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When you create/submit to Web 2.0 what to consider

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by todor, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. todor

    todor Regular Member

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    As most of you know one of the most effective SEO techniques currently is so called Link Pushing, which basically is $$$ site <-- Web 2.0's <-- Articles/Forum profiles/Blog comments/RSS etc...

    I'd like to stress more this topic on Web 2.0 part of this process and what is important when you create/submit to these Web 2.0 sites...

    - Content should be unique/ or well spun;
    - Manual better vs. bots submission/creation;
    - When you create let's say 15 Web 2.0's do you use different proxy for each Web 2 site or combine a proxy for each 5, etc.?
    - Do you use same e-mail for all the Web 2.0s or different for each?

    What is your success story if already using this method?

    BTW, yesterday I created few Web 2.0s with different hotmail each and didn't receive the confirmation e-mail... is this the case with hotmail or what?
     
  2. G-S-T

    G-S-T Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    if im using anything automated i always use a buffer site. Anyone taking SEO seriously needs to have at least 10 other sites in the same niche to use for link juice.

    I just run senuke 24/7 pushing deeplinks on each of my 10 spider sites. This takes the worry out of SEO penalties.

    senuke links > 10 buffer sites > money site ;)
     
  3. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Yeah... this is not true at all.
    Buffer sites take a huge amt of maintenance, and honestly aren't even worth the trouble for the type of micro niches people on here try to rank.
    They serve a purpose don't get me wrong, but I have yet to buy even 1 domain for the task and I'm doing brilliantly at SEO.
     
  4. todor

    todor Regular Member

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    Sory dude, but I don't get your point...

    Are you saying buffer sites is not worthy for micro niche sites?

    Also why should anybody buy domain for a buffer site as we can use free Web 2.0 blogs?
     
  5. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    That's precisely my point, thanks for reiterating it.
    Because google checks IPs, you need virtual ones for diff domains (or diff hosting or dedicated IPs)
    Buffer sites can serve purposes though, but yeah, def irrelevant in this regard. People who buy tons of domains to filter traffic through wind up wasting a lot of money for little gain.
     
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  6. todor

    todor Regular Member

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    I see now your point...

    Using self-hosted sites linking to the money site is definitely not recommended if those sites are hosted on the same IP, your money site is (which is the case if you use one hosting account)...

    but I'd like more we to talk about Web 2.0 properties being buffer sites...
     
  7. ContentCreation

    ContentCreation BANNED BANNED

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    Are you saying that each web 2.0 needs creating on a new IP address?? Im new to SEO, just trying to conjure up as much knowledge as possible!
     
  8. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    No the other guy was talking about buying your own domains to become a "serious" SEOer... buying domains like "purpleipads.org" in order to filter links through.
     
  9. Troshi

    Troshi Senior Member

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    Can someone elaborate a little bit more on 'buffer' sites for me? Thanks :)
     
  10. todor

    todor Regular Member

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    No, you can't control the IP of the Web 2.0 property site, but you can control the IP from which you create your Web 2 blog or the IP from which you post to your Web 2 blog/site, by using proxy server. This is a measure because Google can track from which IP a post to a Web 2 site has been made and if you post to all Web 2 sites from one IP (yours) Google may not consider these backlinks valuable.

    Buffer sites are the websites between your money site and the thousand of back links you make with Xrumer or Scrapebox or Article Marketing Robot, etc. So with other words the structure is like this:

    Buffer sites are the only one that link to your Money site. They are usually made by hand. Buffer sites are also called "Tier 1" or "First tier". Then all the other back links that you make using black hat techniques, you drive not to the money site directly, but to "First tier", so the sites from First tier act like a buffer between money site and black hat backlinks...
     
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  11. silken

    silken Junior Member

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    Is this true? I cannot imagine how Google will know the IP I used to make a post at hubpages/weebly, etc.
     
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    welly_59 Power Member

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    i don't believe that Google track ips from web2.0 sites, proxies are usually used to stop your ip being banned from the web2.0

    Sent from my GT-S5570 using Tapatalk
     
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    How can G track which IP was used to create Web 2.0's?
     
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    That is absolutely true. The point of using proxies is to hide your real IP from the web 2.0s, not from Google. If you sign up for 100 accounts at a web 2.0 using the same IP then it's very easy to ban them all at the same time. If you use a different proxy for each one then it's much harder for them to ban all your accounts at once.

    Basically if you've got 20 web 2.0s that you use, you would make an email address and find a working proxy, sign up for an account at all of them, make a new email address and get a new proxy, rinse and repeat for the next batch.

    Content wise it depends on the web 2.0. Most web 2.0s don't check so you can put up any old generated crap, other people will disagree and say you have to painstakingly hand spin your web 2.0 crap... But I bet they're not making the 50 or so web 2.0 accounts I'm making an hour.

    Re: emails, your best bet would be to use generic free emails eg. gmail, hotmail etc - domains where there would be hundreds of other people using them. Second best is to use a large number of your own domains - it's easier to automate pop3 mail, but the domains are also more identifiable in terms of getting banned. But if you've got a lot of domains it's not an issue.

    Automation or manual? Automation all the way. You do it manually the first few times to work out how to use that particular web 2.0, then you automate it. Manual is for Warriorforum chumps.
     
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    When I create tier 1 web 2.0s I make sure:

    - Content is quality and unique;
    - They are created manually;
    - They are spread across many different platforms.

    For tier 2 web 2.0s the content does not have to be quality or unique since you will be creating many of these automatically.

    Do not worry about IP addresses or e-mail addresses for manual submission (unless you are doing it very large scale), but varying them may stop you getting banned when doing automatic submission so bare that it mind.
     
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    I could be wrong here but I seriously doubt the ablitity of G00gle to understand the actual IP address of a singular (or even all posts) posted to a web 2.0 property. I have heard this before every now and then and have not yet seen any evidence to support it.

    Thinking logically about it, I cannot see where this information would be stored for an external system to access it (G00gle). The web 2.0 itself would of course have the IP data but, external parties......I don't think so personally.
     
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  17. todor

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    If it's true that changing IP is more important to hide from the Web 2.0's and not from G00gle, then I'm more relaxed :) Otherwise changing proxy for each Web 2 site is a pain in the ass.

    Thanks guys!
     
  18. G-S-T

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    Dont know what kind of buffer sites your making. But going off what you say, your doing the wrong type. Anyone who is serious about SEO and knows what they are talking about will disagree with you whole heartedly.
     
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    Anyone taking their SEO seriously would have connections with other people in the SEO business. Have you not ever heard of shared hosting exchange programs? You can setup your own easily by making a thread and recruit 10 other webmasters. All get on skype, create a ftp account for each webmaster on your hosting and allow them to add 1 of their buffer sites. They will do the same and everybody shares the resources. Make sure everybody is paid up for a years hosting and there is nothing to worry about.
     
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    Here's a good list of web2.0 blogs http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...b2-0-blog-list-60-websites-6.html#post3206724

    Regarding the talk of IPs, the point is that you need backlinks from different sites that are on different IP address hosting, not that Google knows your IP address when you post. So in other words, posting to 50 free web2.0 sites that are hosted on different IP addresses is better than posting to 50 paid/owned blogs sitting on the same hosting IP address.

    I'm in the process of automating that list above. Big chore but very much worth it. Automation is the key -- that along with readable spins.
     
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