silken
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Yes, I am following that thread too. What is your way of automating them? I am thinking of Zennoposter... Maybe you have better ideas?
When you create/submit to Web 2.0 what to consider
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Yes, I am following that thread too. What is your way of automating them? I am thinking of Zennoposter... Maybe you have better ideas?
todor
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I haven't heard for shared hosting exchange programs, but honestly if I'm taking myself seriously in SEO, I would never give anyone access to my server and respectively wouldn't trust other people to host my websites...
Also if I'm taking myself seriously in SEO, I would rather buy VPS or Dedi + multiple IPs...
Shared hosting exchange programs, just doesn't sound seriously to me, sorry.
todor
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Yes, phpbuilt, I read your topic a week ago and also I scraped you Web 2 list to use it as my reference list. Really thank you for taking care of this subject!
I know all that you say above, except the part that G00gle can't trace your IP on the Web 2.0s...this is why I posted this topic to make it clear for me and for the other people...
phpbuilt
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I've experimented with lots of stuff, but what I finally decided on was using Imacros in a funky kind of way.
I've got a mysql database set up, and I have Imacros load my special PHP page to gather its to-do list ... i.e. switch to ___ proxy and the set of web2.0 accounts assigned to that proxy.
I built an article spinner in PHP (by the way if you want it, http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/340392-your-own-article-spinner-php.html). I use it to spin the article I'm about to post to the web2.0.
So in other words my program ...
1) loads a php page attached to mysql database to figure out where it has to post to next, changing to that account and proxy
2) loads the spintax necessary to post to that web2.0 blog
3) uses the PHP spinner program I referenced above to spin the spintax to have an article ready to post
4) logs into the web2.0 property it loaded in step #1 with the proxy it loaded in step #1
5) it loads a template, specific to that web2.0 property, to post the spun content to that particular web2.0
6) checks back in to the special php page notifying that the task has completed
7) checks php page for next task, rinse and repeat
So that's my master plan, to have over 100 web2.0's and article directories to automatically push spins to. I'm only doing this with the web2.0's that don't accept posts-by-email or XML-RPC -- for those that do there are easier, more efficient and less resource consuming methods to push posts.
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I've only recently started with linkpushing and so far I have accounts on about 20 different Web 2.0 sites. I used the same yahoo email to manually set them up (I won't use google spymail(gmail)). Since I am not a coder either, I plan to use another yahoo email and set up 20 more on the same sites.
For this second "batch," I'll not only need that new yahoo email, but a proxy as well.
Next I plan to keep working with the model until I have 5 batches of 20 each. That will give me 5 accounts on each of 20 Web 2.0 properties.
So in theory I will only need one proxy per batch, and each batch will easily manageable, minus one proxy for the batch I set up on my normal IP.
When this is all set up and working then I'll concentrate on automating it.
Am I missing something?
For this second "batch," I'll not only need that new yahoo email, but a proxy as well.
Next I plan to keep working with the model until I have 5 batches of 20 each. That will give me 5 accounts on each of 20 Web 2.0 properties.
So in theory I will only need one proxy per batch, and each batch will easily manageable, minus one proxy for the batch I set up on my normal IP.
When this is all set up and working then I'll concentrate on automating it.
Am I missing something?
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Expertpeon
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How's that automating webstarts, tripod, angelfire, quizilla working out for you :rambo:
How are you going to tackle the ever changing interfaces these sites use for creation?
Many of them purposefully change their interfaces on a reg basis. How do you handle drag and drop javascript page creation in PHP? would love to see code that could handle such a thing. Account generation, link validation?
I have tried buffer sites with their own IPs... it works OK, but I would def say it's not worth the money considering what else I spend my SEO money on.
Case in point, I'm in 3 new niches all with a LOT of paid SEO work (just the kind of buffering you suggest).
These sites are currently being annihilated by my methods... a lot of which are the kind of stuff this forum says "doesn't work" anymore (no shit links mind you, but yeah...)
Not going to go into detail, but currently almost taken over an entire keyword that's million+/yr from people who both pay for these buffer sites and manage them. Some of these websites have over 1000 buffer domains linking to their sites. Usually all PR3-PR4
I'd rather have 1 PR5 ******** link than 5 of these buffer sites (based upon my own research).
Seemingly I can make an infinite amount of PR5-PR6 unique domain links... at least I have yet to find an "end" to it. The only time I use buffer sites is if my domain needs to reroute traffic from banned sites.
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Autumn
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Just because you can't code that doesn't mean the rest of us can't.
I don't see why you're being snarky about it.It doesn't matter whether the data is coming from html or javascript, at the end of the day it's all just plain text http transactions that can be replicated. Some sites have such trickily obfuscated javascript that they're just not worth the effort to automate via the command line; in that case, you either ignore them and move on (there are hundreds of other viable hosts out there) or you automate them using a browser, imacros and a php wrapper (or whatever system you like). The effort you put in to solving a host is proportionate to the value you perceive it has.
You're also way overstating the frequency with which hosts change their sign up pages. It's not very frequent at all because there is a serious time investment in getting a web app that is used by thousands of people to work... You just can't go changing it all the time. Yes sometimes signup pages change, so you take them out of your list temporarily until you can fix them later in the week.
It's the laziness factor that is at the heart of all BH work - you put in the thinking work up front so you can be lazy later on rather than doing pointless manual shit work day after day.
Expertpeon
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Just because you can't code that doesn't mean the rest of us can't.
It doesn't matter whether the data is coming from html or javascript, at the end of the day it's all just plain text http transactions that can be replicated. Some sites have such trickily obfuscated javascript that they're just not worth the effort to automate via the command line; in that case, you either ignore them and move on (there are hundreds of other viable hosts out there) or you automate them using a browser, imacros and a php wrapper (or whatever system you like). The effort you put in to solving a host is proportionate to the value you perceive it has.
You're also way overstating the frequency with which hosts change their sign up pages. It's not very frequent at all because there is a serious time investment in getting a web app that is used by thousands of people to work... You just can't go changing it all the time. Yes sometimes signup pages change, so you take them out of your list temporarily until you can fix them later in the week.
It's the laziness factor that is at the heart of all BH work - you put in the thinking work up front so you can be lazy later on rather than doing pointless manual shit work day after day.
I'm sure there's coders out there that can do it, I just wonder why bother.
It takes <1 min to post spun content on a site.
I suppose you could in theory make code do anything you wanted, but it just strikes me as a lot easier to simply just do the task or outsource it.
How long does it take you to build the code for EACH web 2.0? 2-10 hrs? And I still don't see immediately how you could bypass a lot of crap these web 2.0s do like quizilla which requires pasting actual links or embedding videos... or changing links/anchors on the fly.
I generally value my time at around $100/hr... But if you're willing to spend a solid month designing code to do these things, I must say I'm both impressed and a bit dismayed
I highly doubt even a handful of SEOers could do the level of coding you can Autumn, so cheers to you for working so hard at this as it'll be nigh on impossible for people to compete with you... though I'd argue that building a fully functioning SEO program (which is effectively what doing this for every web 2.0) is a dubious investment.
Say I spent a week and got 100 web 2.0 codes together... that's roughly $4000 worth of my time (at least), that's a lot of 3-world country labor. Actually it's equivalent to having an employee over there for an entire year.
Spending 2-3 minutes on each web 2.0 with zennoposter makes a lot of sense... spending 2-3 hrs or more to do the same thing in PHP is just... blech sounding to me. I'm sure the PHP solution is better, but I'm also pretty sure that your time could be better invested into making 200+% unique spun content or posting on 60 PR5-PR6 blogs, etc
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Autumn
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Like I said, just because you can't code that doesn't mean that other people can't.
Most experienced coders have libraries of code and code generators ready to pump these things out. I have very streamlined code generators for GET and POST requests, for making regexes and parsing forms, for doing captchas and email confirms... It becomes an issue of just bolting together a script for a given site. I'm not even considered a good coder, just an enthusiastic hacker... There are 18 year olds from Eastern Europe who can run rings around me.
For me, 95% of sites fall in 10-30 mins and then the sign up script gets added as a cronjob. So by your account, I'm ahead after the first 30 accounts, and I create at least 24 accounts per day at most of the almost 300 working unique hosts that I currently have automated.
ExpertPeon said:
I'm not trying to be offensive, but if you don't know javascript or understand the basics of how the http protocol works then I'm afraid you're not really qualified to discuss the pros and cons of automation... If you don't understand the potential of automation and are doing stuff by hand, by yourself, you are leaving a huge amount of money and volume on the table.
As for Zennoposter etc... Just say no. Real spammers use Unix.
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GoogleAlchemist
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Wow , nice, thats impressive, so you are in a sense creating your own personal senuke or other type of poster that has a ton more sites that arent getting raped by everyone else. You're a badass
I think I love you
Just because you can't code that doesn't mean the rest of us can't.
It doesn't matter whether the data is coming from html or javascript, at the end of the day it's all just plain text http transactions that can be replicated. Some sites have such trickily obfuscated javascript that they're just not worth the effort to automate via the command line; in that case, you either ignore them and move on (there are hundreds of other viable hosts out there) or you automate them using a browser, imacros and a php wrapper (or whatever system you like). The effort you put in to solving a host is proportionate to the value you perceive it has.
You're also way overstating the frequency with which hosts change their sign up pages. It's not very frequent at all because there is a serious time investment in getting a web app that is used by thousands of people to work... You just can't go changing it all the time. Yes sometimes signup pages change, so you take them out of your list temporarily until you can fix them later in the week.
It's the laziness factor that is at the heart of all BH work - you put in the thinking work up front so you can be lazy later on rather than doing pointless manual shit work day after day.
I think I love you
Expertpeon
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No doubt, I know javascript well enough, but my php is lacking considerably.
Pretty cool set up you have going I'm sure.
It's impressive, no doubt, even if you're an "enthusiastic" hacker and nothing more. PHP isn't that hard to learn from my understanding, it's def been something I've been trying to add to what I can do, however.
Cheers and as always I learn a lot from your posts.
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G-S-T
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You give them a ftp account to control 1 domain, not access to your whole server. Dont you know how to setup a simple hosting plan on your reseller account?
Most people doing SEO will have a couple if not more different hosting accounts with different companies. I have 4, each one is paid a year in advance and they cost between $70-$100 per year. I take great care to use each account to great effect across my large network of sites, Take it from somebody who knows what they are doing in this game. Follow my advice and you will get places.
Autumn
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OK so my previous post(s) may have sounded a bit bitchy but I just wanted to reiterate that if anyone is doing anything by hand day after day then they should probably think about automating it somehow. Even if you're spending 1 minute a day doing something, that's 6 hours a year that you could spend doing something more worthwhile. That's not mentioning the other advantages of automation:
* much better randomization for SEO and less footprints
* much easier proxier usage and no-effort retries = less footprints
* much less error prone
* no browser ID footprints (easily randomized)
* stuff can be put on cron so it happens all during the day and at random times; it continues even if you get sick or want to go to the beach. Cron is one of the greatest computing inventions ever.
* no RSI
* outsourced coding or even outsourced labour are cheap!
* automated stuff can have benefits for years. For example, I wrote the code that does my email confirmations via pop3 email literally years ago and it still works just as well today. Obviously code doesn't age and they're not about to change how the pop3 protocol works. I also automated fastmail.fm years ago, which gives me another 50+ free email domains to use for confirmations... They haven't changed their backend for years either.
* automated stuff can be scaled way beyond its original intention. Over the last few days I have found a network of about 200 freehost domains that all use the same signup scripts and backend... So doing the work once gives me 200 more domains I can abuse (no I'm not telling you the host). Back in the day I used to spam the crap out of the 0catch family of free hosts - one signup script worked for 70+ domains in that group of hosts. I estimate I made around 6 figures spamming porn on 0catch before those domains got a blanket penalty. Total hosting cost = a couple of hours making the sign up script (I wasn't so fast at bot creation back then - now it would take me 10 mins to do a host of that difficulty).
There's no shame in not being a coder and in fact many of the richest spammers I know (6 figures+ a month) can't code for shit. However those people also treat their operation like a real business rather than a one man show, and you won't see them doing any of their own shit by hand; as soon as a process is established, it's either automated or outsourced so aforementioned spammers can do more of what they do best, which is analysis / planning / strategic thinking.
Whether you make the automation or someone else does is neither here nor there - the main point is to get machines or cheap labour doing the tedious and boring work so you can focus on your highest value tasks (which are generally learning, researching and planning).
* much better randomization for SEO and less footprints
* much easier proxier usage and no-effort retries = less footprints
* much less error prone
* no browser ID footprints (easily randomized)
* stuff can be put on cron so it happens all during the day and at random times; it continues even if you get sick or want to go to the beach. Cron is one of the greatest computing inventions ever.
* no RSI
* outsourced coding or even outsourced labour are cheap!
* automated stuff can have benefits for years. For example, I wrote the code that does my email confirmations via pop3 email literally years ago and it still works just as well today. Obviously code doesn't age and they're not about to change how the pop3 protocol works. I also automated fastmail.fm years ago, which gives me another 50+ free email domains to use for confirmations... They haven't changed their backend for years either.
* automated stuff can be scaled way beyond its original intention. Over the last few days I have found a network of about 200 freehost domains that all use the same signup scripts and backend... So doing the work once gives me 200 more domains I can abuse (no I'm not telling you the host
). Back in the day I used to spam the crap out of the 0catch family of free hosts - one signup script worked for 70+ domains in that group of hosts. I estimate I made around 6 figures spamming porn on 0catch before those domains got a blanket penalty. Total hosting cost = a couple of hours making the sign up script (I wasn't so fast at bot creation back then - now it would take me 10 mins to do a host of that difficulty).There's no shame in not being a coder and in fact many of the richest spammers I know (6 figures+ a month) can't code for shit. However those people also treat their operation like a real business rather than a one man show, and you won't see them doing any of their own shit by hand; as soon as a process is established, it's either automated or outsourced so aforementioned spammers can do more of what they do best, which is analysis / planning / strategic thinking.
Whether you make the automation or someone else does is neither here nor there - the main point is to get machines or cheap labour doing the tedious and boring work so you can focus on your highest value tasks (which are generally learning, researching and planning).
Expertpeon
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OK so my previous post(s) may have sounded a bit bitchy but I just wanted to reiterate that if anyone is doing anything by hand day after day then they should probably think about automating it somehow. Even if you're spending 1 minute a day doing something, that's 6 hours a year that you could spend doing something more worthwhile. That's not mentioning the other advantages of automation:
* much better randomization for SEO and less footprints
* much easier proxier usage and no-effort retries = less footprints
* much less error prone
* no browser ID footprints (easily randomized)
* stuff can be put on cron so it happens all during the day and at random times; it continues even if you get sick or want to go to the beach. Cron is one of the greatest computing inventions ever.
* no RSI
* outsourced coding or even outsourced labour are cheap!
* automated stuff can have benefits for years. For example, I wrote the code that does my email confirmations via pop3 email literally years ago and it still works just as well today. Obviously code doesn't age and they're not about to change how the pop3 protocol works. I also automated fastmail.fm years ago, which gives me another 50+ free email domains to use for confirmations... They haven't changed their backend for years either.
* automated stuff can be scaled way beyond its original intention. Over the last few days I have found a network of about 200 freehost domains that all use the same signup scripts and backend... So doing the work once gives me 200 more domains I can abuse (no I'm not telling you the host
There's no shame in not being a coder and in fact many of the richest spammers I know (6 figures+ a month) can't code for shit. However those people also treat their operation like a real business rather than a one man show, and you won't see them doing any of their own shit by hand; as soon as a process is established, it's either automated or outsourced so aforementioned spammers can do more of what they do best, which is analysis / planning / strategic thinking.
Whether you make the automation or someone else does is neither here nor there - the main point is to get machines or cheap labour doing the tedious and boring work so you can focus on your highest value tasks (which are generally learning, researching and planning).
You absolutely make me feel noobish. You're such money dude. You're indeed top of the class in this industry based upon everything I've seen from you up until this point.
Despite my ample personal success in SEO, I obviously still have a long way to go.
I've been aching for several tools that I cannot find anywhere (link/comment explorer in PHP to filter blogs, etc) and it looks like I'll need to devote some time to learning more code. Sucks while in Grad school and running a dozen very busy sites to make time, but you definitely inspired me. I need to start stalking your posts on here.
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phpbuilt
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I don't think you're going to get a lot of sympathy around here from saying "doing this and that is beneath my $100 an hour earning prowess, thus it is a waste of time for any serious marketer" -- its silly. You obviously see lots of problems with programming. My recommendation -- don't program, just keep outsourcing.
I'm not going to get into the which is better, programming or outsourcing debate -- do whatever you want its a free world. But don't make programming out to be so horrid, its fun and not that hard if someone enjoys it.
Expertpeon
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I don't think you're going to get a lot of sympathy around here from saying "doing this and that is beneath my $100 an hour earning prowess, thus it is a waste of time for any serious marketer" -- its silly. You obviously see lots of problems with programming. My recommendation -- don't program, just keep outsourcing.
I'm not going to get into the which is better, programming or outsourcing debate -- do whatever you want its a free world. But don't make programming out to be so horrid, its fun and not that hard if someone enjoys it.
I code in java/CSS/html (if you call those last 2 codes) all the time, so I certainly don't hate it.
My guess is automation is better in this case... if it can be done right.
I certainly wouldn't outsource building these modules/templates though, as adjustments will need to be made and learning the code is prob a much easier task than constantly fretting over fixing them.
It's inspiring to see TRUE black hat behavior like this. It's the only reason I keep SEOing rather than just retire. I've dreamed of a WP plugin with a link dropping worm for awhile now, so I definitely need to get onto learning more actual programming.
Hard to make time, hard to make time. Beyond my weekly 70 hr SEO schedule (which is just my portion of what I do!), and handling customers for around a dozen sites (though again a lot of that is outsourced now), I am getting a MS in nuclear engineering during the day.
Anyway cheers, if you get a working UI that has modules for even 100 web 2.0s you'll be able to own 90% of all niches.
If you want funding for your efforts PM me.
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awesome~! TY
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Arite, so anyone want to summarize all that was discussed in this thread? Just kidding, I read through every single post but just have a few questions:
-- I need more than one account at every Web 2.0?
-- Which Web 2.0's would you use as your buffers (or are buffers not necessary?).
So, make crazy amount of accounts using a VPN at all the Web 2.0's, have 2-3 buffer Web 2.0's that have almost 'unique' content and link to your money site... and then blast spun content to all the other Web 2.0's that would link to the buffer sites? Does that mean that we'd need as many spins as the Web 2.0's we are submitting the articles to -- or just one spin per blast (to second tier Web 2.0's)?
Lastly, I'm not too good at coding, what softwares are available that can automate (or partially automate) posting to these Web 2.0's?
-- I need more than one account at every Web 2.0?
-- Which Web 2.0's would you use as your buffers (or are buffers not necessary?).
So, make crazy amount of accounts using a VPN at all the Web 2.0's, have 2-3 buffer Web 2.0's that have almost 'unique' content and link to your money site... and then blast spun content to all the other Web 2.0's that would link to the buffer sites? Does that mean that we'd need as many spins as the Web 2.0's we are submitting the articles to -- or just one spin per blast (to second tier Web 2.0's)?
Lastly, I'm not too good at coding, what softwares are available that can automate (or partially automate) posting to these Web 2.0's?
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First of all you "G-S-T" is right , and you have a misconception.Don't get me wrong BTB has a great service, but you have to keep in mind his seo service works well with certain type of sites and not all of them.Not everyone is building mns , you should have stated what kind of sites you are trying to rank as no one can guess if you are are building mns or regular niche sites or even authority sites.
Plus i wouldn't really be calling G-S-T off as i can see your missing some valid points in your OP.