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Web2.0 carnage...What a day!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by hmeister, Oct 15, 2014.

  1. hmeister

    hmeister BANNED BANNED

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    I like this forum a lot but I'm the first to admit I am not a massive blackhatter.

    Sure, I use MS, GSA, TBS and ZS to build links and create content but only on niches I am testing out - I have never had the balls to really go all out on them for my main authority sites in financial services such as insurance and tax although I have used GSA for tiers that are miles away from my moneysites.

    Anyway, I decided yesterday to really go for it on one of my money sites by utilising web2.0 platforms. I have a love/hate relationship with web2.0's as I find a lot of them to be very ineffective when it comes to SERP movements but I have seen some really strange things this week (another post for that!) that tell me they still have a lot of worth.

    So, from 11.30ish pm GMT until 2am this morning I created 31 web2.0s manually to add to the 43 I already have. It's not rocket science but if anyone is interested, here is how I did it.

    1. I created more email addresses with the likes of gmx.com, inbox.com, myway.com, outlook.com, yahoo.com and I used a few of my dormant domains as well. I rarely use gmail.

    2. I created more web identities using LastPass (its free) using the email addresses above. You can then use this for form fills with one click and it is a massive time saver when creating new accounts.

    3. I open up notepad and create 6 different "about us" style descriptions - each one spun really well. Spend some time on this as it gives your site legitimacy.

    4. I made sure that my copy of HMA (HideMyAss) changed its IP every time I used a new email address, so for example if I made a web2.0 with wordpress using one email address, I then changed my IP before using another email address and identity to make another wordpress site. This is probably overkill and it makes me feel better but its up to you - I don't think G has any way of seeing where you created a web2.0 site but that's just me :)

    5. I created a folder and populated it with about 70 CC images that I had on my laptop and 11 videos of mine from my money site BUT using the YouTube URL.

    6. Almost all of the 31 sites had the keyword in their site name, 'brand+keyword' or at the very least, a close variation, so if your keyword was 'Ford cars' then I would make sure that I had 'car', 'auto', 'vehicle' or something similar in the site name.

    7. I then opened up the money site that I am trying to point each site to. I am slightly fortunate that this site has been around since 2010 and has over 600 posts on there. Every single page or post is original and written by me. I then chose my most popular posts (this site is in GWT as I want complete legitimacy with it being an authority site) and opened up approx.10 of them in new browser tabs.

    8. I went to sleep at 2am. I woke up at 7am this morning and started to work on each of the sites I had created. Fortunately, I have a repository of over 60 posts/articles on my niche that I have not yet used. Some were written for me but the majority were done by me (using my old favourite Dragon Dictate)

    This isn't a 'journey' thread, more an explanation of how I create external websites to rank my main site and for a lot of you reading this, it will be too labour (or labor) intensive.
    So far today I have populated 19 of the 31 websites with content and I will revisit each of them in a week or so to add more. I really diversified the anchor text with generic anchors, my brand, my brand+keyword, click here, this page, exact keyword anchors and naked URLs such as www, http:// and .com for example. Some web2.0s are a real pain to work with...

    I will let you know how it goes and see if this insane amount of manual work actually pays off but be warned, I am in a hugely competitive niche so I don't know how it will go.
     
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  2. Spuffed

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    Wow man, lots of work done! But I guess gotta put in the hard yards now to reap the benefits later. May I see an example of one of your web 2.0's? If that's okay... if not, that's cool too (obviously for niche reasons, but i'm no where near experienced enough to rank a highly competitive niche).

    Edit: What's MS? TBS? ZS (ZSubmitter?)?
     
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  3. hmeister

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    Sorry, I fell into the trap of expecting everyone to know. MS=Magic Submitter. TBS=The Best Spinner. ZS=ZSubmitter

    I'm sure you will understand that I won't share my niche on this one but just use this as your rule of thumb...Good, original content mixed with video and images if you can (but not essential). Check out this thread from BassTrackerBoats about the way he approaches web2.0s as well and use it as your guide when creating content.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/my-journey-discussions/702805-authority-site-search-engine-optimization-case-study.html

    As I said, it's not a quick win but once the hard work is done, all you have to do is add content on a regular basis.
     
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  4. Spuffed

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    Cheers for that man!

    Of course, thanks for that share... I'll definitely give it a read!

    So for all those web 2.0 articles you used ZS, TBS and MS?
     
  5. hmeister

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    No sorry, I'm not doing a great job of explaining this am I :)

    I only used original content for each of them but I'm not averse to using TBS BUT only if you spin your article at the paragraph or sentence level - I hate these shitty auto-posts that TBS does so spend a little time on them and they should be ok.

    I only use MS, GSA and ZS on other, newer niches currently but I have used GSA on tiers 3&4 for one of my main sites. I'm a big believer that if you don't fully understand what you are doing (and I don't with GSA) then keep it away from your main sites as you could do it serious damage.
     
  6. hmeister

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    One thing I should add...I don't believe G has the ability to spot spun articles just yet (I know they can't - more details in another post on something I discovered this week) but I am sure they are working on it. The only reason I am using original content is because if that day ever comes, I don't want to have to re-do 74 sites!
     
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    Nice job.... That is a lot of hard work but it will pay off eventually
     
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  8. Spuffed

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    Haha no i'm sure you are! I'm just new and unexperienced is all :)
    Ah right, so original content... and how many articles do you need per web 2.0? Also are you outsourcing these articles or writing it yourself?

    Definitely, if you want to do it right, do it yourself... but for throwaway sites, use programs.

    So you're taking precautions now so IF something does happen, you'll be safe. Not a bad thing for all IM'ers to take note of.
     
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    Nice job, have bookmarked and looking forward to seeing your results
     
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    Why don't you just outsource? it's just 50$.. I guess u already have an authority site that drive u decent income, use that and sleep better bro..
     
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    With outsourcing the link building process, you are not sure if the provider will deliver in full quality. If you do it yourself manually, you are 100% sure that you put quality in what you do and you do it how you want it.
     
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    That a lot of work man, update us with the result
     
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    Lot of work but hopefully it will pay off.
     
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    Why to do that manual when there is a software that is doing exactly all the steps :)
     
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    do you mind sharing your web2.0 list?
     
  16. hmeister

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    I always write them myself and whilst I may not spend as much time on them as my moneysite articles, they are still far better quality than anything you could spin or buy, IMO. I tend to place one artice on them and then revisit in a week or so to add more. Sometimes I just add an image with a caption in between so it looks more natural.

    Again as above, I prefer to do them myself but I'm not averse to outsourcing at all and I do on a regular basis for other sites.

    I know but I want to keep control and anything that is going directly to my money site means I want to ensure quality, both in the content and the creation. I use Magic Submitter and FCS Networker to do the same on other sites but not one of my main moneysites.

    It's all the usual suspects. Wordpress, Tumblr, Jimdo, Jigsy, Blogster, etc. Search on here because lists have been shared many times. I even use Beep now even though I previously dismissed that platform and Tumblr as having no effect on my SERP movements (to date they still have had no apparent effect) but as I said in my original post, I noticed some odd rankings in another very competitive niche I am scoping out and they are ranking using a load of sites utilising Beep as one of their main web2.0s.

    My money site used to be King but a lot of bad stuff I did back in 2008/2009 has come back to spank me (I noticed I had over 4,000 links with exactly the same keyword anchor text!) The site is good, never had a manual penalty but it has slipped down the G rankings and this is my renewed effort to get it back up there. This is not a journey thread - just a simple 'how-to' for all those people who hear about creating web2.0s but never get around to it.
     
  17. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Impressive to say the least!

    If I wore a hat it would be off to you!
     
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    Very good, just shows success and hard work go hand in hand.
     
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  19. ComputerEngineer

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    these are all futile and waste of time things to me

    i think what only works is now real referral traffic links
     
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    I know a guy that makes low to mid six figures on his websites using Web 2.0s as part of the base of his backlinking.

    That is neither futile nor a waste of time.
     
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