Start Having Some Respect For People!

Deviance said:

People having this problem obviously ask the wrong questions. Also you already found BHW, so please don't talk about how you have to ''learn the hardway''.

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if you even looked at my latest threads you will see what i meen, i ask simple questions and get no answers.

seo20 said:

I will ALWAYS help people like you. But will NEVER help people asking "how do I make money online now - need $500 by tomorrow" kind of questions.

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Why thank you!

Another point to be made is RESPECT goes both ways. I'm the newcomer here. I'm the one who NEEDS advice, tips, pointers etc. so I'll be damned if I'm going to come here flipping my mouth off wanting the secret to making $1000 a minute.

Anyway here's a NOOB post I made just yesterday and the respectful responses that gathered...

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/191505-so-f-g-overwhelmed.html

Kharis said:

there have been numerous posts started in the forum feedback section about having a "newb section" but we always get to the same conclusion... if people are not willing to look for the information themselves before asking for all the secrets of the universe to be laid out in a nicely formatted pdf document then they're probably in the wrong place.

this place is great for learning and most of the users are fun to mess around with.

Also I think you'll find that alot more member fall into your category 2 rather than 3, it just gets really tiresome seeing the same threads posted over and over again, sometimes before the first post has dropped off the first page. Some users here may be a bit hostile towards noobs but it's mainly because we are all constantly repeating ourselves. Most people who have been here a while are happy to help and by help i meant give advice and guidance, not spoonfeeding.

Whichever way you look at it, this argument is just going to go around in circles till the end of time, so it's just something that comes with being a member here, get used to it

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Not as much as you'd think. The problem is in the way it isn't implemented properly...not to say it is the staff's fault but, just that it is a progressive issue and likewise, a progressive resolution.

My suggestion has always been and always will be to have it set in the forum where this information is added to the intro/welcome page of the forum. I have heard from countless new members that it is infact not there and they didn't even know about it until it was too late, after they were toasted in a flaming session.

Trial by fire isn't the answer in handling the issue, as it simply needs to be addressed in a more direct and TOS style approach, where to join this forum, a member is automatically directed to the new members section without having to be told it is there...it that hasn't already been implemented as of late. Last told, it wasn't. I haven't tested it as of yet directly.

As for the flamming issues of new members specifically regarding this part of the post topic, I suggest that we make better use of the new members section and address the issue as directly as possible right from the get-go.

New member questions keep senior members on their toes and they should take that oppertunity to assist and to reflect on the answers they are giving, re-enforcing their own knowedlge confidence. Don't rip these guys apart, as you may become an unsuspecting targeted victim of one of your own posts.

Motivate a terrorist to go looking for specs about how to build a bomb, why don't ya?...

Food for thought.

seo20 said:

You are all freaking noobs.

Sometimes it could be great for people to think more than 1 sec before they PM spam for help so they don't have to do ANYTHING but to push a button. And sometimes that is also outsourced.

If you even read this - chances are that you are not a noob since you would have already PM me for the 400th time asking me how I can make this script do this and that.

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PM sent...why haven't you replied yet????

festeris101 said:

Why thank you!

Another point to be made is RESPECT goes both ways. I'm the newcomer here. I'm the one who NEEDS advice, tips, pointers etc. so I'll be damned if I'm going to come here flipping my mouth off wanting the secret to making $1000 a minute.

Anyway here's a NOOB post I made just yesterday and the respectful responses that gathered...

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/191505-so-f-g-overwhelmed.html

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Excellent points, and just to let you know, I hadn't seen the thread you referenced until just now, but I saw another post of yours where you self-identified as a noob question in the subject line.

Well played, it set expectations for the readers, and TBH (to be honest), I've often learned some things from people with "Newbie" under their nicknames. I've also seen some people with "Jr. VIP" or whatever under their nicks turn out to be scammers. Labels can be total bullshit.

gregstereo said:

Excellent points, and just to let you know, I hadn't seen the thread you referenced until just now, but I saw another post of yours where you self-identified as a noob question in the subject line.

Well played, it set expectations for the readers, and TBH (to be honest), I've often learned some things from people with "Newbie" under their nicknames. I've also seen some people with "Jr. VIP" or whatever under their nicks turn out to be scammers. Labels can be total bullshit.

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Thats a good point. There is a big difference between being a newbie member and being a noob.
There are people signing up on BHW that have been doing IM for years and are very successful. Theres also people that sign up that barely have any experience on the computer talking to there friends on myspace or facebook. In fact there are many newbie members that aren't even really newbie members, they lost their account for whatever reason and started a new one, and already know the expectations of the forum. Even a lot of people that do have experience in IM, don't really have much experience in forums, or a lot of people that have a lot of experience with computers that are new to IM. The variations are endless.

I myself have been using forums or their equivalent since before there was widespread public access to the internet. When I first started interacting online you still had to use a 1200 baud modem to call a computer some guy had set a bbs up on in his back room. If you were lucky enough to have access to the internet you were mostly just using usenet and had to use bangpaths if you wanted to email anyone. The very same issues with people joining and not waiting till they had an idea of what was going on before they started making all kinds of posts was a problem back then. Noobs are noobs whether its a bbs in the early 80s, usenet in the early 90s, or forums on the internet today. When ever you start getting a large number of new people learning to use something at the same time, there is a backlash by the members that already know the established proceedures. As long as the membership grows slowly its easy to handle, when it grows to fast its hard to instruct them.

How long anyone has been doing anything online isn't the issue, there are people that are way ahead of me in IM that weren't even alive when I was taking my first computer classes. A forum like this equals the field, I'm here to learn from them whatever I can. There are mountains of things I don't know, but it just makes it harder for everyone to find real information when people sign up and immediately start making noobie posts without understanding how the forum works. Most of the newbie members already understand that, many of them like I said are already succeeding at IM and have a great amount to contribute. But the few that don't understand the point of the forum, really make it harder for the forum to operate efficiently. Not every post or thread has to be brilliant, but you can tell when a new thread or post has been started by someone who hasn't even tried to figure it out yet.

When a noob asks the question, "how can I make money" the only two ways of answering that is to either tell him to "learn how to search the forums" or start posting every moneymaking thread in the forum into his thread. It doesn't take very many noobs to make that second option pointless. It would overload the database, and make searches virtually impossible. I choose to keep the flaming to a minimum and post my notice.
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Its no different than moving into a new town and going into the bar down the street. You don't get up on the podium and start shouting out for people to help you. You keep a low profile, keep your eyes and ears open, until you have the "lay or the land". Just because we're online it isn't any different. The noobs just need to understand that opening a new thread is the same as shouting out to the whole bar, posting a reply in a thread is like jumping into the middle of a conversation with people you don't know yet, and PMimg withut an invitation is like going over and sitting at a private booth with someone you've never met. Some people are really smart about it and will fit in quickly, others are loud and obnoxious and alienates themselves before they realize what they're doing.