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Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by GreyWolf, Apr 7, 2010.

  1. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    STOP RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE!!!
    DROP THAT MOUSE!!!

    Step away from the 'newthread' button...
    Step away from the 'postreply' button...


    This forum is about the most helpful place to learn about making money that I have found. Even if you don't know much to start there will be other members willing to help. But that doesn't mean you should just go right out and start asking for help. There are a few things you should understand first. I'm not a moderator here, but the following tips are mostly common sense. This is all just basic etiquette applied to the topics of this forum, understanding it should be helpful for any forum you join.

    Before you start a thread "I need to make $xxx a day/week/month, what do I need to do?" just remember those posts are against the T.O.S. (you did read the T.O.S. right?). What is the point of a thread like that anyway? You don't need to ask the question, you already found it.
    The BHW forum IS THE ANSWER to your question!!!

    There is a difference between a newbie member and being a noob. Are you expecting that everyone should start reposting every method already posted in the forum every time some noob starts a new thread? It doesn't work that way. Please refrain from making your first post until you have gone into the existing forums over on the left of your screen and completed reading a few threads. Spend a little time lurking on the forum, and learning the types of posts that other members will consider valuable. When you do start posting, take it easy. Make just a few posts sticking to a topic you are working with. Take it slow until you have an idea of the type of impression you're making.

    Unless you are an experienced marketer with something that might contribute to the forum, there is very little reason to make a new post in an existing thread, and there is even less reason to be starting a new thread during the first few days of being a member. Even if you are experienced you should still lurk around the forum a little while to get an idea of what is already here. That cutting edge method you discovered and want to share right away, might already have been discussed before.

    This forum is open to people of all skill levels and experience, but it is not a training forum for basic computer skills. Don't let that intimidate you. The BHW forums should be just one of the tools you are using. If you don't want to be seen as a noob, then you should also have other resources to learn from.

    If you don't know html, php, web design, etc, this forum isn't a basic tutorial. BHW is where you can learn to implement many different scripts and codes, but you should have other resources available to learn the basics. It is expected that newbie members have a basic ability to perform their own searches on a search engine. You should at least understand how to use the search box on the BHW forum itself. If you see a term or abbreviation that you don't understand, try searching for it on google first. DP, WSO, OP, Social Bookmarking, backlinks, DNS, and many more terms noobs ask about over and over, can be answered with a quick search on google. There are even a few threads on BHW that have lists of terms and definitions if you take a minute to search for them.


    Now pick that mouse up off the floor and I'll tell you where to find real help if you seriously want to know "How To Make Money."
    First, click on the Forum Rules and READ the TOS so you know the rules of the forum. Violating these rules will most likely get you banned from the forum. It's also a good idea to read the FAQ. so you know how to use the various features of the forum.

    Next, go to the Making Money subforum and start by READING the sticky threads. They were made sticky for a reason, they have the most pertinent information to the most commonly asked questions, and best methods for newbies to try.

    After you've spent some time READING the sticky threads, go back through the Making Money forum and READ some of the other threads to see what other people are doing. You will find many, many methods posted and discussed, that are working for many people. Pick one and follow the instructions in the thread. Not every method is going to work for every person. With diligence and a bit of luck you might find one that can work for you.
    It's not impossible, but very unlikely you will make an amazing amount of money starting out. But if you go through the threads and read what others are doing, then follow through on some methods, it's very possible that you can start making some money starting out and then build up over time. You certainly don't need a degree to be successful, but you do have to spend time learning and gaining experience.

    The "secret" to success is diligence, and experience. There isn't a "TRICK TO MAKE MONEY."

    Again. until you have spent time reading and learning something about methods already offered and discussed throughout BHW, there is no reason to post a reply, and especially no reason to start a new thread.

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    Don't let any of that make you scared to ask a question here, or share some information. That's what the forum is about. If noone asked questions, or discussed topics there wouldn't be much value here.

    Just use some common sense. If you follow the above guide lines you won't run in to many problems with other members. Remember a specific question posted in a pertinent thread will get you better results than starting a thread for a general question. If you do need to start a thread the same thing applies, a specific question will get better results that a general "Help Me Please" question.

    When you're looking through the threads and see someone getting flamed for a post or thread, take notice of the post. Flaming isn't really encouraged on this forum any more than anyplace else. There are many members that have learned that the hard way when the mods banned their account instead of the member they were flaming. But if you've been a member for less than a month or so, and haven't made many posts of your own yet, don't try to argue about whether it should be flamed or not.

    The mods will make their own determination about that. With a few exceptions, most of the time when someone gets flamed over an inappropriate post it should be taken as a lesson. There is usually a good reason they are getting flamed, you should look at it as a learning opportunity for yourself, so you know how not to make a similar mistake.

    The same thing applies if it happens to one of your own posts.
    Sometimes in the school of hard knocks, people get knocked down.
    Just learn from it so you don't make the mistake again.
     
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  2. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    There has been a lot of discussion lately about how to deal with all the new people that sign up and immediately start making posts. It seems to me that maybe a guide like this can be helpful for new members to read. If anyone else has additional suggestions for new members maybe this can be a good thread to post them and then just refer them to this thread when you see someone making a stupid Help Me post.
     
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  3. ImBatman

    ImBatman Newbie

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    You owe me a new mouse. Mine was cordless...
     
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  4. ericsson

    ericsson Elite Member Premium Member

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    Thanks!

    This should be a sticky thread.

    And the other replies, respect the op post man. And don´t post shitless posts like "wut, lol" doesn´t make sense.
     
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  5. kaidoristm

    kaidoristm Power Member

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    Sticky vote from me as well.
     
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  6. HoNeYBiRD

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    ok, let's say you're right and i would have had to ask something like this: 'what do you mean? i don't understand how come the cordless mouse here'
    i could do it, but it isn't the same?
    on a side note: i made post like that very rarely!
     
  7. ericsson

    ericsson Elite Member Premium Member

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    Ok!

    But in an very important thread like this, when Newbie/Noobs sees this thread, and they see your reply.. They will think you act like one of them.

    I suggest we respect what OP have posted, and don´t post shit replies anymore. It think it was very time consuming for him to wrote all that.

    I would have been pissed off if i saw a reply like yours in my thread, ok.

    I´m not hate you.. Just wanting you to know. Ok? ;)

    Happy Wednesday!
     
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  8. HoNeYBiRD

    HoNeYBiRD Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    you won :)
    post edited
    have a nice day u too
     
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  9. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    @ericsson - Thanks for the support . I've seen you make some good points on this same subject in other threads. Feel free to post additional thoughts if you think I missed anything.

    The point of this thread is to help new members. This should be a thread for experienced people to leave tips for new members regarding the standards of the forum community, so they won't have to get flamed for wasting everyones time, and clogging up the forums with junk threads.

    I included the best advice newbie members can get - this is the best forum for learning how to make money, so start reading and learn something before making new posts.
     
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    @OP: Good job!
     
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  12. Randy569

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    Grey Wolf, you've done a good thing here, and I, for one, appreciate the time and effort that you put into this. It certainly has my vote for Sticky, plus it should me made mandatory reading for all new members, before they can even see any other forum pages.

    And you certainly have my vote for Jr. VIP (for what it's worth...)
     
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  13. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    @GreyWolf: Alright, I'll just post this here from the JrVIP section :/

    I know I'm not the most reputable member around these parts, nor am I even a lonely nickel making peon, but once again I've emerged back on BHW to see what I can amass out of myself. I'm confident I know much more than I do when I first started out (one positive affirmation of having paralysis by analysis is the wealth of general book knowledge I seem to sponge up by reading others failures and general guidelines). Correct me if I'm wrong, but all Internet Marketing is, is tunneling traffic generated by your websites content, into some sort of advertising medium, right? All I need is one website, with good content, at which I direct my visitors to an advertisement that one is willing to pay for said traffic. In a way, basically legal arbitrage, my free traffic, for your paying of my traffic. Now, concepts are easy, the general formation of them are not.

    Another thing I've come to notice, is if someone is willing to give out a multi-thousand dollar, un-fettered method, that it's either too good to be true, gone out of style, or isn't working for them, at which point the user trying to monetize their "technique" and "teachings" of them, to newcomers, to which I feel somewhat empathetic with them, considering it's the same old, same old. At which point do we stumble onto something "new", to try. Seems cat and mouse to me. A while back I wanted to take a deeper look into the minds of fellow members that were actually making progress with their ventures, in a way that I could see exactly "how", they came up, not with the ideas, but the twists. That was a desolate attempt.

    I'm not going to ask if I'm fit for the game, as anything can be learned, given enough time. Plus, I know I'll usually be approached with the same, over-used ridicule comments, such as "Yes, you should quit". Not exactly the humble community. I'm starting to believe nobody knows anything, that it's on a per-user basis to learn for themselves. Just like when as a young child, all parents (hopefully), explained to you the consequences of touching a hot stove. Sure, I've seen it happen to my Grandmother (burning her hand), I've heard stories, I've had it explained, but I never grasped the true point, until I had suffered and endured what they had. Is that what the "game" is all about. Just getting out there, losing money, and learning myself, to only comeback 2x as stronger and less susceptible to wondering aimlessly?
     
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  14. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    Thanks for the great post Allie, I hope some of the new members that are just starting out will read your great post and get something out of it.

    There is information out there, but they have to learn for themselves, just like everyone else has. If they're diligent then even if they have a few failures, they can learn from those and become even better at what they're doing.
     
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    itaintlupus Newbie

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    Here's something I posted in another thread: (Added a bit)

    When you're a noob making a typical "how do i start?" thread, people are going to tell you to search the forums. While you should, it really doesn't help if you don't know where to start. Before you do anything in internet marketing, you need to know the language. If you see a bunch of threads talking about "proxies", don't make a post asking what a proxy is. Go to google, and type
    Code:
    define:proxy
    - that will work most of the time, and it's quick. If you can't find it there, simply google "What is a proxy". That will work with 99% of questions you have. Don't know what scrapebox is? Find a thread or site explaining it. If there's a lesson to be learned, it's that you need to be able to acquire information for yourself, otherwise your career in making money online is going to be a short one. The best way to learn the language is simply READ. More appropriately, on forums it's called lurking. Before making a thread, see if a similar one has already been made. Before posting a question, READ the thread you're replying to - someone may have already asked.

    If you're really stuck - ask a question, but ask a direct question. Instead of "what is scrapebox?", find out for yourself what it is, and then ask about an aspect that you're not clear on.

    As for general knowledge, here's my advice - find a recent thread (Ex. the 300 microniche sites one) and figure out what they're doing and if you might be able to do it. If it doesn't interest you, move on. Another tip - never pay for an ebook or someones "secret method" - I can assure you the information already exists on here somewhere. Tools on the other hand, are costly unless you can find a cracked version that's not infected with trojans (99% are). Take a look at the DO NOT SHARE list in the member downloads - read it, read it again, and then read it one more time. That will save you making a thread like "where can i has cracked xrumer".

    If you don't understand something, it's usually much better to PM someone who seems like they know what they're doing and talk one-on-one than to just post new threads or in the thread itself. People are usually a lot nicer when there's nobody to show off to, just don't expect them to tutor you. Again, you have to ask direct questions, not just "How do I make money".

    Now, there's a lot of information on this forum, and on the internet in general. Don't think you can learn it all. When you're comfortable, make a plan and follow through! If it succeeds, improve it. If it fails, identify the problem and learn from it. I remember a stupid poster that was in my Grade 3 classroom - "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take". Lame, but it's valid. You may not make money on your first 2, 5, or 100 attempts, but you sure as hell won't make money clicking from thread to thread.

    A couple more pointers:
    - People with high-post counts, high thanks and rep, Jr-Vips etc, are usually a better source of information than a newb like myself :)
    - If it sounds too good to be true, you're being lied to or taken advantage of - even if it's not obvious how yet.
    - The downloads section is a goldmine.

    Good luck!
    :)
     
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  16. festeris101

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    Greywolf, thanks you for the time and effort you put into that post. It should be in a popup window when people load the site for the first time. :D

    Thanks again
     
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    Been saying that all along...it is long overdue. Great post, Wolf.
     
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  18. blackheader

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    You can find the initial-thread and the reason why I´m posting this reply here: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...wbie-threats-my-suggestion-prevent-those.html

    ARE YOU A NEW MEMBER TO BHW and WANT TO START A NEW THREAD? PLEASE READ THIS:

    After beeing a registered member for one month now, I discovered some "things and facts" about this forum, that I would like to share with
    every new-member here on this board.
    The intention of this post is to help you avoiding bannings or flamings from other members based on posting new threads that either


    • could be answered easily by using the searchbox in this forum

    • could be answered by asking gooogle, (if you would have asked the right question and invested some time to find a suitable answer)

    • should not have been posted here, for reasons I will explain you later on

    So, you recently signed up to BlackHatWorld and you also have a lot of questions, I´m sure. But before you immediately start to make new
    threads and posts please consider that this behaviour could get you into some trouble here. It not only recently happened that new members
    of this forum began to start asking questions immediately after they signed in. Lot´s of those questions were considered by the regular members
    to be simply just unneccessary and maybe even "stupid".

    So what could you do to avoid lots of flame or even a bann and get the most helpful answers to your questions:

    READ & LEARN
    Get yourself familiar with this forum. Google specific words if you don´t know them. Reading&Learning are first and most important things you
    should consider to do as a new member.

    ASK
    Whenever you have a question, feel free to ask. Everyone started as a beginner, since we aren´t born as "Internet-marketing-professionals"!.

    BUT before you post your question in a new thread you should double check the following points:


    • Does a similar question already exist? You can use the searchbox for this and often you will find a thread already prepared for your question/problem with lots of helpful answers.

    • Does my thread contain questions that should be general knowledge on this forum? Most of the members here know the meaning of words like proxy, xrumer, etc. It should also be general knowledge what the difference between WP and Blogger is! (Just as general examples, hope you got my point!) Remember that this is a "elite" forum, if you have basic questions on HTML you will waste everyones time.

    • Is the reason of my post simply just laziness? Be honest to yourself. A question like "How can I make $X a day!" or "How do I get massive followers on twitter?" will not only reveal that you just wanted to get the "best method" presented by some experts, it will also show that you don´t even have considered to have a look in the existing threads on this subject, which is laziness and will result in a lot of answers full of flame and maybe even a ban, since the first question would even violate the T.O.S of BHW.

    • Is your question specific enough? "How do I get followers on twitter?" wouldn´t be specific enough since there exist thousands of methods to obtain this target. The more you can specify your question, the more helpful answers you will get. The Twitter-question above will be answered alá "by following others", which surely won´t satisfy you.

    Have a look in the T.o.S of BHW and read the "Please Read" articles written by moderators in the specific forum. Honestly, when I
    registered in the past to a random forum I wasn´t interested at all in their ToS. But BHW is special. So consider to read the ToS completely,
    it will show you why nobody here will ever talk with you about ewhores and CS. :D It also prevents you from asking if CS means CounterStrike.
     
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  19. GreyWolf

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    @blackheader - Great reply!! Thanks for adding some really useful information to the thread.

    New members should really pay attention to blackadders post above. He just laid out some really good guidelines for you.
     
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  20. Gradimir Stankovic

    Gradimir Stankovic Power Member

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    New guys, just check my signature: http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5180/sigimg553.gif
    There are tons of great threads with a lot of valuable info here, you just need to press the search button, there is no need to start tons of same new threads asking for help :).

    All the best,
    Gradimir Stankovic.