- May 10, 2012
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Yep, that basically explains it. Not a chance that wasn't an anomaly.
Silent update on PBNs?
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Yep, that basically explains it. Not a chance that wasn't an anomaly.
beingink
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- Sep 19, 2013
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You would think first page websites will not dance so much, for a company screaming "We don't want people to do SEO".. They sure punish those who don't do it. Man you guys think after matt cutts search team is a bit lost?
KHer0
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- Mar 22, 2011
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One thing for sure is Time factor. In the last months I've built 4 domains. Google is really really slow at indexing the inner pages although they are top quality content.
The only domain did okay was an expired one with some backlinks from directories with low metrics. It did way better than brand new ones. Looks like google is taking it very slow nowdays.
It took 1 month to index all the pages in one of the domains. The newest one is 1 week old and 2 long articles dripped everyday. Only the domain name is indexed till now!
I 301 the expired domain to the new one to see its effect.
Anyway, google is getting slower and slower when it comes to new domains. They index it, but no rankings or real value at least in the first month.
The only domain did okay was an expired one with some backlinks from directories with low metrics. It did way better than brand new ones. Looks like google is taking it very slow nowdays.
It took 1 month to index all the pages in one of the domains. The newest one is 1 week old and 2 long articles dripped everyday. Only the domain name is indexed till now!
I 301 the expired domain to the new one to see its effect.
Anyway, google is getting slower and slower when it comes to new domains. They index it, but no rankings or real value at least in the first month.
Nikolavrum
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Today i dropped like few spots in the first page. Money site only driven by PBNs. Something is happening.
I'm sure those ranking changes you're referring to are down to Penguin 4. Noticed that many of my competitors suddenly had 1000's of new links in Majestic - one, yes, two maybe but tens of competitors. I put it down to Google releasing penalties and the shit floating back to the top.
- Apr 25, 2011
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Agree regarding new domains, been mixing these in myself as well. Also keeping pbn sites very high quality and not just all blogs - some restored from archive, some business style sites, some ecommerce style sites etc. So everything looks 100% real.
Ah well...
This for example:
The fact that you buy indexed domain with terrible history, anchors and backlinks, does not mean that it won't get penalized eventually.
Also, things work slower. I honestly think, at least from what I can see in the marketplace, that people here register crappy domains with horrible history, fairly abused in the past, yet not penalized. I haven't had single one of my clients complain about indexation issues or anything like that. Neither did I. It takes longer, but that's about it. I would really love to see some of those domains that you have trouble indexing.
This also isn't entirely true. The effectivity of the domain, IF it retains the niche, will be higher as compared to a domain which is not relevant. Still, weaker niche relevant domain = stronger non niche relevant domain. Question is. Who decides what kind of niche the domain is? If I have a multiniche site, what niche is it? If I have site about weddings, photography and cookies, what niche is it? Is it defined by name? Defined by backlinks? Defined by prior content? If you use something completely unrelated, then yeh, the strength of your domain will be lower, but sure as hell not zero and sure as hell has nothing to do with indexing.
Also, your statement... No authority = not getting indexed. In that case, all those 0 backlink websites with premium names that registrars have been holding for years will not get indexed? And what about fresh domains? If I have a parenting niche money site, and I cannot find related domains backlinks wise, now what am I going to do? I can go with just non niche relevant or somewhat brandable. Does that mean I won't rank anything even with XYZ sites in my PBN? No.
There are so many many flaws in that statement mate. I respect you a lot, but I simply cannot agree with this.
Yeh and also, disclaimer, I am not writing this just to promote myself. 80% of domains are sell are niche relevant anyway, so not that it matters to me.
Oh come on.
Agree, high metrics has to be valuable still and yea, low metrics niche domain probably same value as higher metrics unrelated domain.
I know it's hard to determine topic but I wonder if google has sort of a scatter graph view of things like topic focus, link neighbourhoods etc and using this data it can spot anomalies - like if a site is 10 years old and it links to and from a big circle of sites all in similar niche or topics, then suddenly it starts linking out to sites that none of the other sites in its wider neighbourhood have ever linked to them it gets flagged as suspicious.
ThopHayt
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I took a brand new EMD back in 2015 and turned it into a top 3 ranking site for a decent amount of core "review" keywords. Only took about 6 months to rank with very little SEO. Its not a giant niche, but it just goes to show you that it ok to mix and match the types of domains you use, especially if the niche is easy and if you see an EMD for $1.
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Stufferizer
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I have seen strong downward movements of sites supported by PBNs, top 3 to page 2. Hm...
MikeyMikey13
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PBN's are still strong.
I have a site I registered on 7th Jan 17, popped into the top 8 for a 5.5k/ms local keyword with just PBNs.
If you are using general niche PBN's etc that's the problem.
My PBN's are all niche relevant, spun content, link out to 4 ms per a PBN, barebones theme with OBL per a site of 5~ (excluding money site).
PBN's aren't the issue, it is the way you use them - however if you think you can rank with ten pbn's you are wrong lol. I build roughly 40-50 pbn's a month to keep pushing my sites (all expired domains).
I have a site I registered on 7th Jan 17, popped into the top 8 for a 5.5k/ms local keyword with just PBNs.
If you are using general niche PBN's etc that's the problem.
My PBN's are all niche relevant, spun content, link out to 4 ms per a PBN, barebones theme with OBL per a site of 5~ (excluding money site).
PBN's aren't the issue, it is the way you use them - however if you think you can rank with ten pbn's you are wrong lol. I build roughly 40-50 pbn's a month to keep pushing my sites (all expired domains).
codeman1234
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goblinsystems
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The "big guys" have all the resources behind them, but us "small guys" always have the advantage of being able to change and adapt very quickly. Google is like a gigantic aircraft carrier, immensely powerful but slow to steer. We're like the little Somali pirates in speed boats circling around before boarding them saying "I am your captain now!"
As long as you have the will and drive to keep learning and adapting to this ever-changing arms race, its going to be OK.
inetguru987
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There is definitely something happnening. I have a large review site that is dropping that is all white hat. I don't understand it. I have multiple niche money sites ranking by PBNs only and they are doing great.