Why CB Sucks for Vendors

JackSparrow said:
The ironic thing here is that neo3187's product is not actually shit, im using it and after 7 days of using the templates and advice in his product, im already seeing a good 10% clickthrough rate with Google Adsense. Just need to achieve rankings now for higher visitors.

Sure there are shitty vendors who scam people to shit with over hyped bullshit, but there are actually some genuine vendors with decent products.

The trouble with money making products is that you need the bullshit hype of for example 'make $3000 in 30 days', or people will simple pass it by. Imagine telling potential buyers the truth 'make $0 in the first 3 months while your new website is being indexed properly in Google, then maybe if you are lucky and have created good enough content, done all your SEO properly and have built enough quality backlinks, you will maybe earn up to $3000 per month', nobody in the world would purchase that product.

Buyers want results yesterday, when we are spending our own money we are at our most demanding. People will try a product for 7 days (or less) and give up thinking the product is shit and either charge-back or demand a refund.

It is swings and roundabouts, and the internet seems to always favour the buyers with transactions. So vendors need a tougher skin and accept this shit happens.
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I didnt even pay heed to that hater's comment... for such people I already have a statement on my sales page which reads

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This sounds good, but you have to know that this is not yet another "get rich quick scheme"! If you are looking for that you are on the wrong website. You WILL make money with my method but there is work involved!

One guy took a refund and said, all the information is available for free on the net... I was like, ofcourse, one man cant come up with something in IM niche which is not ALLREADY AVAILABLE ON THE WEB ... you paid for a method... anyways... ive accepted it now, these things happen... I just wish I had a huge email list, these things wouldnt have been come to my notice also then...
 
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OTrap said:
Or, he's one of those people with such little work ethic that when he got the product, he realized it wasn't a magic pill for whatever he was wanting, so he asked for a refund.

People like that are doomed to never finding what they are looking for, and always being discontent. Their loss.
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its really sad to see such crap happens... if I ever wanted a CB product, I either paid for it or searched for it here or on other BH forums... but I never scammed a vendor... its totally unethical... whenever a product is launched, there is always a buzz around... just read what people have to say and make a decision dammit... such act is ridiculous and CB should have better policies to safeguard the vendors as well
 
What is the general refund rate for clickbank products ? The items I'm promoting are averaging over 40% refunds. It's sad. So people can download anything they want then get a refund for it and keep the products.
 
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moneymachine01 said:
What is the general refund rate for clickbank products ? The items I'm promoting are averaging over 40% refunds. It's sad. So people can download anything they want then get a refund for it and keep the products.
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and if iam not wrong, CB penalizes the vendor if there are too many refunds.. first Google then CB.. blood suckers
 
I'm very sure that 60-day crap will be removed one day.

moneymachine01 said:
What is the general refund rate for clickbank products ? The items I'm promoting are averaging over 40% refunds. It's sad. So people can download anything they want then get a refund for it and keep the products.
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ScrapeBoss said:
I'm very sure that 60-day crap will be removed one day.
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No i dont think they will remove it... cz there will be more scammer vendors to jump in to loot the buyers in literally every niche .... atleast right now mostly its the Vendors in the IM niche who are being SCAMMED ... the target audience of other niches hardly know about these tactics..
 
Your right. Bad vendors are making the party a mess.

But it is a known fact that there is refund scam.

I have always had more sales with the non-IM niche as an affiliate.

neo3187 said:
No i dont think they will remove it... cz there will be more scammer vendors to jump in to loot the buyers in literally every niche .... atleast right now mostly its the Vendors in the IM niche who are being SCAMMED ... the target audience of other niches hardly know about these tactics..
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ScrapeBoss said:
Your right. Bad vendors are making the party a mess.

But it is a known fact that there is refund scam.

I have always had more sales with the non-IM niche as an affiliate.
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Iam even having smooth sales after launching it as a WSO... dunno where these scammers come from... anyways, I guess next time il have to think about a different niche...
 
Clickbank doesn't offer much protection for vendors in refund situations, but they do provide easy access to a ton of potential affiliates... it's a tradeoff. I'm trying to capture contact info for anyone who signs up to be an affiliate for my products at CB so that if I ever leave the system, I can easily pull top performing affiliates with me.
 
ctrtheme said:
Clickbank doesn't offer much protection for vendors in refund situations, but they do provide easy access to a ton of potential affiliates... it's a tradeoff. I'm trying to capture contact info for anyone who signs up to be an affiliate for my products at CB so that if I ever leave the system, I can easily pull top performing affiliates with me.
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This is smart, and it's how a lot of guys end up with such large launches.
 
It's the nature of the beast with CB.

The 60-day refund policy sucks, but it DOES curb the number of chargebacks that you could be seeing.

Last year, I did over 40K in sales as a CB affiliate and vendor. How many sales ended up as chargebacks?

Two.

That's all. Out of all the sales, only two came back as chargebacks, and the only reason they did was because they were after 60 days had passed.

The best you can do is to provide continual content. If everything is not available at once, then they have to stick around to get everything. Continual, fresh, relevant content ... something that white hats and black hats can agree is always a good thing for business. :D
 
OTrap said:
Pain in the ass.

It's part of being a vendor, though.

I'm still trying to figure out how to make everything non-downloadable. Make everything available in a members area. Then, once 60 days hit, I'd want to send them a download link.

Problem is keeping people from sharing that link. Might have to change the page name constantly. Pain in the ass, but what can you do?
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Why figure it out yourself if there are enough talented programmers who can easily put this together for you. You just need to be clear in describing what you want. I am actually looking for something similar atm. And found a few programmers who I will want to work with. It's a matter of choosing the right one.
 
Here's the thing, when someone purchases something through your Affiliate link, the owner of the program etc. receives the money from ClickBank and they handle the payment. Then when the purchaser files a dispute with their CreditCard Company or PayPal and succeed, that money is then taken from ClickBank. So, although I understand your frustration, you have to understand where CB is coming from, considering they were out the money from the dispute.
 
I market IM products from CB and needless to say refunds are at a staggering 40%+. I am sure other affiliates are experiencing similarly high refund rates. If this continues CB may go the way of Plimus and ban IM products altogether from their marketplace.
 
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