Sudden Ranked Drop? Google Algo Update?

Somehow I believe all this black hat debating is bullshit or at least not a good practice for Google. At the end of the day, the optimal result for users is serving the best content. It doesnt matter if the websites are doing blackhat or not, it is Google’s job to give users the best content. Punishing websites for building links are just showing how incompetent Google are.
Well this is bullshit. No one is doing black hat to "serve the users the best content" or best answer to their queries. We do it for money. If I can go away with $2 content for my money website, ill go with that, not paying $50 to native writer. I have exactly zero interest in say hair loss. However if I think that I can make money in this niche, ill be in. Links are "votes". Buying links means you are buying votes for your website, and fucking up the fair "elections", so Google are right to punish buying and selling links, from theirs and users perspective. Lets not pretend.
 
Both new and expired domain were affected. One keyword bounched back to #5. The rest is... I just don't want to cry. 400k search.
 
This is the first time I've experienced such a dramatic Google update for my sites... yet they were whitehat with unique content and no purchased links.
It's a good Christmas coming up :(
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Well this is bullshit. No one is doing black hat to "serve the users the best content" or best answer to their queries. We do it for money. If I can go away with $2 content for my money website, ill go with that, not paying $50 to native writer. I have exactly zero interest in say hair loss. However if I think that I can make money in this niche, ill be in. Links are "votes". Buying links means you are buying votes for your website, and fucking up the fair "elections", so Google are right to punish buying and selling links, from theirs and users perspective. Lets not pretend.
Yes, and so I would agree with Google to punish your sites to deep shit if you don’t care about users. Oh, just realized this is black hat, feel free to dump your garbage to your users then, sorry :rolleyes:
 
Well this is bullshit. No one is doing black hat to "serve the users the best content" or best answer to their queries. We do it for money. If I can go away with $2 content for my money website, ill go with that, not paying $50 to native writer. I have exactly zero interest in say hair loss. However if I think that I can make money in this niche, ill be in. Links are "votes". Buying links means you are buying votes for your website, and fucking up the fair "elections", so Google are right to punish buying and selling links, from theirs and users perspective. Lets not pretend.
So true.
In summer I was hit and lost, 10 mil traffic per day, but not hard feelings about it cause I have earned more than 6 months and I was expected that hit since all was blackhat and some luck.

So yeah, lets not pretend!
 
Well this is bullshit. No one is doing black hat to "serve the users the best content" or best answer to their queries. We do it for money. If I can go away with $2 content for my money website, ill go with that, not paying $50 to native writer. I have exactly zero interest in say hair loss. However if I think that I can make money in this niche, ill be in. Links are "votes". Buying links means you are buying votes for your website, and fucking up the fair "elections", so Google are right to punish buying and selling links, from theirs and users perspective. Lets not pretend.

And you are literally the opposite of what Google wants to show users.
 
Since 2 days ago, my whole site randomly dropped from top positions to nowhere. Didn't do anything "wrong".
 
Lets hope the Google Arrest will return our sites ... What I noticed it, nihce sites got afected, multi niche broad sites still on.
 
Okay, I've pieced together a few things this morning. I went through my website and my competitors who were not punished. The competitors are all doing various degrees of blackhat. Expired domains, purchased links, and PBN's. The niche is medium competition and these websites likely do anywhere from 5-15k p/m.

Firstly, my website has a horrendous link ratio. Looking at my competitors the worst ratio I see is 3-1 d0follow-nofollow. My website was a whopping 8.5-1. This definitely could sound the alarms for the search algo.

As for the size of my website, it was significantly smaller in terms of pages than competitors. While my website was around 40 pages in total. The competitor websites are anywhere from 130-250.

None of the competitors used 301s, I did.

One other thing I noticed as I'm writing this. Authorship. My competitors use unique images for their author pictures. My bio image was an easily reverse searchable non-unique pixabay image.

Some of my rankings did recover this morning. I'm still down 85-90% of traffic but at least I'll be able to buy myself some decent alcohol to drown my sorrows this holiday season.
 
I am seeing high authority sites on top, doesn't matter if they're as relevant - if they are corporate behemoths with the largest amount of links by far, they are on the top.

Two of my websites got hit. All have 301 redirects, but my third website which has increased (which also has 301)

I don't think you can pin point any one thing, it might be 301 redirects - or it could be totally random. Perhaps Google is doing A/B tests and trying to organise results based off user signals. Huge shuffling is required to do those kind of tests.

They have perhaps set the AI loose.
 
Same issue. My website was in Top10 for several keywords and now it's 20-30 in the rankings. I didn't do any SEO work neither changed my site.
 
I have a question for guys who repeat that their websites are 100% whitehat, without expired domains, black hat linkings or purchase links...

So.. what are you doing on this forum?
I might have an answer for you. I know people that think they don't do anything illegal. The same is here. There are people that think they do only whitehat stuff, when they do all sorts of shit. Even Google does blackhat SEO. And for whitehat people that read this, well I have bad news for you people. Even Google uses blackhat techniques. Yeah, they forgot to tell you :confused:
 
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I have a question for guys who repeat that their websites are 100% whitehat, without expired domains, black hat linkings or purchase links...

So.. what are you doing on this forum?
They came here to learn the basics and do the opposite.
 
At the end of the day, the optimal result for users is serving the best content.

Define 'best content'. I checked and their are still sites of pure spam and total nonsense experimental bullshit that are still on the first page.

It's the sites that are actually ranking, long standing or not, with cohesive content and articulate links - with better monetising potential that are getting hit.

I have long felt that the considerable leniency given by tech leaders for so long toward SEO and SM 'cheats' has been to gather insight into the way blackhat operations function. People pinching a little bit of money here and there is worth it if it helps them to improve their own innovations to use against these very same test subjects in the long run. If they quarantined everything like a piece of malware they would have no further research to gather.

Got to remember Google have the high ground here and it is not a public elibrary even though it seems to have guised itself as one. It is a brand that wants to make a profit through it's operations like any business.

If it feels that a sites presence is not contributing significantly enough to it's own revenue generation (or worse is part of a network, which is a nemesis as far as SEO goes) then, keeping this in mind, it is their way of saying to all fast trackers - 'hey guess what, you're using our products but we have liabilities to pay off too, so either pay up or get off your ass, present your fair share of time and money to establish your brand. Or contribute to the hard work of legitimate brands and business cycles that might, you freeloaders'.

So with all due respect to people that have worked hard trying to cheat Google here just to have it amount to having a rug swept from right under their feet, you might have to re-evaluate your idea of stupid or clever google really is here. And whether they've already dropped the bombshell we anticipated here, or whether they're just going to gain further insight into how all effected 'potential' cheats respond. In which case it's probably best to lay low for a while. Any dire action will probably just result in further research and scrutiny.
 
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Can someone check their historical indexed pages in Bing? I see some strange correlations with both Google updates from 11th and the one from 17th. I had the most indexed pages on those two dates, then sudden drop. Also, I see almost the same thing with past Google updates, +/- 1 day. Are Alphabet Inc. and Microsoft Corp. working together? It will be interesting to see how many shareholders have shares at both companies...

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