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Discussion in 'My Journey Discussions' started by thyderius, Aug 7, 2013.

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  1. thyderius

    thyderius Newbie

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    So...
    I'm new here and beside my introduction post, this journey will be my first real post.
    I've been reading a lot on this board recently in order to get a little bit more insight.
    What I figured is, there are maybe a handful of people here making real cash, yet keep their main incoming methods a secret, while the majority just copies the same methods over and over again and wonders why it won't work...
    Mostly because they don't want to invest a single cent or have no imagination to twist the method a little bit.
    I read for example a dozen threads about the "content locking game keys/promoting by youtube" method.

    Well, I want to try a different approach and I will be honestly post all related data in this post and telling you if it works or not. But I will not post specific details, because I want you to twist it and use your own imagination... And of course I don't want to be copied. :)

    What do we need?


    • $50 (I will need to mix $ and €, sorry for that, but unfortunately, I buy traffic in $, but get paid in €)
    • An affiliate account with a lot of available CPA offers.
    • You need to choose a CPA campaign which pay between $1-$3 per LEAD (IMPORTANT: NOT SALE)
    • Choose a legit campaign which is child friendly and does not look like scam (E.g. no win a iphone/imac/car etc. crap and also no sexy stuff)
    • I will not tell you what my real campaign is about but for the sake of this post, lets call it the "Hello Kitty Community" campaign, where I receive for each new free signup €1,10
    • Don't google it, I just made it up. :)
    • The most difficult part is now, that you need a website which is either related to "Hello Kitty" or to "community's". Can be as simple as a landing page and as complex as a blog with hundreds of different entry's, where at least one post talks about "Hello Kitty" or "community's" and enter here somewhere your affi link.
    • A little bit experience with coding would be helpful, but not entirely necessary, later more why...
    • The last thing you need is an advertiser which offers cheap traffic. I mean cheap and legit, but not useless like ******. I tried before to advertise with it and 10k views not only didn't create one lead, no not even one click. But also Big G´s Adwords is out of question because the traffic is to expensive. You would need at least a 10% conversion rate in order not to loose money... So try to find an advertiser with a good quality/quantity balance. I am also not sure if the one I am using right now is good or not, so bear with me and let us walk together into unknown terrain.

    So now lets get started shall we?
    What do I actually want to do? I want to use cheap banner traffic to generate 3rd party leads. If it works? I have no idea, but worst case is I loose 50 $ and learn't one more lesson in IM. :)

    Here now a few data:
    I chose a 300x250 banner with a nice Hello Kitty Image, colorful and a big "Join for free" button on it
    I made the banner myself with PS, but you can google it, or the CPA company might even offer some advertising material.
    Than I create a new campaign with my $50 and target the 3 countrys only, which will get actually paid for signups on the "Hello Kitty community".
    In all I get 227.273 Impression with a CPM of $0.22. Few adjustments, like desktop only (no mobile) and frequency cap 1 per 24 hours.
    Now I upload my banner and enter the click url and I am done.

    Please pay now a little bit attention because this is important:
    We don't want that either the Hello Kitty community nor the CPA company knows where the traffic comes from!
    It must looks like the user came from this one blog entry or this one landing page which has the affi link on it.
    I use Brad´s CPA redirector to cloak it. Means, if someone opens the blog entry normal link, they will see simply the content. But with the magic number, we can misuse this entry as a redirector.
    I will not get into brad's redirector, if you want to know more about it, google it or search it on BHW.
    The traffic is cheap, because we don't know where the ad will be displayed. It could be on torrent pages, warez boards etc. But this won't matter for us, only the Hello Kitty community won't like to see themselves exposed on places like that.

    Thats it, everything is set, now I only need to wait until my campaign is approved. I limited it to $5 a day. So the next 10 days or so I will post a daily update about the earnings. My goal is to earn €80 with the invested $50, which would have doubled it. But I am actually already happy if I don't loose money. :)
    I calculated if I have a CPC of 2% and a Conversion Rate of 2%, I would get 90 leads which is equal to €100 out of the 200k impressions. If this works I will continue the journey and invest the whole earned money in new campaigns, again and again and again. I will also add more different CPA offers. If not, it will be a short journey and closed in approx. 10 days. :)

    I hereby invite you all to follow me down the unknown rabbit hole and see if on the end of the tunnel is a pot of gold or a pot of crap.
    I'm calling it the "The spent one, earn two" method.

    Have Fun!!!


    Update 1:
    My campaign just got approved (No surprise, which advertiser want to payback money!?), but it will need some time until it really starts and the statisics are updated. I guess tomorow, I will be able to show you the first numbers like click rate, conversions and of course, earned money...
    I also added an analytics code to the redirect page, so I can track the clicks made and compare them on both sides.



    Here all data so far:

    Day 1:
    Incoming: 0,00 €
    Invested: 50,00 $
     
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  2. abuhanifa

    abuhanifa Senior Member

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    It does not look like your second post , Impressive. Wish you all the luck , hope you do well with this one . Keep us updated .
     
  3. Zoomer3690

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    Seems something unique. Gonna subscribe :)
     
  4. thyderius

    thyderius Newbie

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    Thanks guys... I also hope it works as expected. I might be new here, but I quit my 9-5 job already 2004. So for 9 years I somehow managed to survive in the big internet jungle, but what pisses me off is I only "survive" and don't LIVE!
    I don't have a fancy car or big house, somehow my average earning is what I would get in a normal job as well. Most earnings come from one quiet big page which is 80% monetized by big G. But this one stuck, I can't squeeze more out of it anymore and if I want to earn more I need to find new ways... I tried the last months several methods, but none worked so far. I did cookie stuf... (Don't ask for details :)), premium account selling on ebay for one click hoster, gift card selling for travel agency's on ebay, I do some filesharing on different boards which provide a few extra bucks per month and currently I also run a youtube channel where I use a method I read here about to monetize my videos. But this is more long term and of no importance right now. I also do web develpment on freelancer but I'm kinda lazy working for others, especially when their requirements always change while the money is never worth the effort. I had it on freelancer, that I worked 3 days, each 10 hours for some **** while I got only $80 for the whole project. I still do freelancer but only when I have nothing else to do and I am in real good mood, cause you need it...
     
  5. Zoomer3690

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    9 years is a long time to be in the IM world man. I am sure you must have gained a lot of experience in all these years. Would like to share some to newbies like me lol ?


     
  6. auxiliarus

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    Lol, 9 Years?!? Holy ****... That's a LONG AND HUGE INTERNET EXPERIENCE! :).
     
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  7. thyderius

    thyderius Newbie

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    Well, I know my stuff, but I wouldn't call myself a guru or whatever. For example I am more a coder and designer, than a real IM'ler... I have for example no clue about SEO... I know the basics, but 90% of all people here know more about it... My only advantage is that I am able to create pages away from any cms like wp or joomla, so I have in this directions more freedom.
    My first contact with web development was with xxx... Mostly image galleries and promoted with different link exchange programs, linklists, toplists, etc... Everyting very oldschool and pre-google. But it worked and it was fun. :)
    After that I started what would become my biggest success even till now. First of all I had a channel on a video website similiar to youtube, in my country actually even more famous during that time. On this channel I uploaded some videos regarding a specific kind of media and those videos became quite viral. So I created a page which allowed to watch them as stream and via download and it was the first one of its kind during that time. It become very quick very popular. Second result on google after wikipedia for the main keyword. Pagerank 5, about 100k uniques per day and adsense loved it... The best part is, that this page was never intendent to became a money machine, I did it only for fun and also promoting was more of a sideeffect because of my good visited channel. So it was a great time, but there was one problem... Not entirely legal, so Big G had to drop the support after 2 years great partnership and to many abuse reports. But I did even receive a personal message from a google worker, in which he apologized and I even received my last payment and also the account was never canceled, in fact I am still using it today... But after that, it went only downhill and no other advertiser could compensate for adsense. So I gave the main page to a friend for administration and focused on monitizing around it which I still do today. But I want to have some more options available than that. In fact I've been lucky with this kind of success and repeating it was impossible. Also the amount of visitors droped to maybe 25k a day, still good, but the competion became stronger. I had month earnings as good as 10.000 € and also as bad as 100 €... In all i simply managed to survive and need now this one idea that brings me back on track...
    I am sure there are some other oldschool people here on this board with similiar experiences. :)
    I'm so long in this game already, somethimes I just want a 9-5 job and get it over with, but than again, I love the web and I am addicted to it. I can pay my rent, my food and everything else with my hands on my keyboard which is something not everyone can do and this is something all of you should not forget, you pay your life, thinking outside the box, while sitting in front of your computer which is actually amazing and not many people are able to do... I mean on this board we are all the same, but out in the real world, the normal people can only get to work in the morning because they know it no better, they have no other option, but we do. While their earnings are limited to their contract, ours can be as small as $1, but as big as $1 mio, or even limitless... Only our imagination is our limit.
    Well... enough offtopic, sometimes i start writing and catch myself unable to stop, lol...
    Good luck all of you!


     
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    interesting ..suscribed
     
  9. lmxftw

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    good one mate

    if you have some web dev php skills maybe you can use this

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/cpa/594135-idea-email-submit-offers-twisted.html
     
  10. Zoomer3690

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    I read it all. Without losing any interest or getting bored. ;)
    It seems cool enough.
    BTW, I have kinda exactly opposite skills as that of yours. I am a very poor designer and a even worse coder lol. I can do some SEO stuff though. I can do a considerable amount of SMO stuff as well. But as you see, there is no use trying something big as it requires a combination of all these skills, and I lack some of them lol :D

    Thanks anyway, too kind of you for taking the time to post your experience here :)


     
  11. TalP123

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    hey man
    just read your thread :p looks nice but there is a problem
    its really bad idea to use paid traffic like this with cpa.
    most of the time it fails because there is a normal 5~15% of clicks on the cpa only (not impressions) will do the survey
    so most of the chances that you wont profit from it

    i have a journey too and i use free traffic only (like facebook) you can post there 24/7 on pages\groups
    and that acually works.
    good luck with your journey :)
     
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    Nice share.. Gotta keep your work going.
     
  13. thyderius

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    Yeah, actually I know that paid traffic is never the solution, but I had this idea for a long time in my head and finally wanted to try out at least once. As I said, it could fail. What I need would be a 2% CTR and among this 2% clicks only 2% conversion rate and I'm set. Btw. what I offer is no scam and also no survey stuff, it is something with a real value for the user if he like it, free of charge for him and he only need to register, thats all... Just imagine someone would give you 1 buck for each user you send to BHW... The value someone get here is great if you target the right people. Thats actually the problem, I have a CPA with a great value, but only for a specific group of people. Would run great with adwords as you can pinpoint your targets, but not good enough to earn more as adwords cost you...

     
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    Not a typical newbie, that's nice. Good luck to you man.
     
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    I like it, exploiting Hello Kitty!
     
  16. Zoomer3690

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    Don't you do any video stuff? Send the traffic directly to the LP?

     
  17. thyderius

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    Update 2:
    Okay guys, time for a first checkup and let me tell you, it does not look good... Far to low CPC! I mean 0,03%? Guess that happens with untargeted cheap traffic. I am even wondering if the impression count is correct or if there is some kind of cheating mechanism involved, such as banner rotation or ads maybe displayed on the bottom of the page...
    I am using adperium in this case as advertiser, so maybe some of you guys have experience with them? Well so far I only got one lead, which is already lucky and will not happen again while the click rate is such low. So I guess this will end up badly, but I still keep you posted till the end!
    Here are the detailed data...

    Day 2:
    Incoming: 1,10 €
    Impressions: 22327 | Clicks: 7 | CPC: 0,03% | Conversions: 1 | Conversion rate: 14,29% | CPM: $0,22 | Budget spent: $4,94


    Day 3:
    Incoming: 0,00 €
    Impressions: 23014 | Clicks: 6 | CPC: 0,03% | Conversions: 0 | Conversion rate: 0,00% | CPM: $0,22 | Budget spent: $5,10
     
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  18. Zoomer3690

    Zoomer3690 Regular Member

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    IMO, You may get banned for the type of stats you are getting. It's clearly visible that you are trying to do something blackhat.



     
  19. thyderius

    thyderius Newbie

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    No, I won't... First because this stats are only visible to me. The CPA advertiser only sees that 13 links generated one conversion, nothing else, they dont know how many impressions are made (Don't forget, I am only using a ref link, but nothing that can record any data for them, eg. no javascript and no no 1px img). Second because I run the same campaign with dozens others on my main page as well totally legit and this generates by itself around 10€-15€/day. But I wanted to try this method without using my normal daily traffic. And third, because i cloak the referer and it seems like this clicks came from my standard page.
    Hence, with this click rate it is totally useless... Does someone of you guys know a good advertiser with at least country targeting options and which is affordable?


     
  20. Zoomer3690

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    Oh, seems like you do a lot of work on it ;)
    BTW, you are promoting legit stuff right?