Why BlackHat SEO's Should Understand Computer Science

I've thought for awhile that the goog is taking something like the top 1,000,000 searches and getting a team to manually review/alter the results.

On another note, once AI becomes a reality for search (like IBM's Watson), you can kiss SEO goodbye. Its coming, so I would look for new horizons if I were involved in SEO.

everybody with "sams teach yourself IM/SEO/CS in 21 days" knows hacks in google and banks like boss

I call this BS.......

Gary Becks said:

Ok, I apologize, I have obviously gone over your head. My point is not that you can't rank a site with spam, but that you can't KEEP a site ranked with spam. If you can then prove it, out of the thousands of sites that I've owned not one of my sites that I ranked off of spamming is still making anything more than gas money today.

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Wrong example... have you seen gas prices lately?

W130SN said:

OP, lots of inaccuracies in your OP but I am more interested in how the site you have listed as your hompage is ranking:

http://whois.webrankstats.com/whois/tumblinator.com


What strategies are you using there? Great Content?

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Lol, I haven't posted on this forum since when? Sorry I didn't update my profile for you! And who's silly enough to post a link to their money sites on BHW anyhow?

mickyfu said:

I work roughly 1 - 2 hours a month. I spend six months of the year travelling. But of course, you should know what I do with my life, well why would you not, I have written comments on here.

Selling services? No do not waste your time, I sell nothing I am a casino affiliate.

Anyhow, keep churning Matt's dogshit talk for him, I am sure you may fool some.

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Bro, if you don't have anything constructive to say towards the convo then just leave the thread. I don't know why you keep bringing up White Hat and Matt Cutts. I'm not trying to bash link building or any other Black Hat methods for that matter. I here to talk about thinking outside of the box and how knowledge of how actual software is built can help when your doing SEO.

Meanwhile, WTF are you even talking about at this point? We obviously have nothing in common and I don't waste time arguing with simpletons on forums. Look for the block user button if you don't like my posts..

ScoopMaster said:

Wrong example... have you seen gas prices lately?

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My times is worth a lot more than Gas money bro.

Gary Becks said:

Lol, I haven't posted on this forum since when? Sorry I didn't update my profile for you! And who's silly enough to post a link to their money sites on BHW anyhow?

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So you are saying you just posted a link to a random site? Or maybe this is just a case of bought account.

mickyfu said:

So you are saying you just posted a link to a random site? Or maybe this is just a case of bought account.

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Are you that slow bro? Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying, exactly. Oh and yes, I "bought" this account as well, I work for google and I came here to argue with mickyfu , heard he was bad mouthing Matt.

Really man. Find yourself something to do.

mickyfu said:

I work roughly 1 - 2 hours a month.

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all I have to say about it is lol. you spend 10 hours a day at BHW but only work 1-2 hours a month? oh yeah, you're traveling 6 month, and log in via your tablet while on a beach in florida sniffing coke with strippers, and your big whales cashing it in each month, right brah?

better edit that comment, if you want to get any kind of respect from someone worth being respected from on this forum.

If Rand Fishkin and Matt Cutts ever had a child together and he happened to be addicted to crack I think he would basically sound like the OP.

Respect for taking the time to write the post - but i can't agree with it entirely.

I think its naive of you to think that manual penalties don't exist (thats what your initial paragraphs suggest).

Google's algorithm has effectively plateaued and with each update they 'hot fix' new discoveries via manual methods that are flagged internally and researched by human teams at G headquarters.

And lets not forget Google is now crowdsourcing this process by way of disavow tools. Every noob that is hit with penalty is just feeding more data back into the google machine every time they disavow.

You might be lucky enough that you have methods that worked 5 years ago still work today but that hasn't been my experience at all. I have continually evolved my SEO efforts and I can assure you that even the long time experts on here have shared the same experiences. Whilst you like to claim you have somehow eluded every algorithmic change in 5 years almost as if your sites are bulletproofed - i would seriously question the authenticity of that statement.

I realise my post has gone on a bit of a tangent but thats my two cents worth.

Nonetheless I do walk away from this post with some value and you do bring up a good point that we should shift our focus away from being blackhatters and concentrate on being more googlers

ikilledkenny said:

all I have to say about it is lol. you spend 10 hours a day at BHW but only work 1-2 hours a month? oh yeah, you're traveling 6 month, and log in via your tablet while on a beach in florida sniffing coke with strippers, and your big whales cashing it in each month, right brah?

better edit that comment, if you want to get any kind of respect from someone worth being respected from on this forum.

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The day I care about what a sad pathetic little wankstain on here thinks I do or do not do with my life will be a very sorry day in my life.

Oh and as for respect, I do not need the respect of someone who talks and writes as though he live in a caravan.

I agree that different people's thought about "success" are different, but you just can't drop by and states "Spamming doesn't work!". That sounds totally misleading to me.

JustUs said:

More today than yesterday, programming is the art of understanding and using libraries that someone else wrote rather than understanding the intricacies of programming.

((HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri).Credentials = CredentialCache.DefaultCredentials;
((HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri).Host = host;
((HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri).KeepAlive = keepAlive;
((HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri).Method = method;
((HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri).ReadWriteTimeout = readWriteTimeout;
((HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri).Referer = referer;
((HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri).Timeout = timeout;
((HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri).UserAgent = userAgent;

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This is poor code, let me give you some pointers.

Why so many casts?

var request = (HttpWebRequest)webRequestUri;
request.blah.. = 'blah blah'

and it looks like 'webRequestUri' is of type 'WebRequest' not 'Uri', the suffix makes the code confusing to read.

I do wish I had some computer programming knowledge, so I understand what you're saying, Gary Becks.

However, I understand where mickyfu is coming from. Some of us prefer the 'churn and burn' method of spamming. It pays the bills, and it can afford you the time and money to work on methods that supposedly having a longer shelf life—if you want.

If you step outside the IM world and look at the different careers where someone is earning roughly the same amount as someone who is successful with churn and burn, I'm sure they would like to trade places if they knew they only had to work on a site every couple of months. I mean, creating a site and spamming it to the top is hardly taxing.

peterngo91 said:

I agree that different people's thought about "success" are different, but you just can't drop by and states "Spamming doesn't work!". That sounds totally misleading to me.

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Maybe I should reword my post for the Die Hard Black Hat Softies so I don't ruffle any feathers. "Random Spamming Doesn't Work" . I'm not saying that anyone has to build 100% "White Hat" sites or 100% "Black Hat" Sites , end of the day do what it takes to rank, but blasting a ton of links and then complaining about your site tanking down the line is just plain silly IMO.

I own just about every SEO tool there is, I buy most of them just to test them out and see what works. At the end of the day I also do it because it's fun just playing with software.

In regards to my statement though, This is why I say spamming doesn't work. Random guy wants to rank site, random guy goes and buys GSA , Captcha Software, Proxies, Subscribes to some service or Blog network or Senuke etc, learns to use the software , babysits it, builds links all over the Internet and the site might rank and be worth the investment for a few months, MAYBE. Depending on how long the links stay up on the Web 2.0's.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the internet someone in the same niche Buys a High Pr domain, Outsource 25-30 5 star articles for the site, and either points links at the site from his own High Pr domains , or Brokers high PR links from actual pages and the site earns for years to come.

You choose your method, But there's a reason I don't like Treadmills.

guybrushthreepwood said:

Being arrogant alone is not enough to convince people of sth.

you said: "white hat seo is better because its the only way to long term success"

You now tell us: "Im not stupid. i dont link to my money site here"

Let me please ask you:

Why dont you link your site here? Affraid of being slapped by google?
What if someone else would post your link here. Or spamblasts you? You said that your old sites got penalized because of a spammy method you used.

So it would be quite easy to get your site down, right?

So long term success isnt for sure also.

Maybe i dont get your point because im not a "computer scientist"

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Maybe you don't get my point because you're just not that smart. Could you please point out to me where I said

"white hat seo is better because its the only way to long term success"

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CAN I PLEASE have some of whatever it is you are smoking??? And I don't link to my money site here because it's common sense, would any salesman in any field show a bunch of other sales man where he finds his leads?

And FOR THE RECORD. I am not a computer scientist either, I just an ordinary intermediate programmer who understand how the web works and how to exploit that knowledge to earn more quid the my lazy competitors. I hope your one of them.

Very little in this thread relates to Computer Science.
Just another person that doesn't understand BH.
OP, BH doesn't necessarily mean spamming a site with links.
I am out of here, too much nonsense for me.

You said it here:
" So from a programming perspective (which is what the thread is about - data analysis) it won't work. You spam a site to the top, google hits your site and all your traffic/money is gone. I've done this many a time, and there's nothing wrong with it if you want to make some quick quid. Def not a reliable business model though."

I dont know why you give us an introduction on the benefits on computer science on seo if you are a person who (obviously) has no scientific training.

Please read about yourself here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
Please go on reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

Please pay special attention to:

"Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury)"

Please do not respond with another degrading personal insult.

Thank you
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