The whole lance armstrong debacle

SEOWhizz said:

If you don't want to believe it that's Ok, there are some who never want to admit they're wrong, and will make up any excuse to believe in a man accused of lying, bullying and cheating.

Your http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/494820-whole-lance-armstrong-debacle.html#post4814559 is still wrong, because it's clearly stated by ASO that UCI regulates the Tour de France in their http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2012/docs/reglement.pdf.

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But its still their race and therefore they can decide to side with the UCI if they want to or say f*ck them were separating and going on our own ventures. Until the ASO decides what to do,he hasn't been truly stripped yet. If you run something you can change your rules or not enforce your rules if you want to,since it is your event.

Tensegrity said:

It's really weird to me that anyone would defend a person who cheated in sports. The whole purpose of any sport is ultimately to celebrate human physical feats, so taking drugs to win is pretty damn unfair. If drugs were allowed to be taken, that would be a totally different matter, but they aren't.

Stop defending the guy, he did nothing right here.

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Then shouldn't any sports drink such as gatorade,red bull,powerade,monster also be banned in sports since it helps increase performance. And that they only should be allowed to drink water during events?

Roparadise said:

Then shouldn't any sports drink such as gatorade,red bull,powerade,monster also be banned in sports since it helps increase performance. And that they only should be allowed to drink water during events?

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If they are listed as "banned substances" by the organization, then yes. (But something tells me that aren't!)

Lance Armstrong is hood

Tensegrity said:

If they are listed as "banned substances" by the organization, then yes. (But something tells me that aren't!)

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So if a drug like a steroid was created and its details were not released,and it was given to only a handful of select athletes in return for a % of their earnings. Then those athletes would not be cheating because it was not banned. But if a steroid drug listed as banned did the same thing then it would be cheating?

Heres the first company looking for their money back http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20029617

Shits going to get very real for Armstrong from here on in.

Duffers5000 said:

Heres the first company looking for their money back http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20029617

Shits going to get very real for Armstrong from here on in.

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This is what offshore companies and having a consigliere are for lol, I can't believe how stupid some athletes are when it comes to money. Tiger Woods lost tons of money by not setting up a good financial plan way before he got married.


What would happen if someone made a website and sold t-shirts declaring him still the 7 time winner?

Why are you defending this tw*t? I don't think you can't see the wood for the trees.

biznets2 said:

Why are you defending this tw*t? I don't think you can't see the wood for the trees.

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So if the majority of people are jumping off a bridge I should to, instead of doing what I want to do?

The difference between Armstrong and Woods is that Woods just denied it. Armstrong took several people and organisations to court to shut them up. He Testified under oath that he had never used performance enhancing drugs. Thats perjury and he could face jail time as well as certain financial ruin.

Duffers5000 said:

The difference between Armstrong and Woods is that Woods just denied it. Armstrong took several people and organisations to court to shut them up. He Testified under oath that he had never used performance enhancing drugs. Thats perjury and he could face jail time as well as certain financial ruin.

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I was just listing him as an example of his poor financial decision not about his "affairs".

Roparadise said:

So if a drug like a steroid was created and its details were not released,and it was given to only a handful of select athletes in return for a % of their earnings. Then those athletes would not be cheating because it was not banned. But if a steroid drug listed as banned did the same thing then it would be cheating?

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Dude LOL You are playing some severe semantics here.

Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious that two athletes playing against each other should be on a level playing field. Giving one a steroid through a loophole in the law doesn't negate the fact that the other one isn't taking the steroid. So, how is that a fair match? It's not, and I think the laws and regulations are clear enough that this shouldn't even be an issue. The very fact that Lance Armstrong kept it a secret is proof enough that he wasn't playing a fair game, so the media hype and taking away his award and the donors being upset and asking for their money back is all a perfectly reasonable and valid reaction.

Tensegrity said:

Dude LOL You are playing some severe semantics here.

Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious that two athletes playing against each other should be on a level playing field. Giving one a steroid through a loophole in the law doesn't negate the fact that the other one isn't taking the steroid. So, how is that a fair match? It's not, and I think the laws and regulations are clear enough that this shouldn't even be an issue. The very fact that Lance Armstrong kept it a secret is proof enough that he wasn't playing a fair game, so the media hype and taking away his award and the donors being upset and asking for their money back is all a perfectly reasonable and valid reaction.

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So it wasn't fair when the University of Florida used gatorade to give them an advantage?

Roparadise said:

So it wasn't fair when the University of Florida used gatorade to give them an advantage?

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More semantics.

As far as I know, everyone has the opportunity to drink gatorade, it's not a secret drug, it's not banned. Choosing not to is different than not knowing the drug is available. (and by "available" I mean "openly allowed").

Steroids are frowned upon by many of athletes. End of story.

Don't know how we got on to gatorade ? We are talking EPO blood doping. Massively over producing red blood cells and increasing blood oxygen by a huge amount. A form of doping ideally suited to cycling that can produce up to a 40% increase in performance. Not quiet a sugary sports drink. Anyway we know it's you Lance, switch off the laptop and start writing cheques !

Tensegrity said:

More semantics.

As far as I know, everyone has the opportunity to drink gatorade, it's not a secret drug, it's not banned. Choosing not to is different than not knowing the drug is available. (and by "available" I mean "openly allowed").

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I was talking about the year it was first used not today,when anyone can buy it. @InternetUser at one time steroids were not considered bad and was even promoted by both the American and USSR olympic teams.

Roparadise said:

But its still their race and therefore they can decide to side with the UCI if they want to or say f*ck them were separating and going on our own ventures. Until the ASO decides what to do,he hasn't been truly stripped yet. If you run something you can change your rules or not enforce your rules if you want to,since it is your event.

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In this thread you disagreed with the UCI's decision and that they have no right to take the Tour titles from Armstrong. If you don't agree with it in the same way that you thought USADA were corrupt in the other thread, that's your problem, but you are still wrong.

You clearly have no clue about international cycling or its organisation. The UCI and ASO have chosen to work together, and have done so for years. There is absolutely no reason to change this.

Even Armstrong himself agrees with the UCI decision. Armstrong has removed the Tour de France titles from his Twitter account.

It previously read: "Father of 5 amazing kids, 7-time Tour de France winner, full time cancer fighter, part time triathlete."
Now it simply states: "Raising my 5 kids. Fighting Cancer. Swim, bike, run and golf whenever I can."

Not only that, but the Tour de France organisers want him to pay back the prize money.

Roparadise said:

Then shouldn't any sports drink such as gatorade,red bull,powerade,monster also be banned in sports since it helps increase performance. And that they only should be allowed to drink water during events?

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You also have no clue about drugs in sport either. There is no comparison between banned performance enhancing drugs (PED) and sports drinks. For instance, EPO has the ability to improve a cyclists performance but can also cause cancer and death. PED's are banned for specific reasons; they give unfair advantage and can cause permanent damage to cyclists bodies and in some cases death. Armstrong also had the ability to buy one of the best sports drug doctors (and trainers) in the business. Other riders could not do this. The PEDs Armstrong took may even have cause his own cancer in the first place.


One last thing. Please don't forget to have the last word and to disagree*. Again and again and again...

* You're still wrong.

The man is guilty as charged, so much is obvious... no offense!

Lance Armstrong is now a coward, If i was him I would have gone on the media to say that the UCI and USADA were bribing the guys to say I was taking drugs.