Why Google Disavow Is Bad News For Us All

davids355 said:
However, one of my sites has about 3k back links and received a penalty, so I either risk building another 2-3k to even out the numbers, or I get them all disregarded- I think the later is the best option for me.
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OK, so you removed all your "bad links" great. Now pretend I'm your competitor. I will submit all your "good links" that I can find as spam links! What do you think about that? Now you're left with no "good links"!
 
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Shit this makes it worse. Could you just use an SEO service, take the backlinks they create, then disavow all their links. Do that a few times and sooner or later all the links created by that service will be nailed and all sites using that backlink footprint will be slapped to oblivion. If it works that way, G gathering info as to what are legit sources of links, then penguin could just be the start. I agree, don't make G's job any easier, don't snitch!
 
swi7ch said:
OK, so you removed all your "bad links" great. Now pretend I'm your competitor. I will submit all your "good links" that I can find as spam links! What do you think about that? Now you're left with no "good links"!
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You would need access to my webmaster account, or you would need to build links to your site from all my link sources, then disavow them all - I don't think you can just send google random sites that don't even link to you.

Besides even if that we're the case I don't think goog would blindly trust all submissions.
 
swi7ch said:
OK, so you removed all your "bad links" great. Now pretend I'm your competitor. I will submit all your "good links" that I can find as spam links! What do you think about that? Now you're left with no "good links"!
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I don't think you understand how this works. It's a tool in webmaster tools. It's connected to the specific site(s) you have listed in your account. You can't just begin disavowing links for other sites, as you have no access to their webmaster tools.
 
I learned to not snitch growing up in the bad parts of LA. I'll never snitch to G. ;)
 
MatthewWoodward said:
A Real Example

Let's say you used a link building service that delivered great results - you diversified the anchor text well and saw positive movement in the SERPS, fantastic.

Another customer of that service did the same thing but didn't diversify anchor text correctly and then got a Penguin based penalty. That customer will then go and report all of the links they got from the service provider as low quality links and to ignore them.

But you also have the same ‘low quality' links pointing at your site...

See the problem here?

It's also likely that they would report links they have built/ordered from other services during that period as well in an attempt to undo the damage putting even more webmasters at risk.
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Yes, the same would be applied to Web 2.0 properties, community profiles, blog comments and practically each and every platform you can get links from. So if there are enough Such links from one domain, It will become an untrusted links source.

Google can do the same thing the manually, but why when, as you said, there are enough webmasters to do this for them.

But there is another thing - if you do not to build any link, they probably will not penalize your site.
 
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In simple terms - some guy missuses a list of autoapprove blogs for tier3, and everyone using that list doesn't get any benefits (even indexing) by using that same list.

If a lot of people complain, Google might block some resources (remember the ezine slap back a year or so). What if that happens to Tumblr? Any platform not too strict on content? The solution to make sure that even if this does happen, you are in the clear - simple - quality content (notice I didn't say unique ;) ). Maybe the time hasn't come yet, but it will. Do proper deep spins with very few grammatical errors and you are good for a decade to come.

Using it for gaining some statistics as brayanon says would be the obvious move. If they aren't the type of company that works based on statistics, they wouldn't have come to where they are today.
 
This must be true because you cant even Google Baylesions....... lol
 
VinBed said:
You have had some interesting thoughts, but I've heard rumors of people actually increasing their rank by disavowing some of their lesser quality links.

If it works, it works. Don't disregard the tool without giving it a proper analysis.
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and when have you heard rumours about results from a tool released yesterday
 
I really don't think G needs to trick a bunch of webmasters into telling them what a shitty link looks like. It's not like G doesn't know about OBL, PR, type of link, PBNs, bad neighborhoods, etc. So this conspiracy theory makes no sense to me.

G has gotten bad press over negative SEO, and the disavow tool, whether it works or not, is their response to that. Bing came out with one months ago.
 
From SEO perspective it might be a good thing.
Medium/Big websites would need permanent SEO role to keep an eye on link profile, among other things.

This could be done by agency as well, but in my opinion whole industry is aiming to decrease amount of agency SEO's and to increase amount of InHouse SEO's.

That is a good thing in my opinion, I would love to work on one or two websites instead doing bits and pieces on 25 websites :)
 
deviatus said:
I really don't think G needs to trick a bunch of webmasters into telling them what a shitty link looks like. It's not like G doesn't know about OBL, PR, type of link, PBNs, bad neighborhoods, etc. So this conspiracy theory makes no sense to me.
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IF they would know that, they would have much better serps.
 
Actually Its one of the reason for which SEO and other online marketing stuffs have become hard. Google is becoming a brand lover day by day.
Nothing else.
 
rippy said:
From SEO perspective it might be a good thing.
Medium/Big websites would need permanent SEO role to keep an eye on link profile, among other things.

This could be done by agency as well, but in my opinion whole industry is aiming to decrease amount of agency SEO's and to increase amount of InHouse SEO's.

That is a good thing in my opinion, I would love to work on one or two websites instead doing bits and pieces on 25 websites :)
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It's Google's perspective that matters most. What types of links will be run through the link disavow tool? Pretty much anything that is user generated. Google collects the data for three or six months and has data on a large percentage of domains that accept user submitted (paid, spammed, etc.) data then they devalue those domains to pass 0 or negative link juice. From an SEO perspective, this is not a good thing. It simply makes it harder to compete with corporations that have large budgets and in-house SEO staff to buy links that small businesses could not afford. In general, it could be used by Google as another tool to push small businesses into Adwords.

You need to scratch beneath the surface to get a better idea of how this may play out. Google was not suffering in the slightest before Panda, Penguin, Top Heavy and EMD algorithm updates. Their market share was great, but they do have stockholders to answer to. All of these updates are driven by Google's desire to make more money by reshaping the internet economy. Because Google's market share is so large, the changes they make and discuss with the public have a global impact by setting new standards for businesses in every sector.
 
private blog networks will surely rise again... considering that the sites involved will never use the disavow tool.. that just my opinion..
 
Let's fuck google!

Whenever you create any page pointing to your money site etc, add 2nd link to google.com If G algo will count that link as bad and hurt your site then it will also hurt them unless they manually fixed that.
 
Web Echo said:
Let's fuck google!

Whenever you create any page pointing to your money site etc, add 2nd link to google.com If G algo will count that link as bad and hurt your site then it will also hurt them unless they manually fixed that.
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So when I google "google" they don't show up? You realize what you just said right?
 
Web Echo said:
Let's fuck google!

Whenever you create any page pointing to your money site etc, add 2nd link to google.com If G algo will count that link as bad and hurt your site then it will also hurt them unless they manually fixed that.
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So Google won't rank as high for the search term 'Google' when you type it into the Google search engine? That is a paradox if ever I have seen one.

I cannot believe the lack of common sense and logic displayed by you people. Here I was thinking I am in a forum surrounded my level headed and rational internet marketers. Instead most of you people are ready to believe any anti-google twaddle the OP spews.
 
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