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What college classes should I take?
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It's the misinformation drilled into you by the schooling system, fear, insecurity, and low self confidence holding people back. Nobody actually believes they can make more than what their 5k per month cushy job offers them, so they become complacent and sometimes even hostile towards the self employed. Although i can see justification if you're already in your late 30's/40's and have a mortgage with kids and debt etc etc. Ambition, passion and workethic is the perfect combination for success in my opinion. I fucking HATE apathetic people with no ambition, to me that kind of existence is not worthy.
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Yep, you can't automate going to work at a 9-5, unfortunately. Which is why IM gives me a boner.
rettaibi
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That is kinda true
Cratos
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Yeah it is smart to have a plan B.
"Inescapable fact" ? nope, no facts, just your opinion. And a sad scenario, I have to say. Out of all possibilities and everything you can do in your (rather lengthy) life... everything you can experience and accomplish... to call these few college years as some of the most fun times you could possibly have, in your whole life... well, that doesn't seem like a life I would like to lead ? life so dull that few years spent on college would seem more fun that whatever I lived through before, and everything I'd ever do after it.
Don't take this last part as a personal attack, that's not what I intended, it's just a (realistic) view of the contrast in this whole idea. Maybe you didn't mean it exactly like that, maybe you went a bit too far while trying to sell people the idea of this "once-in-a-lifetime awesome college experience", but when something is portrayed as so great and monumental that it overshadows almost everything around it, it actually says much more about the background and the context of this whole picture (life).
"You can make money at any time" - Yes, you can. Why not start now? And... while you're at it, set some time aside to enjoy life, it's not like we live in a binary world of some sort - you can actually work and enjoy life, do things you love, travel (it's internet marketing we're talking about), meet people, go out, party, do whatever you want. Wouldn't be a bad idea to also start educating yourself about more upscale ways of doing business; explore marketing, advertising, entrepreneurship, management... there's plenty of info and great books that your average marketing student never gets to see, from mid-20th-century classics by Claude Hopkins, John Caples, John Kennedy, Ogilvy to more current materials by Jay Abraham, Dan Kennedy, Holmes, Schefren, et al. The battle-tested, real-world information written from experience, by people who've actually been there, done that... not some ivory-tower musings of a typical business/marketing academician... though they have good view from there and tend to organize stuff into neat structures, so you might want to get hold of some writings by Phil Kotler and the crew, to give you some context, a worldmap.
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Anyway, OP ? I don't know what marketing and marketing-related courses you have access to, but regardless of that, I'd suggest you to focus on selling, that's perhaps single most important thing you could learn. Use every opportunity to learn more about selling and get some actual sales practice, it'll pay off much better than random theories of corporate management, Hart's postulates function mapping in application of E_ROI tracking and whatever nonsense they'd want to waste your time with. There is some good info and good courses you won't find elsewhere, that you could benefit from, but there's also plenty of BS you shouldn't waste much time on. Sales, direct marketing, copywriting ? focus on this, and you might be able to rightfully call yourself "marketer" by the time you get your degree.
(sorry for my English, I learned it from WSOs)
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There is nothing wrong with having a 9-5 job for a few years, and it does not make you a slave like what other people on here are saying. But not having a plan to save money and start your own business is what is bad. The richest man in the history of the world worked for someone else before he started his business ventures,so most of the people in this thread do not know what they are talking about.
College will also not leave you in massive amounts of debt if you go out it correctly,such as a community college for a associates degree then a regular one to finish the bachelors degree. And if you do well enough at the community college you may get scholarships offer to a regular one.
College will also not leave you in massive amounts of debt if you go out it correctly,such as a community college for a associates degree then a regular one to finish the bachelors degree. And if you do well enough at the community college you may get scholarships offer to a regular one.
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Let me share with you my side of the story...I got engineering uni degree just for kicks, as I already had knowledge and job by the time I got enrolled. 95% of people I hang out with, had no clue why are they studying and how will their job look like. Hell, one of my friends even thought that marketing is all about producing video commercials, until she had a coffee with a guy working in a marketing department of national telco company, that told her that his main tool is Excel (and that tanked her enthusiasm hard).
Nothing beats personal experience. Nothing at all. I often find out that professors (there are exemptions) are usually people that are good at selling themselves, while those that walk the walk and talk the talk are already taken by large companies and hidden from public views.
As for me, I have never worked in my diploma's field, and since I don't have any certification needed, I probably won't. I only got this, so that I can show this flimsy paper when someone asks for it.
Nothing beats personal experience. Nothing at all. I often find out that professors (there are exemptions) are usually people that are good at selling themselves, while those that walk the walk and talk the talk are already taken by large companies and hidden from public views.
As for me, I have never worked in my diploma's field, and since I don't have any certification needed, I probably won't. I only got this, so that I can show this flimsy paper when someone asks for it.
ameyrajeshirke
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same here bro,i'm still in college and most kids are like zombies already stuck in a 9 to 5 cycle
i just started with email marketing and i have couple of blogs that make me 100$/week when i tell someone that i make money from my blogs its like im speaking in an alien language revealing the incomprehensible wonders of the universe and they give me the retarded look and say well see you when i get a 100k/year job and i sarcastically laugh at their naivety and say yes
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No offence taken at all, you put across several valid points. Although i am wondering why you decided to change the words of my original post in your quote?
Maybe i came across a bit forward. If i did i apologize. I just get a little frustrated sometimes when people instantly bash college. Sure degrees are not worth as much as they used to be, but that's only part of the reason for going to college imo.
Regardless of what you attempted to convey in your post, notice that i didn't say in my OP that it is most fun you can ever have without exception, that would be ridiculous. It is Not the best thing in the world , Not the only thing you will ever enjoy, NOT the be all and end all of life. But yes as you put it, it is "someof the most fun times you could possibly have", it is a damn good time that is not to be underestimated.
Why is that a life you would not like to lead? did you not enjoy college? Admittedly college is not for everyone, and if you went and did not have a great experience i totally respect that. Or did you not go to college and your just guessing what its like?
But i really think it should be tried by people that have the opportunity, because so many people worldwide say it is an amazing part of their lives, im not alone here. The reminiscing loads of people do back to college days is incredible.
I did also mention that it was my personal experience that i would not trade for a million (not billion like you edited in your quote), and i stand by that - To put my experience into contrast. I have traveled the world for a couple of years and have seen some amazing things, im still young(ish) @25, im a full time club DJ and party with beautiful women a few times a week for living (and its a pretty good living). Im going to DJ in some of the hottest spots around the world at the start of next year for a few years. Pretty much living my dream. Its Better than college. Yet college life still is up there in the top things ive ever experienced.
My final part on "you can make money at any time" i agree with you 100%, why not start now? There are many people that use IM on here to finance their college life. Which is what i wished i had done, the synergy between IM and college life must be ideal. What i was aiming to convey is that someone who is thinking about not going to college for IM should factor in the experience they may be missing, regardless of the degree. As the college experience can only be fully attained before a certain age..
Also, as many people on here will attest, most people will not succeed in IM, they dont take action / give up etc etc. All i can say is that if i don't make a living from IM when i retire as a DJ, im glad i have my degree to fall back on.
Not sure why this is specifically applicable to me?
I just wanted to put a word in for the college side, thats all
If i offended i do apologize, its not my intention.Peace
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Thank you for your valuable contribution to this thread.
No idea... corrected one typo, then replaced a letter of another word for art's sake, then replaced some more.. it was 5 AM, I guess sleep deprivation makes inventive trolls.
I did go to college ? for a whole one year... Enough to see I'd be climbing a wrong mountain, with wrong people, for wrong purposes. I've had a better way in mind of how to use that time, and being chained to a college for the next few years was nowhere on the map. All this can be fun, unique perhaps, unrepeatable, but it gets old quite fast, with studies and lectures taking up better half of your waking time, and doing all the same shit you always do in your free time. Same people, same clubs, same parties, same "let's try something different" activities... it's like the Groundhog Day over and over again. It's all fun in the start / it's a lifestyle some people could lead forever, but I get bored rather quickly, and that clock that's ticking in my head and reminding me to go and create a future for myself doesn't help either.
You can see we have a bit different outlook on life, or we've had one then... when I take a look at the big picture of my life, I see three key points: where I started, where I want to be, and where I'm right now. And in all of this, the above scene of being trapped on a big merry-go-round ? with few key years of your life booked for more spinning ? it doesn't make me feel I'm doing any favors to myself. It's fun for a while, it's effortless, but once you take off, in terms of what you gained and opportunities you lost, you might just realize you've short-changed yourself and you could have been miles ahead of where you are right now.
And that's part of the reason why I said it isn't a life I'd like to lead (the life in which that time would be some of the best time I'd have had). But I'll end with writing about it right here... the more you write about something, the more of an issue it get perceived to be, and this isn't really an issue, we can agree that for some people, college years will be the best (or some of the best) years of their lives... that's all ok, people have different backgrounds, needs, wants, ambitions... as long as they can take a look at their life, and say they've had fun and accomplished all the important things that mattered to them, it's good, no regrets.
Well, that's true, it's good to have a degree as a plan B, and there's no better time to get it than when you're still young and your parents are willing to help you with the financing.
I wouldn't say that giving away 4-5 years of life for that is a valid or best option for everyone, but ok, we can agree that it would be a good, safe bet for most people. It's up to everyone to figure out what they want from their lives, how to get it, and what backup they can get.
It wasn't aimed at you, it was a part of my monologue aimed at whoever is bored out of their mind to read it.
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That's not really relevant. The argument isn't whether college is fun/a great experience etc, it's whether it's going to be beneficial for someone who's goal is to make money.
"if making money is the only thing your interested in" <--- This is silly. Money allows you to experience what the world has to offer. Money = abundance.
Besides, college is definitely not anywhere near the most fun you can have in life. You get drunk a lot and party.. Great, wonderful. How exactly can you not do that x1000 when you're a millionaire? I'd rather party on my yacht on the med than get drunk on cheap shots in some dingy student club then puke my guts up the next day.
No offence, but if you consider college to be the highlight of life then it's likely you've not yet achieved money/success. That's fine, but advising someone who wants to make money to go to college and 'have fun' isn't exactly very good. When you're 30 those 4 years of partying in college won't mean a damn thing and by the time you're 40 they're a distant memory that will have absolutely no impact on your life.
*EDIT* -- I see you mentioned you're a DJ in which case I can see now where you're coming from. Since your job is very social/party-oriented then the social aspect of college would have been a bigger part of your life. Until you mentioned you were a DJ you were coming across as a fat old dude who's best days were behind him.
What you have to understand though is for most people on bhw that want to make money college is not the best solution. I went to college and I loved it. I do agree it's a great experience, but not if your goal is to make money.You have to remember that everything's relative. I'm neither for nor against college. It entirely depends on what perspective you're looking at things.
Do you want to pursue a career in a particular industry: Go to college
Are you not sure what you want to do: Go to college
Do you want to have fun and meet new people: Go to college
Do you want to make money: Start a business now
On this forum I'll never advise people on here to go to college because if they're on bhw then their goals are aligned with those of the entrepreneur and college doesn't move the entrepreneur closer to where they want to be.
Yes, you can find plenty of positives from going to college, many of which are very beneficial to an entrepreneur but if B moves someone 15 steps closer and A moves someone 5 steps closer then is useful to argue that A is better because it's still positive?
This whole post is just one logical fallacy after another.
Straw-man argument: "There is nothing wrong with having a 9-5 job for a few years"
This is just completely irrelevant about as useful to this discussion as a rotten fish.
Logical fallacy 1:
Premise: "The richest man in the history of the world worked for someone else before he started his business ventures"
Conclusion: "so most of the people in this thread do not know what they are talking about."
Seriously? Do I even need to explain how ridiculous that piece of logic is?
It's just wrong on so many levels.
It's technically even a logical fallacy of a straw-man which makes it even worse. It's a straw-man because technically it's in response to something like this
"You can only succeed in business if you don't go to college"
No one's saying that. What we're saying is if you want to succeed as an entrepreneur then you're better off starting business right now.
Just because one man happened to do something one way doesn't mean it's the best for everyone on earth. You're comparing someone from a century ago in a completely different industry to online marketing in 2012.
Even if you took an example of someone with the exact same circumstances having worked for someone else before making a fortune, how would that even be relevant? The only thing you can conclude is that it's possible to work for someone else then go on to make a fortune.
The pertinent question on my mind is why is an experienced internet marketer as yourself trying to convince someone to go down the long hard path of college and scholarships? So they can eventually end up back on bhw in 10 years learning about affiliate marketing?
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Dudes, you are escalating it beyond any reasonable need. Sometimes people just have to make a decision and take the bullet.
Regarding OP's question, since IM is a fairly mysterious and sort of a new business, its hardly possible that someone can teach you anything useful
in classes, unless your professors happen to be employed by some well known Internet focused advertising agency.
Regarding OP's question, since IM is a fairly mysterious and sort of a new business, its hardly possible that someone can teach you anything useful
in classes, unless your professors happen to be employed by some well known Internet focused advertising agency.
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Op dont listen to what people tell you saying not to go to college. Internet Marketing is not going to be around much longer. I give it another 3 years or so.. College is always important and a good backup. Take Business admin classes or software programming. Always stay in school. ruke #1 always have a backup.
Take your Im money you make now and invest in a offline business or some other venture that is long term money and you wont have to be stressing out online 28 hours a day over campaigns, scammers cheaters and such.
But from some top sources and my own intelligence, Internet marketing is not going to be around much longer or easy to make money with in the future. keep a backup.
I got 2 degrees and going to school now for my law degree and still do Im on the side and own a offline biz. i like Im so I try to stick to it, kind of a hobby.
Ask yourself when internet marketing is all said and done with, whats your backup?
and its not nothing wrong with working a 9-5, as long as you doing something you enjoy and not some bullshit factory job
Take your Im money you make now and invest in a offline business or some other venture that is long term money and you wont have to be stressing out online 28 hours a day over campaigns, scammers cheaters and such.
But from some top sources and my own intelligence, Internet marketing is not going to be around much longer or easy to make money with in the future. keep a backup.
I got 2 degrees and going to school now for my law degree and still do Im on the side and own a offline biz. i like Im so I try to stick to it, kind of a hobby.
Ask yourself when internet marketing is all said and done with, whats your backup?
and its not nothing wrong with working a 9-5, as long as you doing something you enjoy and not some bullshit factory job
Am I failing to detect the sarcasm at 3 in the morning or do you really believe IM will "go away" in 3 years.
LOL
And to add to the thread I never went to college and became very successful in the offline business world and now semi successful in the online world. I have never for the life of me understood why people will trade their entire lives slaving away for a paycheck just to make someone else rich. If you have the drive and you have a computer with internet access you can become incredibly successful.
You only get 75-80 years on this planet do not waste them!!!
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Yeah, advertising on the Internet only has another 3 years. OK.
Yeah, always stay in school.
Do what your parents tell you.
Always do what a police officer tells you.
Eat heart healthy grains and colorful fruits/vegetables.
Top sources eh? I know a fair few of the big CPA network owners personally and I've never heard anyone in those circles mention the death of IM. I've only ever heard it on bhw.
What's your backup? The ability to sell, market, keep financial records, organize a business, hire and manage employees, make money, write, build sites, setup deals, communicate with people, research information, perform methodological testing, find niches that sell, know what drives consumers to buy and re-buy, copywriting, email marketing.
But, yeah.. Um, none of that's useful to employers. They just want a degree.
If you've been around since July 2008 and you're still at a stage where you even need to consider a backup plan and degrees then I definitely agree that in your case a 9-5 job is your best bet.
Everyone has their own unique perspective to bring to the table.