some other mass email messages.)

Something else to consider is to find an ISP that you can work with, and setup your own server. Make sure to get a static IP address. The problem here is that you will need to monitor and wrestle with blacklists.

I highly recommend you pay attention to how like hosts treat their own email. By this I mean, is Google less likely to classify your email as spam if it is from a google controlled domain? Maybe Google is less likely to classify your email as spam if it is from somewhere else? If you know how each of your recipients' mail service handles mail, and perhaps gives preferential treatment, that could get you out of the spam folder/tag.

I am curious to know any feedback you may have if you try this.

 

[yasso90]

Of course, your mileage may vary with this, but it has worked fairly well for me when my list is under 50k email recipients. More than 50k and this gets bulky.

I did not see Google on your list.

I am curious to know any feedback you may have if you try this.

Thank you for your time!

That's an interesting approach - but a bit messy. I get where you are going and it's smart for sure.
- However I'm not sure that google will allow me to create let's say 10 gmail account on top of the allready 7-8 that I have. So for that I'll have to rotate my IP for sure. Also to verify them will be a pain in the a**, as I'll need 10 phone numbers in your example.

I was hoping to get an "easier" way to do it, since I can't be only one strugling ?

But your suggestion is definately smart and will give it a try if nothing else pops up!

Do you use this approach youself with a 50K mailing list?

Thank you once again, and I'll let you know for sure if this will be my only option.

 

[Mark Eternally]

Thank you for your time!

I like this answer, because time is our most valuable resource.

That's an interesting approach - but a bit messy. I get where you are going and it's smart for sure.
- However I'm not sure that google will allow me to create let's say 10 gmail account on top of the allready 7-8 that I have. So for that I'll have to rotate my IP for sure. Also to verify them will be a pain in the a**, as I'll need 10 phone numbers in your example.

Yes, it is messy, but the idea is when other options are off the table.

Google will not complain about you creating 100 accounts, so long as you are paying them. These are not free accounts we are talking about, unless you are an org, or grandfathered in. These are paid G Suite accounts. https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html?tab_activeEl=tabset-companies

Do you use this approach youself with a 50K mailing list?

No, I use this if my mailing list has 49,999 or less. I do not have a lot of lists that are over 50k. The most active lists I use have around 30k-40k, and yes, I will use this method. The exception is that I have my bread and butter list which is currently between 10k-15k. I use other methods as well, mostly out of curiosity than anything else. But, so far, it works.

Thank you once again, and I'll let you know for sure if this will be my only option.

Cool. Either way, good luck.

 

[G0nzal0]

Of course, your mileage may vary with this, but it has worked fairly well for me when my list is under 50k email recipients. More than 50k and this gets bulky.

I did not see Google on your list.

• Have a list of maybe 10 email addresses that you can receive email at, for instance, go make 10 microsoft accounts or something.
  
• Purchase Google Apps, or whatever their service is called these days ... G Suite, for a single domain.
• Lookup Google's Sending Limits. https://support.google.com/a/answer/166852?hl=en
• Divide your list by the sending limit you want to stay under. So, if you have a list with 20k addresses, and your limit is 2k, then 20k / 2k = 10. Now, create 10 accounts in this new domain. (You will have 11 accounts total at this point.) Each account will cost you whatever Google's going rate is, but it should be a minor investment, and of course calculated into your expected Return On Investment. I recommend you keep them similar in format, such as [email protected], [email protected], et cetera. Then, create a 12th test account. (Do not use your primary account ... no need to get it blocked or banned.)
  
• Break your list into the above figured groups. So, if 10, then make ten groups of two-thousand. You can refine this, as sometimes you may want to break the groups into slightly smaller amounts. This may also provide you with an opportunity to do some testing, by which I mean, if you want to put all the gmail recipients into one group, and yahoo recipients into another, you may find that works better. If you want to change the message slightly, this is a great place to group your recipients based on message.
  
• You can either use GMail, Inbox, or a third party SMTP based application like Thunderbird for sending your e-mails. I personally use Thunderbird with a mail merge type of Add-on, this way each email is personalized, and the recipient is in the TO field. Be sure to setup the reply-to settings, and so forth. Draft your message, test it with your test account. Do not send to your recipients for testing. Use your other email addresses for testing. You want to test what the emails look like, and where the emails land (inbox, spam, etc.).
• Be sure to include some type of automated unsubscribe option. A manual unsubscribe option would create more work for you. Your unsubscribe option could just be a simple page linked to from your messages where the user has to input their email address, and it saves it to either a text file or other database. You then just grab that list before you broadcast emails and wipe the unsubscribes. (Perhaps do not delete them but rather hold onto them for some other mass email messages.)

Something else to consider is to find an ISP that you can work with, and setup your own server. Make sure to get a static IP address. The problem here is that you will need to monitor and wrestle with blacklists.

I highly recommend you pay attention to how like hosts treat their own email. By this I mean, is Google less likely to classify your email as spam if it is from a google controlled domain? Maybe Google is less likely to classify your email as spam if it is from somewhere else? If you know how each of your recipients' mail service handles mail, and perhaps gives preferential treatment, that could get you out of the spam folder/tag.

I am curious to know any feedback you may have if you try this.

Thank you so much for sharing this great method. I have a list of 30k and was wondering how to send them, will try this out.

 

[yasso90]

I like this answer, because time is our most valuable resource.

Yes, it is messy, but the idea is when other options are off the table.

Google will not complain about you creating 100 accounts, so long as you are paying them. These are not free accounts we are talking about, unless you are an org, or grandfathered in. These are paid G Suite accounts. https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html?tab_activeEl=tabset-companies

No, I use this if my mailing list has 49,999 or less. I do not have a lot of lists that are over 50k. The most active lists I use have around 30k-40k, and yes, I will use this method. The exception is that I have my bread and butter list which is currently between 10k-15k. I use other methods as well, mostly out of curiosity than anything else. But, so far, it works.


Cool. Either way, good luck.

Just wanted to upated you all - what I'm currently testing is the Paighambot (bullet proof email server) which is being sold here on BHW. The price is a bit more expensive than 10 x googles G suit users (it's 8 EURO per user per month, Paigeham Bullet Proof is 250 USD per month)- but seems this might be an easier way.
I will update this thread after trying their services.

Just to clarify I'm not affiliated in anyway with Paigeham. Their support have been very helpful so far.

Cheers!

 

[Mark Eternally]

I do not know Paigeham, but if they are listed here on BHW I would hope they are reputable. The key thing to keep in mind when sending out emails is, be very aware of with whom you are sharing your email list.

 

[yasso90]

I do not know Paigeham, but if they are listed here on BHW I would hope they are reputable. The key thing to keep in mind when sending out emails is, be very aware of with whom you are sharing your email list.

Their thread is getting great response.
Yes no doubt about that!

I'll get the SMTP credentials when things are in place, and I'll use atomic mail sender and blast directly from my pc. So the list will not be shared

 

[kommaihag]

Of course, your mileage may vary with this, but it has worked fairly well for me when my list is under 50k email recipients. More than 50k and this gets bulky.

I did not see Google on your list.

• Have a list of maybe 10 email addresses that you can receive email at, for instance, go make 10 microsoft accounts or something.
  
• Purchase Google Apps, or whatever their service is called these days ... G Suite, for a single domain.
• Lookup Google's Sending Limits. https://support.google.com/a/answer/166852?hl=en
• Divide your list by the sending limit you want to stay under. So, if you have a list with 20k addresses, and your limit is 2k, then 20k / 2k = 10. Now, create 10 accounts in this new domain. (You will have 11 accounts total at this point.) Each account will cost you whatever Google's going rate is, but it should be a minor investment, and of course calculated into your expected Return On Investment. I recommend you keep them similar in format, such as [email protected], [email protected], et cetera. Then, create a 12th test account. (Do not use your primary account ... no need to get it blocked or banned.)
  
• Break your list into the above figured groups. So, if 10, then make ten groups of two-thousand. You can refine this, as sometimes you may want to break the groups into slightly smaller amounts. This may also provide you with an opportunity to do some testing, by which I mean, if you want to put all the gmail recipients into one group, and yahoo recipients into another, you may find that works better. If you want to change the message slightly, this is a great place to group your recipients based on message.
  
• You can either use GMail, Inbox, or a third party SMTP based application like Thunderbird for sending your e-mails. I personally use Thunderbird with a mail merge type of Add-on, this way each email is personalized, and the recipient is in the TO field. Be sure to setup the reply-to settings, and so forth. Draft your message, test it with your test account. Do not send to your recipients for testing. Use your other email addresses for testing. You want to test what the emails look like, and where the emails land (inbox, spam, etc.).
• Be sure to include some type of automated unsubscribe option. A manual unsubscribe option would create more work for you. Your unsubscribe option could just be a simple page linked to from your messages where the user has to input their email address, and it saves it to either a text file or other database. You then just grab that list before you broadcast emails and wipe the unsubscribes. (Perhaps do not delete them but rather hold onto them for some other mass email messages.)

Something else to consider is to find an ISP that you can work with, and setup your own server. Make sure to get a static IP address. The problem here is that you will need to monitor and wrestle with blacklists.

I highly recommend you pay attention to how like hosts treat their own email. By this I mean, is Google less likely to classify your email as spam if it is from a google controlled domain? Maybe Google is less likely to classify your email as spam if it is from somewhere else? If you know how each of your recipients' mail service handles mail, and perhaps gives preferential treatment, that could get you out of the spam folder/tag.

I am curious to know any feedback you may have if you try this.

Hi, you seem to know a lot about this,
What would you suggest for someone with a small list? I have 250 emails, I wouldn´t want to send manually and mailchimp gets me to spam inbox even thou I am using all the "best practices" is mandrill something that could help hitting the inbox?

 

[Mark Eternally]

Hi, you seem to know a lot about this,
What would you suggest for someone with a small list? I have 250 emails, I wouldn´t want to send manually and mailchimp gets me to spam inbox even thou I am using all the "best practices" is mandrill something that could help hitting the inbox?

What exactly do you want automated? Also, what are you trying to accomplish with your e-mails? As in, are you looking to establish relationships, just want to flood inboxes, what say ye? Also, with 250 emails, you could use the Mozilla Thunderbird and mail merge plugins, which would mean you just send one email, and it is personalized across all of them. Although, if you are looking for various automation, et cetera, that may not be the best method for you.

 

[ak009]

first clean your list with interspire or similar software.
Then you can choose any software to spam..
Remember always spin the sender,subject,and little bit of content to achieve higher inbox rate..
rest spamming is all about trial and error..

 

[Mark Eternally]

first clean your list with interspire or similar software.

@ak009, this reads like a thinly veiled promotion.

 

[Larry Igna]

I never understood the spamming part of email marketing.I mean..what would you expect, sending Bitcoin related stuff to Grandma's address won't get you far.
I'd rather have a 10k laser targeted (and opted in) email list than a random 1 million emails list.
When you know what they want, you won't need to push it hard, they will pull it by themselves.

 

[Dr. Mary]

Hi there, so sorry for the late reply! I totally understand your frustration and I have been through exactly the same crazy path that you have been. I sort of have it cracked, but this is very much a multi pronged approach that needs very serious attention to detail at the email content in subject line level to scrubbing list in a very controlled and thorough fashion, and basically having your own server with an engineer constantly tweaking it. There is a tremendous amount of automation, but there is definitely a necessary human component. This is a bit of a trade secret, but if you would like I could try to get you in touch with someone who can help you, and depending on what you have, I might be able to help you as well. As you know, this is not for novices, and because the system is proprietary, I can't really share very many details. But since you are already a pro and you've been around the block or two, and you know something about keeping tidy lists in order to keep the domains and IP addresses from blowing up after 2 days. PM me and we can talk.

 

[ak009]

@ak009, this reads like a thinly veiled promotion.

You need to work on your reading Skills mate All things needed for that advice is available on internet for free .

 

[JustaBlackGuy]

!

Yo Yasso90, i have a couple lists ranging from 10 to 35k (i think 14 lists) and i want to send them emails as well. I have not tried as much as you have but maybe you could share with me a working solution?

Thanks in advance, greatings from Austria.

 

[Mark Eternally]

Yo Yasso90, i have a couple lists ranging from 10 to 35k (i think 14 lists) and i want to send them emails as well. I have not tried as much as you have but maybe you could share with me a working solution?

Thanks in advance, greatings from Austria.

Spam is not really my thing. I prefer to use fully opted-in and above the table emails. (I have a slight dilemma with one of my sites magically collecting addresses, but otherwise, all "white hat" emailing from me.) From my background though, I could probably setup something solid, or at least advise. (Not applying for a job here.)

Over 140k ... I am curious if you have a firm figure for what you value each email address? If your lists do not shrink, my recommendation would be to setup your own email servers. Be prepared to move them around. So, if you use virtual hosts, save the images, or automate your setup. Then, create your own distributed email system, and start mailing away! FWIW, you could possibly sell your email services by that time, although, if you do be highly selective. Given that you are asking this list this question, I would venture to guess if you go this route you will be starting from zero. Maybe consider the BHW Journey's forum ....

Have fun.

 

[richestmaninbabylon]

Of course, your mileage may vary with this, but it has worked fairly well for me when my list is under 50k email recipients. More than 50k and this gets bulky.

I did not see Google on your list.

• Have a list of maybe 10 email addresses that you can receive email at, for instance, go make 10 microsoft accounts or something.
  
• Purchase Google Apps, or whatever their service is called these days ... G Suite, for a single domain.
• Lookup Google's Sending Limits. https://support.google.com/a/answer/166852?hl=en
• Divide your list by the sending limit you want to stay under. So, if you have a list with 20k addresses, and your limit is 2k, then 20k / 2k = 10. Now, create 10 accounts in this new domain. (You will have 11 accounts total at this point.) Each account will cost you whatever Google's going rate is, but it should be a minor investment, and of course calculated into your expected Return On Investment. I recommend you keep them similar in format, such as [email protected], [email protected], et cetera. Then, create a 12th test account. (Do not use your primary account ... no need to get it blocked or banned.)
  
• Break your list into the above figured groups. So, if 10, then make ten groups of two-thousand. You can refine this, as sometimes you may want to break the groups into slightly smaller amounts. This may also provide you with an opportunity to do some testing, by which I mean, if you want to put all the gmail recipients into one group, and yahoo recipients into another, you may find that works better. If you want to change the message slightly, this is a great place to group your recipients based on message.
  
• You can either use GMail, Inbox, or a third party SMTP based application like Thunderbird for sending your e-mails. I personally use Thunderbird with a mail merge type of Add-on, this way each email is personalized, and the recipient is in the TO field. Be sure to setup the reply-to settings, and so forth. Draft your message, test it with your test account. Do not send to your recipients for testing. Use your other email addresses for testing. You want to test what the emails look like, and where the emails land (inbox, spam, etc.).
• Be sure to include some type of automated unsubscribe option. A manual unsubscribe option would create more work for you. Your unsubscribe option could just be a simple page linked to from your messages where the user has to input their email address, and it saves it to either a text file or other database. You then just grab that list before you broadcast emails and wipe the unsubscribes. (Perhaps do not delete them but rather hold onto them for some other mass email messages.)

Something else to consider is to find an ISP that you can work with, and setup your own server. Make sure to get a static IP address. The problem here is that you will need to monitor and wrestle with blacklists.

I highly recommend you pay attention to how like hosts treat their own email. By this I mean, is Google less likely to classify your email as spam if it is from a google controlled domain? Maybe Google is less likely to classify your email as spam if it is from somewhere else? If you know how each of your recipients' mail service handles mail, and perhaps gives preferential treatment, that could get you out of the spam folder/tag.

I am curious to know any feedback you may have if you try this.

Mark,

I appreciate you taking the time to post this. I have a couple questions maybe you could help me with.

I have a list of 2,100 female buyers that are completely legit I built from dropshipping. (all bought within last ~35 days) Long story short, it was a partnership with someone else, didn't work out but I was able to keep the list to myself. I want to send them slightly related affiliate offers but 1) it wont be from the same domain/business as original puchase 2) I don't want to include a physical address (or any real contact info) like mailchimp/aweber etc. requires (unsub is fine).

I think your gmail method maybe the perfect route. I can break it up into 5 groups of ~420 people and use a different alias for each group. Test different offers. Stay way under the gmail limits.


-How would (or is it possible?) you track the opens, link clicks, etc. with this method?
-Do I need to worry about my home IP getting blacklisted? (I don't think I'll get many spam reports but idk)

 

[yasso90]

@Mark Eternally & the rest of the users following this thread looking for a way to break the blackhat spamming code
It's not been almost 1 month with the paigeham bullet proof email server which costs 250 USD per month.

Unfortunatelly this did not work as I wish it would. It was a bit of a roller coaster from the begining with their service.
Their server might work for some, but it's not "noob friendly" & I do not consider myself a noob, but compared to the difficulty to understand how their server works this was not for me.

I'll keep it short & simple, if you are looking for a detailed review of their service feel free to PM me before you pay 250 USD


DISCLAIMER : I did only try their Buller Proof Server package, so this is the only one I'm rating based on my experience for the last 30 days.

[Rating of Paigeham Bullet Proof Server]

Setting up : 3*** out of 5 - they did setup most of it and that went O.K, setup took more than 48 hours though.

Sending & delivery : 1* out of 5 - the server couldn't even deliver the first test email I've sent.

Support via email : 1* out of 5 - This was probably the worst part for me. Their answers were short, and not much help to get in my case. I was told not to send that many emails to hotmail domains (even though I only sent 1 email to hotmail which was blocked). They didn't even look through my server to check what was going on.. this was a bad experience.

Support via Skype : 3*** out of 5 - Talked with James which was much better in explaining things, he has a user here and I talked to him on skype before placing the order to test out their services. To me it seems like they have a lot of clients and don't take too much time helping "noobs". However James was much more helpfull than their support team.

Value for money : 0* out of 5 - This was by far the most expensive solution I've tried so far, and I really didn't get anything from it besides a lot of lost time and 250 USD less in my pocket.

Overall : 2** out of 5 - This did not work for me at all, and I do not consider myself noob - but here you "have the ball" to get things moving forward, not much help and you have to figure it out for yourself (most of it).

So a bit disappointed here..... Will move over to the G-suit version that I was recommened earlier on this thread by @Mark Eternally and will let you know how that goes

Peace out!

 

[Mark Eternally]

I think your gmail method maybe the perfect route. I can break it up into 5 groups of ~420 people and use a different alias for each group. Test different offers. Stay way under the gmail limits.

Testing will be the key to not only this method, but just about any method you may implement.

-How would (or is it possible?) you track the opens, link clicks, etc. with this method?

I use google analytics to monitor the e-mails I send out. I treat it just like any other HTML page, and make it a campaign of a sort within GA.

-Do I need to worry about my home IP getting blacklisted? (I don't think I'll get many spam reports but idk)

This is also going to be part of your testing, and perhaps read up on your ISP's policies with regard to sending e-mails. I am sure they have a blanket policy that may say something like, no spamming, but that is rather vague. So, you would then perhaps consider to either ask for permission or forgiveness. If you go the permission route, call them before you send and ask about their policies but be sure NOT to use the word "spam." Perhaps go the route of saying you have a mailing list and want to send e-mails to each of your subscribers, are there any limits on how many e-mails you can send within a specified period of time? Most likely they will say no. Be sure to keep timestamps on your calls, names of who you talk with, and so forth. If you go the forgiveness route, be prepared for them to block your service, then just call them when your offline. Go the technical support route first, and do not mention the emails, as that would show guilt. Just go about it like any other use who is having service connectivity issues. When they bring up the matter, be in earnest disbelief, as all you were doing is sending emails to the same people with whom you usually communicate. Then, go to the various blacklist services and request your IP address be removed (they usually will do this for you once or twice without any issues).

Also depending on your ISP, your IP address is technically supposed to change ever so often, as it is probably a DHCP address. As such, perhaps consider figuring out how to force your ISP to issue you a new IP address without human intervention. By which I mean, for one ISP I found that if I unplugged my router for 24 hours, then plugged it back in, I was issued a new IP address. For other ISPs you may be able to release your IP from your router, then request an IP and it will issue a new IP, however this is not common as it usually just gives you your previous IP back.

When all the IP changing fails, proxies. If it becomes an issue, which according to your description I am dubious it will, but if it does become an issue, consider looking into how you can use proxies when you connect to Google.