The Ultimate Amazon Thread Mark 2 - Q/A - Good/Bad

[johnnyd77]

WARNING : I was asked a question about forming AMAZON Joint Ventures --->> I strongly urge anyone to be extremely careful doing so. Amazon with its 60 day policy - can mean if you JV with someone you work for 60 Days and they keep the money --> and you can end up with nothing. It's not like CPA where you can get paid in 7 days ... If you don't understand how money can change people then just go take a quick look at the ShitList Section of this website..... even reputable members of this forum can end up there.

SO PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL AND COVER EVERY BASE WITH YOUR POTENTIAL JV PARTNER SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT TYPE OF THING.

All the best today.

I totally agree with this. I myself is in a JV with someone that I knew. She has some skills that I dont have and visa versa. To avoid any ''money'' problem, we are using my aff link and she is hosting the website.

It's more risky for me - for sure - but you need to find someone that you can trust and there you go.

 

[healzer]

I have built about 4 amazon sites now.

My first 3 were simply "bad" because I really sucked at keyword research.
I chose a Semi-EMD domain from some kind of expensive amazon product/niche. Posted 10-30 articles; but haven't got a single keyword ranked in top 100.

So I analyzed my problems and took keyword research more seriously.
I ordered 10 articles or so, and have got 90% of the keywords ranking in top 30-100 on Google. (with onSite SEO only)
I have 30-40 articles on that site right now on different niches and many keywords.
I haven't put any links to amazon yet, only the articles are live. Once I see organic traffic coming in I'll start promoting the products.
Am also running GSA SER to create backlinks.
The site is now about 2 weeks old ; with 10 - 60 UV's / day (the traffic comes from direct sources or referrals from bookmarks; but none from Google yet)

After being 2-3 years in IM, i'm really ashamed of my SEO skills, since most of my time I've been spending time on programming, botting and CPA.


TL;DR:
Keyword research - don't mess with it

 

[Stellar]

I totally agree with this. I myself is in a JV with someone that I knew. She has some skills that I dont have and visa versa. To avoid any ''money'' problem, we are using my aff link and she is hosting the website.

It's more risky for me - for sure - but you need to find someone that you can trust and there you go.

Good idea. At least if she try to do shit, you can tank down the site using negative SEO.
She will get nothing, and you will get current profits.

 

[StirlingMedia]

i was thinking of buying a service on bhw that sells authority sites. any you can recommend or suggest?

You really have to ask yourself the question...if somebody really built a good authority site with money potential would they really sell it for $50 or whatever the seller charges?

A good site that is earning money should sell for 10-20 times it's monthly revenue.

Some of the prices I see starter sites selling for on here make me think neither the buyer or seller is getting a good deal. The seller is making peanuts whilst the buyer is getting a poor quality site.

 

[mikeyyy996]

so since you just pick 1 product, are these considered a version of micro niche sites rather than a full on authority site. i.e. bestbabystrollers.com where it is all about baby strollers and their accessories vs allbabyeverything.com where its about every item baby related? which is better to start with you think? mns amazon site around 1 type of product or a big site around a general theme?

 

[johnnyd77]

I sold one for 800$ USD 1 month ago.

I dont believe in crappy 50$ site, unless you customised them a lot.

You really have to ask yourself the question...if somebody really built a good authority site with money potential would they really sell it for $50 or whatever the seller charges?

A good site that is earning money should sell for 10-20 times it's monthly revenue.

Some of the prices I see starter sites selling for on here make me think neither the buyer or seller is getting a good deal. The seller is making peanuts whilst the buyer is getting a poor quality site.

 

[mikeyyy996]

You really have to ask yourself the question...if somebody really built a good authority site with money potential would they really sell it for $50 or whatever the seller charges?

A good site that is earning money should sell for 10-20 times it's monthly revenue.

Some of the prices I see starter sites selling for on here make me think neither the buyer or seller is getting a good deal. The seller is making peanuts whilst the buyer is getting a poor quality site.

i totally agree for the most part. the thing i have an issue with is the time to create a really nice looking site AND content or keyword/product niche research (more so the product or genre to choose)..after that im solid. i can get content and do seo to keep the website moving so thats why i was thinking of using a prebaked site from one of the bhw service. however, i am a big believe in you get what you pay for. i have been talking with a service off here that would sell a really nice theme prepackage with plugin and setup ready to go along with like 6000 words content (3 review, 5 articles) for $200. that sound about right to you? let me know.

also danny, one other questions...when you create a new site with articles and reviews what navigation structure to you suggest using? i.e. artciles dropdown and another reviews drop down along with a contact and about and home? interested in your thoughs on this. not sure if youve already discussed this. let me know. thanks

 

[Slim Picky]

Wow, what an epic thread. Four hours on from when I started I reach the end and I have a million questions.

But I'll limit them to just a couple!

I'm brand new to IM and was originally thinking to target the UK market since thats where I'm based until I read the bit about the commission limit. Since I have a few local domains I could use would it be worth targeting lower value items? My reading of the UK limitation is that for larger items you'd lose out but with volume on lots of small items would it be OK?

Also could someone clarify something about the theme type Danny suggested, I think it was in the first few pages that someone (may have been Danny himself) posted examples of some azon sites one of which was about wireless routers. I really liked the clean, blue and white look of that site. Some of the magazine themes seem really cluttered to me. Or are these themes then being paired down to just the elements needed? That would be way over my head to do.

Anyways, I shall continue to follow this awesome thread.

Slim

 

[wzn888wzn]

that's really nice thread,thanks for sharing

 

[Danny1111]

The Sites I picked as examples were Sites that were ranking Page 1 for the keyword I searched .. other template examples were from the BHW Download Section .. and Johnny had added some others.

I think most people should start with a Magazine type theme - changing the theme by removing things is not that hard once you have done it a few times .. this is one of the skills most people working in IM should know anyway - how to work with wordpress.

But ultimately if you see something you like - chances are others will like it too - so that should work out fine - I deliberately try not to say use this one template all the time - because its better if people have different sites.

As far as navigation - well just add a bar and insert whatever fits your content - reviews / how too / buying guide / discounts / accessories / add on ---> whatever you think best describes what it is.

If your paying someone to produce you 1 site that is unique to you and they aren't selling 100 others the same - then I think your OK with that -- but doing this reduces your overall skills/knowledge for the future .. also in editing your Site Theme etc .... so yeah its one way to go but probably the more productive way is to perfect 1 Site yourself and then when you see Sales - then make some more.

Alot of this discussion is basic IM Knowledge - so its better to have it than not - and if you think you want clients later on - then you definately need this sort of knowledge.

As far as Authority or Niche Style - again I've always worked with Niche and had more of them -- I've always thought its good for protection of my overall business -- but I have decided to make 1 Authority Site and see what it can do. The main difference too is with alot of niche sites - you need management skills and software - as logging into 50 sites / updating plugins-wordpress and jobs like this take alot of time without them ...... anyway again I'll leave this up to you guys to decide what you prefer.

Choosing a Niche is pretty simple - Choosing Keywords is harder because more things can go wrong - but my advice is don't ever do a keyword without checking the competition and knowing you can rank for it -- otherwise your Sales will be slow -- and it will take forever to get somewhere. You have to worry about Big Sites for terms like "wireless routers" but not terms like "best home wireless router 2013"

(wireless routers are just an example we have been using for some time - nothing more than that)

 

[Danny1111]

All PM's answered.

I just want to repeat something I just told someone else.

You actually want Site Design-Customization / Niche Selection / Keyword Research and Seo to be hard ... because that means there will be less competition and people will try and give up .... that's why you should treat it like a business and work at it each day - and add value to your business by increasing your knowledge and building up your assets (websites).

People stress that they don't have all the tools or whatever -- but you know what once you start making some money - then this works itself out -- its just the beginning that makes people struggle -- until one day when your working a light goes on and you just "get it" and all of a sudden it becomes pretty simple.

 

[mr meme]

Danny1111
Thanks for your answer to my previous question, please i have already submit my twitter, facebook, digg it. but still they have not been index. would you recommend this service? www dot blackhatworld dot com/blackhat-seo/seo-link-building/466462-bookmark-hero-social-bookmarks-reseller-price-2-3-free-drip-feed.html

The one of 30 manual bookmarking. thanks.

Please replace the dot with (.) am not able to place link.

 

[Cloudbacklinks]

Try posting to high Pr web2.0 and indexing those, a bit more time to setup but does the job. Social signals nto really needed to index.

 

[Danny1111]

Yeah you can make a couple Web 2.0 and paste them to those and Ping That -- just find pages that SE are visiting and Paste them there.

*** If you don't understand something in the thread and your not sure whether you should post it in the thread ... then simply use the BHW Search Box and look for answers there .. or go to YouTube.com and search for videos that can show you what they mean or how they work.

Lastly if your not sure about a product or service - either contact the provider or again go to YouTube.com and find the instructional videos they made ...... it's simply not the case that you are on your own in IM -- there are plenty of resources for you to access 24/7 -- many are free.

 

[WhitePassion]

Yeah you can make a couple Web 2.0 and paste them to those and Ping That -- just find pages that SE are visiting and Paste them there.

*** If you don't understand something in the thread and your not sure whether you should post it in the thread ... then simply use the BHW Search Box and look for answers there .. or go to YouTube.com and search for videos that can show you what they mean or how they work.

Lastly if your not sure about a product or service - either contact the provider or again go to YouTube.com and find the instructional videos they made ...... it's simply not the case that you are on your own in IM -- there are plenty of resources for you to access 24/7 -- many are free.

Quick tip: Don't use the BHW search box, you'll never find anything.
Google "site:blackhatworld.com insert-problem-here" for results that are actually relevant.

 

[Danny1111]

If your a deadset beginner - break what needs to be done down and study each part so you can do it without stressing out or paying someone to do it for you .. as most of these things you learn by doing them.

* Domain Names : Choosing One / Buying One / Privacy Options / NameServers
* Hosting : Cpanel / Installing Wordpress / Email / Shared-VPS-Dedicated / Security
* Wordpress : Installing / Customizing / Templates / Plugins / Security
* Amazon : Joining / Tracking IDS / Clicks / Sales / Links / Banners
* Niche : Broad-Narrow / Products / reviews / Information / authority or niche
* Keywords : broad-narrow / traffic / easy to rank or hard / competition
* Seo : Simple Strategy vs Advanced / Ranking your Site / Competition Analysis / Manual vs Software / Tracking Results / Success vs Failure // How to Move On // Learn from Mistakes // Study Success / Spam vs Quality / Long Term vs Short Term // Automation // Controlling Cost

All the answers are on BHW or other resources and most of them are in this thread relating to Amazon - but no-one will do it all for you - you have to motivate yourself and get started.

(this is in response to a PM I received but figured it may help others as well) (comments always welcome)

 

[adamcm]

Sorry if this is covered in the thread (on Page 12 now ), but wanted to ask this first. I know you mentioned about custom buttons, text links, etc. Is there a limit to how many you should have on a post of yours? Is there a certain amount of text you need before you place your first link?

Thanks!

 

[Danny1111]

you want to use text links on brand and model names and 1 custom button at the end ... the amount that equals depends on the content obviously.

(all you need to do is take a look at the examples and see how many they use and how they use them - some do it well and some don't)

 

[bizroach]

Hi, Danny. How have you diversify your links and may I know the numbers of each type of link? For example, I always make 3 articles in DocStoc. Hope I make it clear.

 

[mohamedelhosary]

you want to use text links on brand and model names and 1 custom button at the end ... the amount that equals depends on the content obviously.

(all you need to do is take a look at the examples and see how many they use and how they use them - some do it well and some don't)

say i have article 1000 words so how many amazon links i can add in the article that will be ok to google?