What am I doing wrong? Circumventing Systems on every Google Threshold account I try

Hey guys,

Thank you for taking the time to read and help me with this.

So I have been running a successful campaign for a couple months now, and saw a huge drop in traffic and conversions in the last week or so.
A little research and i found out another affiliate duplicated my original landing page (designed, created and coded by me), and uses about 8 accounts to grab the majority of traffic share.
For some reason, he is able to duplicate the exact same landing page, without even changing a single word, across 8-10 accounts without a problem.

So i decided to play his game and I have purchased a few reactivated google threshold accounts from a reputable member of this community.
Each of the account was reactivated and even ran a few dollars in a random video campaign.

I am promoting Nutra offers, and its the same offers in my personal account.
No BH keywords, or anything like that, just regular keywords like "collagen supplement" or "Green tea extract" really white hat stuff.

First attempt
The first account I have used got Circumventing systems 5 mins after submitting the campaign:
Account location: CA
Domain name: $2 Namecheap .online domain (I have used my regular account where I always buy domains, but use the whois privacy)
Landing page: I duplicated one of my working landing pages (which I used in my personal account), changed up the text a bit.
DNS: Cloudflare
Hosting: I am using S3 bucket static website hosting.
Link to offer: I used Bitly to shorten.
Browser: Incognition (received with the accounts I purchased)
IP: Sock5 Canada IP, using PIA proxy as recommended by account provider (and what he used to create account)
Campaign Budget to start: $20.
Ad text: Unique (as much as i can make it)



Second Attempt

This time, I went back to the drawing board. I created a brand new unique html/css landing page, very simple one. H1, H2, image, button.
Purchased a new domain, configured a new S3 bucket, pointed DNS to cloudflare and had a new site up.
This time instead of Bitly, I used S3 redirection rules to mask the link and redirect to the offer through a subdomain. ie... domain.com/click -> click.domain.com (subdomain) -> offer
I also clean the images from any meta data, and wrote 3 new privacy/terms/disclaimer pages to link in the footer.

This time it took about 10 mins after campaign submission to get suspended with Circumventing systems
Yay! we survived 5 extra mins lol!

Account location: UK
Domain name: $2 Namecheap .online domain (I have used my regular account again)
Landing page: Completely new, meta cleaned images
DNS: Cloudflare
Hosting: S3 bucket static website hosting.
Link to offer: Redirect through link mask via subdomain)
Browser: Incognition (received with the accounts I purchased)
IP: Sock5 UK london IP, using PIA proxy as recommended by account provider (and what he used to create account)
Campaign Budget to start: $20.
Ad text: Unique (as much as I can make it)


So guys, any suggestions?
What am I doing wrong?
The supplier of the account says that circumventing systems is usually something in the landing page or my keyword targeting. But i don't think its the case since my first landing page is being used in 10 accounts without an issue, and the new landing page was so vanilla, there's no way thats what's flagging it.

Can it be the domains? Maybe i should try an aged domain from an auction?
Can it be the IP? Its the same proxy company the supplier is using to create them...
Can it be my setup? Besides the ad text being a bit different, its almost the same setup from my personal account. Just geo targeting, regular search campaign, website clicks goal...

I'm breaking my head.... :-(
I got a couple more account to try out and I don't want to throw the money away, especially when rent is due in a few days

I would really appreciate any help
Thanks again for taking the time!

How about Trying different Anti browser and proxy? i used Reactived accounts myself, i see Circumventing systems only with super spammed campaigns never ever with whithat camps!
I m using Dolphin browser and residential socks5! you can dm me we can help each other by trying! i did 1 month hit and trial on google ads and able to make threshold accounts live with good ratio!

bananapancakes said:

Hey guys,

Thank you for taking the time to read and help me with this.

So I have been running a successful campaign for a couple months now, and saw a huge drop in traffic and conversions in the last week or so.
A little research and i found out another affiliate duplicated my original landing page (designed, created and coded by me), and uses about 8 accounts to grab the majority of traffic share.
For some reason, he is able to duplicate the exact same landing page, without even changing a single word, across 8-10 accounts without a problem.

So i decided to play his game and I have purchased a few reactivated google threshold accounts from a reputable member of this community.
Each of the account was reactivated and even ran a few dollars in a random video campaign.

I am promoting Nutra offers, and its the same offers in my personal account.
No BH keywords, or anything like that, just regular keywords like "collagen supplement" or "Green tea extract" really white hat stuff.

First attempt
The first account I have used got Circumventing systems 5 mins after submitting the campaign:
Account location: CA
Domain name: $2 Namecheap .online domain (I have used my regular account where I always buy domains, but use the whois privacy)
Landing page: I duplicated one of my working landing pages (which I used in my personal account), changed up the text a bit.
DNS: Cloudflare
Hosting: I am using S3 bucket static website hosting.
Link to offer: I used Bitly to shorten.
Browser: Incognition (received with the accounts I purchased)
IP: Sock5 Canada IP, using PIA proxy as recommended by account provider (and what he used to create account)
Campaign Budget to start: $20.
Ad text: Unique (as much as i can make it)



Second Attempt

This time, I went back to the drawing board. I created a brand new unique html/css landing page, very simple one. H1, H2, image, button.
Purchased a new domain, configured a new S3 bucket, pointed DNS to cloudflare and had a new site up.
This time instead of Bitly, I used S3 redirection rules to mask the link and redirect to the offer through a subdomain. ie... domain.com/click -> click.domain.com (subdomain) -> offer
I also clean the images from any meta data, and wrote 3 new privacy/terms/disclaimer pages to link in the footer.

This time it took about 10 mins after campaign submission to get suspended with Circumventing systems
Yay! we survived 5 extra mins lol!

Account location: UK
Domain name: $2 Namecheap .online domain (I have used my regular account again)
Landing page: Completely new, meta cleaned images
DNS: Cloudflare
Hosting: S3 bucket static website hosting.
Link to offer: Redirect through link mask via subdomain)
Browser: Incognition (received with the accounts I purchased)
IP: Sock5 UK london IP, using PIA proxy as recommended by account provider (and what he used to create account)
Campaign Budget to start: $20.
Ad text: Unique (as much as I can make it)


So guys, any suggestions?
What am I doing wrong?
The supplier of the account says that circumventing systems is usually something in the landing page or my keyword targeting. But i don't think its the case since my first landing page is being used in 10 accounts without an issue, and the new landing page was so vanilla, there's no way thats what's flagging it.

Can it be the domains? Maybe i should try an aged domain from an auction?
Can it be the IP? Its the same proxy company the supplier is using to create them...
Can it be my setup? Besides the ad text being a bit different, its almost the same setup from my personal account. Just geo targeting, regular search campaign, website clicks goal...

I'm breaking my head.... :-(
I got a couple more account to try out and I don't want to throw the money away, especially when rent is due in a few days

I would really appreciate any help
Thanks again for taking the time!

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Not a domains problem, probably not IP problem, probably not campaign setup problem (main settings, geo etc). Since you're using multiple different keywords i'd say probably not keywords problem as well (but one of them can be flagged).

Technical setup is quite ok (i'm getting live with more shitty antidetect and ip's), i wouldn't focus on that at all.
In that case i'd say it's either your attempts to cloak link (which google probably still follows so they know what you're trying to promote) and afflink is flagged (so try making lander without any links to see if it'll go live, or better - take somebody elses' website), or these threshold accounts are shitty (can't tell), but to be honest two attempts is nothing in terms of testing, and it looks like you're desperatelly trying to get live with your money campaign, so probably your white keywords are not as white as you think, so are your ads and your lander

So just an update in the meantime,
I actually jumped on a zoom with @bleedpost1 who was very kind to help me review my process and showing me some of the ropes.
We detected 2 issues with my config (so far)
1. Checking my connection with iphey showed my hardware as leaking. I updated the setting to pass it. (But removes canvas print masking)
2. I was maximizing the browser to my screen size, which was usually above the setting screen size.

Not sure if that's the issue yet, but I just created a new camp (to a different page as @VitalyProkofiev suggested. Also this landing page is with self links (href="#")

I also, created a new Namecheap account & Cloudflare account using the main Gmail for the MCC that's holding the thresholds accs, and also used the account payment billing details as the registration for the domain.
S3 still under my account.

Attempt 3 on going....

bananapancakes said:

So just an update in the meantime,
I actually jumped on a zoom with @bleedpost1 who was very kind to help me review my process and showing me some of the ropes.
We detected 2 issues with my config (so far)
1. Checking my connection with iphey showed my hardware as leaking. I updated the setting to pass it. (But removes canvas print masking)
2. I was maximizing the browser to my screen size, which was usually above the setting screen size.

Not sure if that's the issue yet, but I just created a new camp (to a different page as @VitalyProkofiev suggested. Also this landing page is with self links (href="#")

I also, created a new Namecheap account & Cloudflare account using the main Gmail for the MCC that's holding the thresholds accs, and also used the account payment billing details as the registration for the domain.
S3 still under my account.

Attempt 3 on going....

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1. Google does not like unique canvases, that's true
2. If the viewport was bigger than profile screen size then it's also a red flag
Both could absolutely trigger "attempting to use the Google Ads system again by creating new accounts in order to re enter the system"

So @bleedpost1 provided very good advice to you. Update us on how it went

@bananapancakes
1. Have you purchased an account with a Proxy Cookie or RDP? If you change the IP address of the account, you need to "warm up" for a few days before creating a new campaign. It's better to use the original IP address generated for the account.
2. Circumventing System policies => In most cases, problem comes from your landing page and ad copy, so check the ad text, keywords, and landing pages (focus on landing page). Don't use afflink services like Bitly.
3. Try using a different account provider if you don't find any issues with your campaign.

Perhaps the links should first led to your domain and not the link shortener. Also If the ad accounts are bought I have bought warmed up accounts with dummy ads so that you are sure the account is 100% good.

bananapancakes said:

just regular keywords like "collagen supplement" or "Green tea extract" really white hat stuff

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Collagen supplement / green tea extract are NOT pure whitehat. So, change the strategy that you use, for running such niches in Google Ads. Otherwise, you will keep getting accounts suspended.

So guys, quick update.

Google logged me out yesterday as I finished submitting a campaign under the "Suspicious activity in your account" reason.
Had to wait till the morning realizing I never asked the vendor for the passwords (silly me)
The vendor helped recover everything in the morning and than checking the campaign, it was also rejected for "Malicious Software"



Thinking it was rejected because of the lockout, I just edited and resubmitted the ad, as you can imagine that didn't work either and was rejected again under the same reason.
I found it a little wired, as the only JS on the site is the google tag (new one linked to the account), and there aren't even any outgoing links (href="#") or redirection of them. And I don't think its the video, as I created a $5 budget campaign in the same account but with a link to a random restaurant

Again, just to give you guys a better picture, I am running a $400 daily budget using this video and very similar landing page to a CB offer in my personal account Unfortunately ROI is like 10%-15% otherwise I would be running it at $4K (Still waiting to find that unicorn lol)


Thinking google might not like the (href="#"), I switched back to my old way of "domain.com/click -> click.domain.com (subdomain) -> offer"
Updated the landing page, deleted the rejected ad, its adgroup and campaign, and created a new campaign.
This time I linked to the same offer with the same link I have running in my personal account. (just different CB affiliate ID)

VitalyProkofiev said:

In that case i'd say it's either your attempts to cloak link

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And I'm not doing it as an attempt to clock link, but rather to be able to rotate offers or control the redirection if needed to for testing.
But you right, google still might not like it...

About 15 mins after, rejected for the same reason :-(
I think something is still leaking (although passed iphey), or the flag is just stuck on this account...

Good new are, the account is still live... So maybe its not canned yet and maybe its not my data leaking.

So my next attempt to create the same campaign in the last account I have, this time changing the redirection to the restaurant and switch it after getting a few clicks.
How fast do you think google will pickup on the changed link? And would it even matter if the landing page the same?
I guess will find out lol, lets first get the campaign validated.

kavo said:

Google does not like unique canvases, that's true

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So the question here I guess, how don't they shut down all of our accounts if we show the same fingerprints on different geos and different IPs? And it looks like that data is clearly visible if iphey.com can see it.
If I had to program their security system, this is the first flag I would look for, no?

VRTV said:

Have you purchased an account with a Proxy Cookie or RDP? If you change the IP address of the account, you need to "warm up" for a few days before creating a new campaign. It's better to use the original IP address generated for the account.

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No proxy cookie, or RDP. He is setting them up using Sock5 residential IPs (PIA proxies) and didn't actually share the IP with me, which now i understand i should have asked as i could have just reserved the IPs he used or find something closed to it based on the ip & zip code.
He did give me a login to incognition with the accounts already setup there.

VRTV said:

Try using a different account provider if you don't find any issues with your campaign.

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This would be my last result, although its very possible his accounts are just shitty. The easy way out is to blame him.
I do think it is most likely my fault as I'm new to threshold and bound to make a million mistakes.
Even not asking for IP or password, is 100% testament to how newb I am lol

Tinfoil said:

Perhaps the links should first led to your domain and not the link shortener. Also If the ad accounts are bought I have bought warmed up accounts with dummy ads so that you are sure the account is 100% good.

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Yes each of the account had a dummy campaign to some restaurant with spend between $5-$12, also they have all been reactive after suspicious payments.
Bitly attempt was a mistake, I now take the time to generate a subdomain, and run redirection on Amazon S3 bucket rules (To avoid any funny JS in the HTML) which should be normal as this is basically how PHP or any server side rules like nginx or Apache will act.
( I think, I'm about 3-4 out of 10 in server stuff so don't catch me on this lol)

Trust WorkShop said:

Collagen supplement / green tea extract are NOT pure whitehat.

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This is interesting, do you mind elaborating why? Is it because many people spam to Nutra, so google is more alert?
In my personal campaigns, Ashwagandha landing page was approved but one of the keywords "Ashwagandha pills" was rejected initially with reason related to health products but allowed it after a quick appeal.
Logically i would think supplements which are available in every CVS or Amazon won't have much issue with Google ads, no?

And to finish this long post, I would like to thank everyone for taking the time to help!
This community rocks!

bananapancakes said:

So guys, quick update.

Google logged me out yesterday as I finished submitting a campaign under the "Suspicious activity in your account" reason.
Had to wait till the morning realizing I never asked the vendor for the passwords (silly me)
The vendor helped recover everything in the morning and than checking the campaign, it was also rejected for "Malicious Software"

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Thinking it was rejected because of the lockout, I just edited and resubmitted the ad, as you can imagine that didn't work either and was rejected again under the same reason.
I found it a little wired, as the only JS on the site is the google tag (new one linked to the account), and there aren't even any outgoing links (href="#") or redirection of them. And I don't think its the video, as I created a $5 budget campaign in the same account but with a link to a random restaurant

Again, just to give you guys a better picture, I am running a $400 daily budget using this video and very similar landing page to a CB offer in my personal account Unfortunately ROI is like 10%-15% otherwise I would be running it at $4K (Still waiting to find that unicorn lol)
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Thinking google might not like the (href="#"), I switched back to my old way of "domain.com/click -> click.domain.com (subdomain) -> offer"
Updated the landing page, deleted the rejected ad, its adgroup and campaign, and created a new campaign.
This time I linked to the same offer with the same link I have running in my personal account. (just different CB affiliate ID)

And I'm not doing it as an attempt to clock link, but rather to be able to rotate offers or control the redirection if needed to for testing.
But you right, google still might not like it...

About 15 mins after, rejected for the same reason :-(
I think something is still leaking (although passed iphey), or the flag is just stuck on this account...

Good new are, the account is still live... So maybe its not canned yet and maybe its not my data leaking.

So my next attempt to create the same campaign in the last account I have, this time changing the redirection to the restaurant and switch it after getting a few clicks.
How fast do you think google will pickup on the changed link? And would it even matter if the landing page the same?
I guess will find out lol, lets first get the campaign validated.


So the question here I guess, how don't they shut down all of our accounts if we show the same fingerprints on different geos and different IPs? And it looks like that data is clearly visible if iphey.com can see it.
If I had to program their security system, this is the first flag I would look for, no?



No proxy cookie, or RDP. He is setting them up using Sock5 residential IPs (PIA proxies) and didn't actually share the IP with me, which now i understand i should have asked as i could have just reserved the IPs he used or find something closed to it based on the ip & zip code.
He did give me a login to incognition with the accounts already setup there.



This would be my last result, although its very possible his accounts are just shitty. The easy way out is to blame him.
I do think it is most likely my fault as I'm new to threshold and bound to make a million mistakes.
Even not asking for IP or password, is 100% testament to how newb I am lol


Yes each of the account had a dummy campaign to some restaurant with spend between $5-$12, also they have all been reactive after suspicious payments.
Bitly attempt was a mistake, I now take the time to generate a subdomain, and run redirection on Amazon S3 bucket rules (To avoid any funny JS in the HTML) which should be normal as this is basically how PHP or any server side rules like nginx or Apache will act.
( I think, I'm about 3-4 out of 10 in server stuff so don't catch me on this lol)


This is interesting, do you mind elaborating why? Is it because many people spam to Nutra, so google is more alert?
In my personal campaigns, Ashwagandha landing page was approved but one of the keywords "Ashwagandha pills" was rejected initially with reason related to health products but allowed it after a quick appeal.
Logically i would think supplements which are available in every CVS or Amazon won't have much issue with Google ads, no?

And to finish this long post, I would like to thank everyone for taking the time to help!
This community rocks!

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Did you manage to make it work?

did you pass or reactived after circumventing policy suspend if yes tell us how !!

andypo3512 said:

did you pass or reactived after circumventing policy suspend if yes tell us how !!

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Today's advice : if your account gets circumventing just forget it, i never seen any cases where reactivation was successful, so better just move on

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