Tier 1 - The Game Has Changed

Charles27

Charles27

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Hi everyone - I've been looking and working hard in the Tier 1 dept for my websites and other shit. Unfortunately, it always seems like I'm coming in on the tail end of something. Example, Tiered link building. It's becoming somewhat apparent that the old method of tiered link building is kinda dying out. I'm not seeing the same results as I used to with UD T1 & GSA T2-3 anymore. What the hell happened? sigh. I'm searching for information on T1. I see one of my competitors posted a new EMD, good keyword I'll give him that, but he got to the G-spot #1 in less than 3 weeks. When his backlinks finally came in, ahrefs showed all were coming from some private network. His; someone else's? Who knows really. Building a private network seems like a bitch really. Also, someone gave me a link to fightbacknetworks.com a different, so-called unconnectable network chain, but my theory is if it's in the public, no matter how covert internally, google will spot it evench. Any ideas on the latest for T1 promotion? I see where buying some power links is still an option. idk. If you need to keep off the grid, please PM me instead.
 
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tiered link building still works pretty good man, just try to make your tier1 with higher quality and get some high quality backlinks to it as well
 
innozemec said:
tiered link building still works pretty good man, just try to make your tier1 with higher quality and get some high quality backlinks to it as well
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Ya, i've been focusing on super readable and higher pr but still seems lacking. idk Someone once said no matter what you do with UD and great spun content, the link is always around similar text so google knows.
 
Charles27 said:
Ya, i've been focusing on super readable and higher pr but still seems lacking. idk Someone once said no matter what you do with UD and great spun content, the link is always around similar text so google knows.
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It takes alot of tiered links to rank for anything decent. On my more difficult keywords i push 2000+ into a website plus a good 50 to 100,000 in tiers 2/3.

The average normal website with standard links has about 200.
 
Build your own private network or just do serious outreach to get guest posts/articles placed on authoritative sites. Tier one should be hand written and as good as the content on your site, in my personal opinion.
 
Charles,

I'd imagine guest posting would be a far more legitimate way to get good quality tier 1 links, rather than using private networks that could eventually go down. Takes a lot of work/content to make guest posting work out, but it's always going to be the best approach. I use private networks for tier 2 and that works great. A lot less risk in that. UD just builds low quality links, as does any link building tool. That's the problem really, these tools just aren't designed to get links that can compete with the power of private blog networks with high PR/authority. I wish there were some better tools on the market for higher quality links, kinda like what Blog Comment Demon is.

EDIT: How's your scraping with UD/GSA? Have you added a lot of custom sites? There's a lot more power in those tools when you use Scrapebox regularly and have good footprints/keywords.
 
sudorank said:
It takes alot of tiered links to rank for anything decent. On my more difficult keywords i push 2000+ into a website plus a good 50 to 100,000 in tiers 2/3.

The average normal website with standard links has about 200.
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Damn. thats a ton
 
DBMEDIALLC said:
Charles,

I'd imagine guest posting would be a far more legitimate way to get good quality tier 1 links, rather than using private networks that could eventually go down. Takes a lot of work/content to make guest posting work out, but it's always going to be the best approach. I use private networks for tier 2 and that works great. A lot less risk in that. UD just builds low quality links, as does any link building tool. That's the problem really, these tools just aren't designed to get links that can compete with the power of private blog networks with high PR/authority. I wish there were some better tools on the market for higher quality links, kinda like what Blog Comment Demon is.

EDIT: How's your scraping with UD/GSA? Have you added a lot of custom sites? There's a lot more power in those tools when you use Scrapebox regularly and have good footprints/keywords.
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Yes, I've been adding sites but with UD, if you add general sites (not classified) in the submitter, get ready for a long haul. Takes forever. I may end up selling it. idk. the blog guest posting worked for me before If I remember. But it's a slow process and you need all those articles. Was nice though. I remember getting niche specific PR 4 & 5 posts a couple of times. That seemed to help.
 
^ You should be using better footprints so that you're only scraping one platform at a time, then it will only take a few minutes to add them to UD.
 
Tiered linkbuilding still works, but you are going to lose out to the private blog network every time. Remember tiered link building tries to accomplish what a private blog network already has, and that is strong Tier 1 links.

You say that building a private blog network is a pain, and yes it is, but that additional effort is what separates you from the competition.

If you want to make money in SEO, you're going to have to invest your time and resources rather than relying on pushing a few buttons on software.

So if you plan on attacking some tough niches or keywords that bring in some serious cash, you best get started on your network.
 
Gyuman82 said:
Tiered linkbuilding still works, but you are going to lose out to the private blog network every time. Remember tiered link building tries to accomplish what a private blog network already has, and that is strong Tier 1 links.

You say that building a private blog network is a pain, and yes it is, but that additional effort is what separates you from the competition.

If you want to make money in SEO, you're going to have to invest your time and resources rather than relying on pushing a few buttons on software.

So if you plan on attacking some tough niches or keywords that bring in some serious cash, you best get started on your network.
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Hey thanks. The building of a private network is rolling around in my head. I have the time mostly but I read that the link building to the network and the content to get it anywhere is painful. I would pay to be on a private network but they're hard to find.
 
Charles27 said:
Hey thanks. The building of a private network is rolling around in my head. I have the time mostly but I read that the link building to the network and the content to get it anywhere is painful. I would pay to be on a private network but they're hard to find.
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The content is killer. If you don't enjoy article writing, you'll never make it. The link building is important as well to maintain the sites PR and authority. It's like managing a bunch of money sites, only with slightly less work involved than what you would put into a money site. Plus, I personally like the idea of unique content private networks, where no spun content is allowed, but that's even more treacherous as far as article writing goes. I've heard these guys are pretty good for hosting and getting c-class IP's for each site, skynethosting.net. Honestly, building a private network isn't something most people have the capability to do until the balls rolling and they've got the money. I'd just use the marketplace and pay for posts until building your own empire is something feasible for you.
 
DBMEDIALLC said:
The content is killer. If you don't enjoy article writing, you'll never make it. The link building is important as well to maintain the sites PR and authority. It's like managing a bunch of money sites, only with slightly less work involved than what you would put into a money site. Plus, I personally like the idea of unique content private networks, where no spun content is allowed, but that's even more treacherous as far as article writing goes. I've heard these guys are pretty good for hosting and getting c-class IP's for each site, skynethosting.net. Honestly, building a private network isn't something most people have the capability to do until the balls rolling and they've got the money. I'd just use the marketplace and pay for posts until building your own empire is something feasible for you.
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Thanks man and for the tip on those UD footprints. that will help.
 
Tired links still work well with good quality content. I use $3 (400words) articles for my T1, article builder articles for T2,T3 and crappy unreadable garbage + scrapebox AA for T4 :)
 
tier1 needs to e the highest quality possible, article need to be unique and readable
 
@OP - I was the one who gave you the link for fightbacknetworks.com. In fightbacknetworks, when the network becomes full it disappears off the dashboard, so g00gle or nobody can see it. generally there might be a maximum of 50, 100, or 200 sites allowed in a network, so I don't see that as being much of a risk personally.

The way i see it, you can either spend a lot of time and effort building a blog network yourself, or do it the easy way with just as much risk with a private blog network. The risk being the time and money you pour into content, domain names, hosting, and learning how to set one up properly in the first place.

At the end of the day, i know which one i prefer.. saying that i do intend on setting up my own private blog network as well in the near future.. but inside of fightbacknetworks itself, since with its content creation, and content distribution, it makes managing it seamless.
 
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Sure it is dead... maybe for UD users. You need to spend more time indexing links. Or start your own blog network then you are good again to rank.
 
Rua999 said:
@OP - I was the one who gave you the link for fightbacknetworks.com. In fightbacknetworks, when the network becomes full it disappears off the dashboard, so g00gle or nobody can see it. generally there might be a maximum of 50, 100, or 200 sites allowed in a network, so I don't see that as being much of a risk personally.

The way i see it, you can either spend a lot of time and effort building a blog network yourself, or do it the easy way with just as much risk with a private blog network. The risk being the time and money you pour into content, domain names, hosting, and learning how to set one up properly in the first place.

At the end of the day, i know which one i prefer.. saying that i do intend on setting up my own private blog network as well in the near future.. but inside of fightbacknetworks itself, since with its content creation, and content distribution, it makes managing it seamless.
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YA I know, I have your aff link saved and if I get it, I will use np. Do you find the network is working out for you? It seems like a great idea but I was just wonder how long they can stay off the gird. Even with the non connecting internal networks. They wrote me and explained how they even write content for you no extra charge. Pretty cool just for that feature.
 
Cloudbacklinks said:
Sure it is dead... maybe for UD users. You need to spend more time indexing links. Or start your own blog network then you are good again to rank.
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It sees overall everywhere I check and people I talk to, that doing your own private network, if you can afford the cost and time is the way to go. Sounds like a bitch. I'm pretty busy already.
 
Charles27 said:
YA I know, I have your aff link saved and if I get it, I will use np. Do you find the network is working out for you? It seems like a great idea but I was just wonder how long they can stay off the gird. Even with the non connecting internal networks. They wrote me and explained how they even write content for you no extra charge. Pretty cool just for that feature.
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I had a long post written out and firefox crashed on me, so just gonna keep this short..

For g00gle to bust this network, they'd have to enter a site into every network, in order to take down the entire network.. how are they going to do that if half the networks are already full and not even on the dashboard / not even visible to the public?

I don't know why you're worried.. there's even a function to eject your links from any network should this happen to any network in the network of networks..

So what if g00gle bothers to try and catches me using a blog network.. IF it ever happened, which i'm pretty sure it won't since why would they bother to try and catch 50 or so members at a time, and IF they penalized my site for using a blog network, i'd either eject all my links and submit reconsideration request and tell them "look i've gotten rid of all my bold boy links", or id clone the site and stick it on a new domain.

The choice is yours, but it's a no brainer for me anyway..
 
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