This guy got fucked...

I personally would have just pulled the money out and shutdown the company and ignore the lawsuit while finding a better business friendly place to open up.

STKMKTFTGRU said:

I personally would have just pulled the money out and shutdown the company and ignore the lawsuit while finding a better business friendly place to open up.

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Re the blog post I linked to? If so - yes, I agree entirely.

tony_d said:

Re the blog post I linked to? If so - yes, I agree entirely.

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I read it and it shows how Philippines is so overrated for outsourcing. What is the point of hiring cheap labor if they have so much rights and legal protection.

STKMKTFTGRU said:

I read it and it shows how Philippines is so overrated for outsourcing. What is the point of hiring cheap labor if they have so much rights and legal protection.

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I have an office in the Philippines - a whole team, in fact.

HOWEVER - I've done it through a staff leasing company that provides *everything* I need, not just the bodies. They provide the floor space, the computers, stupid-fast internet, the supervisory staff, HR, snack rooms, on site pharmacy and clinic, locker rooms, etc.

It still ends up being 70% cheaper than a prime country. So all things said, I think it just matters how you execute (as does anything).

In my case, my liability is limited to paying my fixed-rate invoice each month. That's it.

I wouldn't do what Joe and Justin did - it's too much first hand exposure and unnecessary administrative overhead.

Wow I never knew that those things existed, they even have them in the states as well. I would definitely choose a SLS over hiring workers directly since there is way too much headaches when it comes to labor laws.

tony_d said:

I have an office in the Philippines - a whole team, in fact.

HOWEVER - I've done it through a staff leasing company that provides *everything* I need, not just the bodies. They provide the floor space, the computers, stupid-fast internet, the supervisory staff, HR, snack rooms, on site pharmacy and clinic, locker rooms, etc.

It still ends up being 70% cheaper than a prime country. So all things said, I think it just matters how you execute (as does anything).

In my case, my liability is limited to paying my fixed-rate invoice each month. That's it.

I wouldn't do what Joe and Justin did - it's too much first hand exposure and unnecessary administrative overhead.

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Hey Tony - I completely agree with you. If we were starting over, we'd take a similar approach to the one you've taken.

Since writing this article, we've sold our outsourcing company (including the office), shut down our Philippines corporation, and we're paying our team directly. We don't need a physical office any longer, so our entire team works remotely.

We're heading down to Davao next week for a month, actually, to hang out with them a bit. Then we'll be off to some other location so we can let them get back to work!

empireflippers said:

Hey Tony - I completely agree with you. If we were starting over, we'd take a similar approach to the one you've taken.

Since writing this article, we've sold our outsourcing company (including the office), shut down our Philippines corporation, and we're paying our team directly. We don't need a physical office any longer, so our entire team works remotely.

We're heading down to Davao next week for a month, actually, to hang out with them a bit. Then we'll be off to some other location so we can let them get back to work!

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Hi - didn't know you guys hang around here

I went the direct route at first too, via oDesk, but I learned quickly that when there are staff who are working repetitively on specific task-based deliverables that are easily measured, I can usually get a better outcome by having them 'in the same room', if only for the fact that they have a somewhere to go each day.
The creative types, software types, and indeed my project managers tend to perform just as well regardless of their location, vs the above 'do 5 of these every hour' type staff, who seem better when housed.

I too shall be in Davao overlapping the end of your stay by about a week - if you see a well built Aussie guy mouthing off drunkenly at Claude because his creme brulee serving sizes are too small, come say hi to me

From my personal experience a company will go after an one man operation only if they have strong info that that person banked hard using their copyright. So the website owner did something right but usually when it goes really well it actually gonna crash and burn when u play with other people toys without their written consent.

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tony_d said:

I too shall be in Davao overlapping the end of your stay by about a week - if you see a well built Aussie guy mouthing off drunkenly at Claude because his creme brulee serving sizes are too small, come say hi to me

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Wow - really? We should meet up! We'll be there until June 13th and a visit to Claude's at least once is definitely going to happen. We're all big fans of the cheesecake, heh.

I know others that are in town currently and would be happy to connect you with them if you're keen. They hang out on a GroupMe channel, mostly. PM me for details and we can set it up!

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Wow - really? We should meet up! We'll be there until June 13th and a visit to Claude's at least once is definitely going to happen. We're all big fans of the cheesecake, heh.

I know others that are in town currently and would be happy to connect you with them if you're keen. They hang out on a GroupMe channel, mostly. PM me for details and we can set it up!

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Im bored at home, can i come too ?

Neonskull said:

Im bored at home, can i come too ?

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Berlin to Davao is a rather long way - but then I've done Brisbane to Davao just to go see Claude, so I guess I'm not fit to cast judgment.

So with those Staff Leasing companies, can they be hired to do any kind of work a long as its legal? Like could I hire them to do write articles and news stories for a PBN of News Sites?

STKMKTFTGRU said:

So with those Staff Leasing companies, can they be hired to do any kind of work a long as its legal? Like could I hire them to do write articles and news stories for a PBN of News Sites?

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Yes - but it's not like 'rent staff by the hour'.

You don't go to them to hire part time staff, or for contract work - you go to them when you know how many staff you need, and they help you with the logistics as I explained in an earlier post.

You're still ultimately responsible for training, etc, but any of the larger staff leasing companies tend to have full training departments that will look over your processes, systems, and tasks and make a formal training program, so that the on-boarding of new staff is quite straightforward. From there, you define (and refine) KPI's, and build yourself a dashboard of metrics from which you can manage your team.

As I also said in my earlier post here - I don't tend to have creative or macro-level staff in the office. Office based staff are those who work on repetitive and predictable tasks, with a definable workflow.

If you're going down that path, I'd be happy to have a skype call with you and tell you what I've learned (the hard way) along the road