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  1. rootkat

    rootkat Registered Member

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    For the love of everything which is holy and binary: stop spamming useless crap (and shitty comments) to blogs.

    Why?

    Because not only does it waste bandwidth, annoys people and is not helpful to you at all ... it's just plain dumb and ruins proxies & and experience for everyone.

    So let me give you the list version of why NOT to spam blogs with "good post, bookmarked" type comments (and the obvious spam comments of "@#$ ?????? buy v1agra"):

    • Waste of your time -> You're comments won't stick anyway.
    • You're not getting any extra 'quality' backlinks from this -> Since google frowns upon spammed blogs, you're link won't count anyway and it might actually hurt your ranking
    • You're ruining public proxies for everyone else
    • You then (usually) create 'omg, my scrabebox comments don't work' threads -> Way too many of these already on BHW and elsewhere
    • You're using a great mass commenting TOOL as a spamming tool -> that just aint cool

    Ah, and so many more reasons. But those were the only ones I wanted to get off my chest.

    So, here's how you can find quality targeted sites to comment on, how to filter them out, how to properly pick out public proxies (though it's best to use private ones) AND how to write decent to perfectly normal comments which get accepted with a 90% rate (or so):

    How To Find Targeted Sites With Scrapebox

    First and foremost, this part doesn't matter if you use private or public proxies. For scraping lists and whatnot: I generally use public proxies to keep my private proxy provider off my back about bandwith/SB/ect...

    So, picking great target sites is actually rather easy (but not 'simple') ... this part assumes you don't have a decent keyword list yet and only a main keyword:

    1. Open up the Google Wonderwheel scraper and enter in your main keyword
    2. Set the "level" for 2. Level 3 generally gave my too many bad results
    3. scrape keywords and save to main list
    4. Filter the keyword list! Do not just automagically use that list you got back. There are bound to be a handful of bad, irrelavent or otherwise crap keywords in there.
    5. Set 'blogs to gether' to around 50-100. I generally go with 100 per keyword because any more and usually the results don't give any PR worthy links.
    6. Select all the search engines
    7. Scrape

    How To Filter Out Bad Keywords

    This is bound to come up as a question, so here's 'my' answer. Other's will most likely have a different point of view:

    Let's say you're going into the "dog training" niche. The obvious first keywords to remove would be anything that doesn't include "dog" in it. Thus, if you got back "dog training, cat training, dog house training, horse breaking" well, you can eliminate the kitty cat and the horse power. They are animals and it's related to training, but not about dog training in the least bit.

    Let's also assuming you have a blog with a product for sale, then you'll also want to eliminate anything with the word "free" in it. This one is really iffy though. You can get links from sites with "free" in them, but those are most likely competitors products or actual free stuff. And anyone looking for free stuff isn't going to whip out their credit card for you without a hell of a lot of good reasons.

    So, another lists ... things to filter out:
    • Anything not related to your niche directly or indirectly
    • anything with free (optional)
    • Anything too general. From the 'dog training' example, I would filter out 'animal training' because it's just way too general for anyone to care really. IMO

    Are there more things? yeah probably, but there are plenty of posts here on BHW to teach you proper keyword selection.

    How To Pick Out Great Public Proxies in Scrapebox

    There is a 'find public proxies' button in Scrapebox. Use it. But why-o-why would you want or need more than 20-30 proxies anyway? If you're answer is "because it'll help me get more blogs to comment on", it might ... but we're going for targeted comments. Relevant blogs. If you are getting THAT many results back you are doing something really weird. I've never had a need for more than 25 personally. Seems to work a-ok without issues.

    So, how to find the good ones?

    Don't pick ALL the options for the proxy lists. To save on time, just pick 2-4 from the list. I generally go with any 3 (usually the smaller ones). You'll get a list back quickly.

    FIRST thing you want to do is: Remove duplicates.

    This will save you much time. After that's done, test the proxies (including the google test). Most will fail one or more of the tests. No biggie. You'll want at least 40 proxies to come out after it's all said and done.

    After all the proxies are tested, remove failures. And test again! Yup. Test them again, because some just have a nice tendency to work once and then never again. So test twice (total) and you'll get pretty good proxies out of that.

    And that's it. Once you've tested twice you should be set with pretty good public proxies.

    How To Filter Out 'Bad' blogs, and low PR blogs

    Let's talk about PR first. There was a big discussion a while ago (maybe it's still going on) about Domain PR and Page PR. This is what I do (you're milage may vary):

    Check PAGE rank.

    But before you go checking the PR, the best bet (IMO) is to filter about any potential problem sites (spam/virus/ect). So run the Blog checker and malicious blog filter plugins. Only leave 'clean' blogs, and ones that are OPEN and do not have captcha on them. If they have 'spam' protection on, it's ok. They are worthy blogs to comment on.

    After you have this cleaned list, THEN check page PR. This will take a while. If you have your 20+ proxies, set the delay to NONE and let it rip. It'll go by decently fast if you have a good broadband connection.

    Which blogs to leave? I go with PR0 and higher. Best to mix in the zero ranks just to keep things a bit more natural looking. At least that's what I've heard and it seems to be working fine for me.

    How To Write Comments That Get Accepted

    First and foremost: "Hi, you're blog is great. thanks" is NOT a good comment.

    Second, though this one is REALLY a topic of debate: do not use the keyword as the commenter name. Use real names. They get much better acceptance rates. Why? Well, think about it ...

    If on your blog you got a comment from "Increase Your Dick Size", do you honestly think that's not a spam-ish comment? 99% of REAL comments come from people with real name is: George (not bush, that guys an idiot), Madalyn, ectect..... Why do you think large corporates shell out millions each year in paid "testimonials". If you read them (the paid testimonials) they are made by commenter/reviews with real names, jobs, histories and the works. But if, for example, EA made a review by 'Final Fantasy XV' and this 'commenter' never had any history, it's doubtful that anyone would believe it.

    So, use a name. Scrapebox does have a name generator. It's pretty good. E-mail address doesn't really matter AS much. but here's a thing or two I learned about quality e-mail address names. Real e-mail addresses almost never:


    Most geniun e-mails I have seen are from things like:

    • John.Smith@hotmail.com
    • BobbieIsAnAlien@googlemail.com
    • Bob@bobswebsite.com
    • or even stuff like: SexyKittenz@hotmail.com

    Random numbers in names are not generally accepted. Words though, are. toss in a bunch of random words as e-mails and you'll have a nice set to go on! One other thing you can do is tell scrabebox to NOT include a number when generating e-mail addresses. Though that causes obvious problems if that person exists ....

    So, on to how to create an actual comment ....

    Open up one of the top sites in the internal scrapebox browser and read the post. Yes, I know. READING! How horrid right? Well, you want comments and stick, are relevant and get accepted ... do that. Read what people are saying (read the comments as well).

    Then to the first article, write an actual response to it as if you were really going to respond to it. Of course don't. Write this in a text file somewhere.

    Do this for a new more posts and you'll have a decent collection of comments. Won't take too long. 10 minutes tops!

    Copy these comments into the comment field/form/file in scrapebox and start editing. But edit by copy-paste and edit the new copy. Leave the old comments. You are NOT spinning anything yet, not really.

    The point here is that you take your, let's say, 5 comments and you rewrite those 5 comments. Completely rewrite them. Then rewrite them again. Therefore you'll get 15 total unique comments.

    How long should a comment be? Anywhere between 2-5 sentences and 1-2 paragraphs. No need to write a book as a response.

    Then after you have 15 comments, start spinning BY SENTENCE. That usually isn't too hard. And then spin by word.

    By the end of it all, you'll have a heck of a lot of 'unique' comments ready to post. If you have it, try using the Best Spinner or something like that, so spin the words for you. I'm really too lazy to spin {Hi|Hello|Hiya} 50 times for each word and whatnot.

    Private Proxy or Public Proxy For Commenting?

    That depends on your budget ... and on the proxy provider. Packet Flip proxies, and SEO Proxies do not allow ScrapeBox traffic. A bunch more which are advertised here on BHW also do not allow them. check with your provider to make sure.

    A cheap private elite proxy will run you in the range of $25 for 10 to $50 for 10 ... depending on the host. For commenting, probably best to go with the best and cheapest offer you can get. It's not what I use, but that's what I recommend to new-commers.

    Private proxies will have the advantage of giving you significantly higher comment accept rates.

    Public proxies, on the other hand, are cheap (free) but you will not get nearly as good accept rates on your comments. Also public proxies have a tendency to be abused by others so your comment might be flagged as spam 'eventually'. And they also have a tendency to go down on ya, and not in a good way.

    edit to proxy info: As pointed out by gregstereo: Public proxies are also slower than private ones (for obvious reasons). So not only will you get less comments in, it'll also take you longer to do it.

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    Sorry for the long rant and tutorial. I just hope some people can put it to good use.

    quick note to mods: I didn't know which section this should be in. And since it's partially a rant, I put it in the lounge. Sorry if it's in the wrong place.
     
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  2. mktanny

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    I recently purchased SB and i prefer doing commenting mostly manually..thnx for this though nice advice -really helpful for a new SB user.
     
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    Great advice but how do you explain the guy who's ranking #1 for the keyword "SEX". Look at his backlink, all coming from spammed blogs arent they?

    So your comment, "You're not getting any extra 'quality' backlinks from this -> Since google frowns upon spammed blogs, you're link won't count anyway and it might actually hurt your ranking may not hold true".
     
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    I'll keep this as a reference as I just purchased SB today.
     
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    lol ;)

    Thanks for the share!
     
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    lol OP i know exactly what you mean. I just saw this morning that I'd received a comment on my brand new travel blog's first and only post. Some Rtard made a link to his spammy watch sports online site. Not related, and my site is complete shit. Not only that, but i don't have comments allowed and i'm obviously not going to approve that shit. Waste of people's time.
     
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    Excellent post! This and loopline's videos and a couple other things should be like ScrapeBox 102 (101 would be the usage guide, the sbox youtube channel, and yes actually scanning through the entire bst thread - esp. sweetfunny's own posts there - once you get past the 20th person asking "what is proxy?" you'll figure out how to glean the gold in those hills).

    Only thing I would add is proxies impact the speed as well as the success rate. Public proxies tend to be very congested and slower than ones you can find elsewhere.

    peace - gregs.
     
  8. rootkat

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    I can't deny the fact that is CAN work. I just don't subscribe to that pathetic method. The more links the better, that's true. Though there are always exceptions to every rule, including the quality rule.

    It's very possible they spammed anything and everything while keeping it 'under the radar' from Google in-order to not get sandboxed. Maybe they just took it a bit slow and used multiple venues to generate links for them. :: shrug ::

    Lol indeed :)

    @Gregstereo: oh yeah. good point. I'll add that. thanks.
     
  9. ProfitNow

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    ok so you say that names are better to use instead because its more successful.. so how do we get ranked for the keyword and website we want to get a backlink for?

    i should write the comments and at the bottom of the comment i should put the url hyperlink ? <A HREF="my-url-keyword-here.htm">My Link Text Here</A>
     
  10. lewi

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    Really sound advice but i do it differently!

    I spam and then i go back and look at the un-successful ones and check their PR, if they are worth commenting on then yep i do take the time to write a manual comment (although normally very generic and only taking the title into account and not reading the whole article)

    Still this also depends on what i am linking to and why i am linking there!

    Lewi
     
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    Great post. Awesome forum. Bookmarking and sending to all my friends. Are you a journalist? It is a pleasure reading your articles. May I quote a part of this on my blog with a link back to you? Keep up the great work. Cialis Viagra Free Sex Tonight Autographed Justin Bieber Cock Molds Lose Weight Fast

    I generally like to browse some news sites and wikipedia for the niche and/or keywords and then I grab snippets that I think may be seen as more plausible comments, on the generic side, but focused on the topic at hand to get a lot more stickiness.
     
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    which is the cheapest and scrape box proxies provider?

    Its an awesome post:)
     
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    Picked up some great tips from this post. Thanks!:)
     
  14. rootkat

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    Scrabebox proxies? Try using the built in proxy scraper to find some decent proxies. Though if you mean private proxies, hmm, I can't recommend anything specific but there is a Scrabebox proxy host floating around here on BHW. Try them.

    I rank by linking to the site in the "website" field. If you want to put a link in your comment, make sure to write one heck of a good comment and make 150% sure your comment flows and sounds natural with the link in there.

    So how does ranking work using my method then? Keyword rich post that I comment on, and keyword right comment.

    Other's will disagree with my method and say to just go and use the keyword(S) as the 'commenters name', but meh ... I don't see how that would be accepted as much as a comment by "John Smith". Just my opinion and my observations.

    --RK
     
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    +1 for your method. Actually +2.
     
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    Many thanks for the post. It's been very helpful.
     
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    I wrote an article about weird sexual preferences and got this classic spam on my blog:

    "Very enlightening and beneficial to someone whose been out of the circuit for a long time."

    Not sure what circuit they were referring to but they got me worried. Good post and we should at least make it harder for Askimet/Spamhaus to block our spam.
     
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    Great advice. I'm thinking of getting SB soon and am trying to learn all that I can about it before I buy it.