Why Google Disavow Is Bad News For Us All

ja1myn said:
He's saying once a ton of sites start reporting the same links it's going to shut down a lot of black hat methods, which makes perfect sense. Not that just because one site gets disavowed will it get slammed automatically.
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Presenting an antithetical that has no basis in fact has no bearing on the converse, which also has no basis in fact. Speculation is fine, but the absurdity is that backlinks that are perceived to have value would be disavowed by the target of those links, or that blackhat remorse would make otherwise valuable backlinks less valuable, the blackhat remorse comes about because the links have no or negative value.

For all you guys know at this point, the backlink removal tool might do absolutely nothing.
 
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Classic! I don't care what others are saying but I agree with you.. Google is itself handing over tools to idiots. They are telling them, "Go! Negative SEO the shit out of your competitors! Make this a battlefield!"

At this point, I am not really sure what the future holds for this industry!
 
thejake said:
Presenting an antithetical that has no basis in fact has no bearing on the converse, which also has no basis in fact. Speculation is fine, but the absurdity is that backlinks that are perceived to have value would be disavowed by the target of those links, or that blackhat remorse would make otherwise valuable backlinks less valuable, the blackhat remorse comes about because the links have no or negative value.

For all you guys know at this point, the backlink removal tool might do absolutely nothing.
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I don't think he was saying that just because someone disavows a link will it automatically be slammed. I think he's just saying that once Google gets a ton of links from the same site being disavowed, that will act almost as another negative SEO component to devalue that site. Regardless of whether or not the site is actually a shitty site or not.
 
MaxTucker said:
Here is my own personal conspiracy theory. I think Matthew is gearing up to sell something. He is raising his profile on BHW by starting threads like this and his 2 hour long backlinking video course. He is giving away prizes worth hundreds of dollars. He is giving away tons of free crap, why? Is it because he is a nice guy?

No, he is creating a profile as a Google hating Blackhat guru who at some point is going to release some 'revolutionary' product we all must buy.

Yes, this is all conjecture, but it follows nicely with the theme of this thread.
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You maybe right but isn't that what so many Jr VIPs/donors have done in the past? Help others, build rep, sell stuff :D
 
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Wow, I never looked at it that way. I think OP has some very serious valid points. I mean I think it's obvious to everyone that the google disavow tool is an effort to solve a problem google themselves created, when they could just as easily man up, admit they messed up, and rollback the negative link aspects of their algorithm and end this redonkulous nonsene. While I doubt that the DT will be much of an effective negative SEO tool, I don't think it will actually make the problem worse, I think he is absolutely right in that it does nothing to solve the problem and creates a new set of side-problems in you will outside of the scope of negative SEO. While they can not solve the whole negative SEO problem algorithmically without killing it altogether, they may be able to pull this crowd sourcing data to beef up the algorithm in the future and make it much harder to generate backlink campaigns, even white hat ones. If Penguin and Panda has everyone running for the hills, I dread to think what they will unleash after they begin to factor whatever they learn from this tool into their future algorithm updates.
 
dabeast said:
You maybe right but isn't that what so many Jr VIPs/donors have done in the past? Help others, build rep, sell stuff :D
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Yeh, there is nothing wrong with it either. At the end of the day we all sell stuff. I just think he should take one foot off the soap box. He is pushing things a little hard and this post makes him seem like a nutter making up bullshit to promote himself.
 
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Agreed this is bad news for the sort of SEO most of us practice ie. automated backlink building. how far google takes it is anybody's guess. The main issue here is of course to use this tool you need to have your site in Webmaster Tools, and I for one don't want to do that, nor do I want google to have any additional information about the sort of backlinks I build. Totally agree that if thousands of webmasters start to report links that they themselves built from certain domains as spam/low quality, then those certain domains could become flags and any url receiving links from those domains could potentially receive penalty... it's def a possibility.

On a side note, if you know your site was hit hard due to links from a de-indexed blog network, I'm assuming its now posible to go in and remove/disavow those links. does anybody know if you could simply do this in Webmaster Tools, and then remove your site? Will the disavow metrics still apply, or would your site need to stay submitted in Webmaster tools for this to remain active?
 
I'd definitely take anything that Cutts says with a grain of salt--I'm curious to see what all the upcoming case studies that use it will have to say--I don't see it being good, no matter which way it goes
 
Anyone who thinks that Google is handing you a tool to help you rank or recover your sites is extremely naive. Google could have taken the burden off the webmaster (that they created) and just rolled back the negative link portion of their algo -- but they're pleased with it and are now proceeding to the next phase.

By using this tool you are helping to create a database to identify unnatural links (you NEED these). The goal is to stop SEO, as it has been for nearly a decade. It can't be any clearer.
 
NetMarketer said:
Anyone who thinks that Google is handing you a tool to help you rank or recover your sites is extremely naive. Google could have taken the burden off the webmaster (that they created) and just rolled back the negative link portion of their algo -- but they're pleased with it and are now proceeding to the next phase.

By using this tool you are helping to create a database to identify unnatural links (you NEED these). The goal is to stop SEO, as it has been for nearly a decade. It can't be any clearer.
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Too paranoid, if your using this tool, google already penalised you, so they know about the spam links.
 
this is to be used as a last resort if your site got knocked off
 
Seems my post on my blog is number one in most countries for the term "Google disavowal tool". Just had over 39,000 visitors to my site in the last 3 hours.
Came to some slightly different conclusions - but some the same. Google have managed to invent negative SEO. Hope they are fecking proud of themselves.

They've made link spamming your competitors - filling the internet with crap - a realistic way to rank (even if it is only in relative terms)

Google - "Whose a clever boy then"

People say Google emply some smart people. You could have fecking fooled me. Wouldn't be surpised if they didn't get law suits at some point in the fiture for actively encouraging web spam and wrecking the internet.

But what with nearly 80% of above the fold results now Google pay per click, Google places and Youtube (google again) videos, I haven't got a clue why anyone who wanted a good, honest and varied set of results would use this festering turd of a search engine in the first place.
A more incestious and self serving pile of crap would be hard to find anywhere.

Scritty
 
^^cant be that bad mate if they are sending you 30k visitors in 3hours.
#Don't bite the hand that feeds.

End of the day, everything google brings out, will create new issues - negative seo, google will combat, we will work new ways to work the system, google will bring something new again, that's the way it works.
 
MaxTucker said:
Here is my own personal conspiracy theory. I think Matthew is gearing up to sell something. He is raising his profile on BHW by starting threads like this and his 2 hour long backlinking video course. He is giving away prizes worth hundreds of dollars. He is giving away tons of free crap, why? Is it because he is a nice guy?

No, he is creating a profile as a Google hating Blackhat guru who at some point is going to release some 'revolutionary' product we all must buy.

Yes, this is all conjecture, but it follows nicely with the theme of this thread.
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Shucks, well Matthew did bank very nicely from all those affiliate links he had strewn thoughout his courses didnt he? Oops i didnt mean to say that!
 
davids355 said:
^^cant be that bad mate if they are sending you 30k visitors in 3hours.
#Don't bite the hand that feeds.

End of the day, everything google brings out, will create new issues - negative seo, google will combat, we will work new ways to work the system, google will bring something new again, that's the way it works.
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Less than 50% of my normal traffic is referred by Google - less than 35% of the buying traffic.

None of this massive influx has bought a darn thing either, though I now have something like 150 comments and growing by more than one a minute (mostly rants) to go through tomorrow morning. If I publish them all it's going to take the page half an hour to load.

Split so far, about 50% agree - 50% think I'm a twat and this is a "Google masterplan".

I'll publish a representative sample tomorrow (or delete all the ones that say I'm a twat lol - joking)
Gotta love free speech.
 
You have had some interesting thoughts, but I've heard rumors of people actually increasing their rank by disavowing some of their lesser quality links.

If it works, it works. Don't disregard the tool without giving it a proper analysis.
 
What I want to know is, is the disavow tool going to be needed for the big authority sites, or will Google simply disregard any poor links going to the authority sites? I strongly suspect that G will go on protecting big Inc. pages automatically with its algo, while making all the smaller sites manually chase after purging bad links to their sites. Yet another indication of there being a two-tier system of SEO in the modern regime of Google.
 
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