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Silent update on PBNs?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by beingink, Feb 2, 2017.

  1. redarrow

    redarrow Elite Member

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    Thank you very interesting cheers ...

    You do no that back in december, that all popups can cause a ban or penalty ?
    That was suppose to be the new algo with google ,was official news ...
     
  2. Pinktoe

    Pinktoe Regular Member

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    All of my competitors use popups, every single one of them. None of them dropped
     
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  3. redarrow

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    My god another, more intersting.....
    Thank you

    Ps....
    Was this desktop and mobile traffic ?
     
  4. Pinktoe

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    Both, however, I just checked and 3 of them disabled their popups for mobile, only happens on desktop.

    Two seemed to make the popup less intrusive, and another two didn't change a single thing, one of which is ranking #1 right now. Ranking for this KW hasn't changed in a long time apart from #1 and #2 swapping quite often. #2 doesn't use mobile popups anymore.

    The other two is amazon and they don't use popups.
     
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  5. ThopHayt

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    No, it isn't wrong because Google only seems to do it when you pick up a domain and build a website on it totally unrelated to the topic/niche it used to be. Picking up a wedding domain with amazing metrics and building a real estate PBN is the type of thing I'm talking about and yes, I do believe Google is cracking down on that here. If they rip away the links they remove the authority, and without authority a PBN is slow to index. It makes perfect sense.

    -ThopHayt
     
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  6. Nargil

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    Ah well...

    This for example:
    The fact that you buy indexed domain with terrible history, anchors and backlinks, does not mean that it won't get penalized eventually.

    Also, things work slower. I honestly think, at least from what I can see in the marketplace, that people here register crappy domains with horrible history, fairly abused in the past, yet not penalized. I haven't had single one of my clients complain about indexation issues or anything like that. Neither did I. It takes longer, but that's about it. I would really love to see some of those domains that you have trouble indexing.

    This also isn't entirely true. The effectivity of the domain, IF it retains the niche, will be higher as compared to a domain which is not relevant. Still, weaker niche relevant domain = stronger non niche relevant domain. Question is. Who decides what kind of niche the domain is? If I have a multiniche site, what niche is it? If I have site about weddings, photography and cookies, what niche is it? Is it defined by name? Defined by backlinks? Defined by prior content? If you use something completely unrelated, then yeh, the strength of your domain will be lower, but sure as hell not zero and sure as hell has nothing to do with indexing.

    Also, your statement... No authority = not getting indexed. In that case, all those 0 backlink websites with premium names that registrars have been holding for years will not get indexed? And what about fresh domains? If I have a parenting niche money site, and I cannot find related domains backlinks wise, now what am I going to do? I can go with just non niche relevant or somewhat brandable. Does that mean I won't rank anything even with XYZ sites in my PBN? No.

    There are so many many flaws in that statement mate. I respect you a lot, but I simply cannot agree with this.

    Yeh and also, disclaimer, I am not writing this just to promote myself. 80% of domains are sell are niche relevant anyway, so not that it matters to me.

    Oh come on. :) We are not in a Snowden movie. Honestly doubt they would risk so much by catching up with PBN networks. Not to mention, there are so much easier ways how to find PBN sites than dig through terabytes of shite in emails.
     
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    Yes 2/8 expired domains that I bought are not indexed and it's been more than 2 months
     
  8. Nargil

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    All in all, those domains that are not getting indexed for you. I would LOVE to take a look at them thoroughly. So if someone gave up on them, feel free to shoot them over. I am really interested in taking a look. And I am also fairly sure that 75% of them will have some issues in the past.
     
  9. foppaGG

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    I registered five expired .de domains three days ago, content was uploaded two days ago and four domains are already indexed.
     
  10. Nargil

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    Would just like to share. @beingink sent me 2 domains for checking. One had "cialis" and "luis vuiton" anchors, second one had asian PBN history. So both most likely penalized or at least veeeery badly abused. Anyone else?

    And I believe this will be the case with most people here. If you register penalized/abused crap, then don't expect it to get indexed. Simple as that. No niche relevancies, resetted links, Gmail scanning and other Snowden stuff. Just simply abused and penalized domains.
     
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  11. redarrow

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    Nargil

    Please can you teach us , how you are checking the domains ,to make sure they are very safe .

    If you dont want info posted here ,but dont mind shearing with me for education, then please pm your way to cheack domains.

    If your willingly do a full step via step for everybody ,please do it ,and give me a link cheers ...

    Sorry but you seem to no your shit ,nice to learn from those that no ...
     
  12. Nargil

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    Well it's not rocket science and it's not a coca cola recipe. :D

    Shoot me a pm, I can give you a few pointers.
     
  13. foppaGG

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    Take a look at both guides to see how to check domains for spam

    https://www.pbnhq.com/spam-checking-expired-domains/
    http://authoritywebsiteincome.com/build-private-blog-network/#tab-con-9
     
  14. Nargil

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    Okay people, time to goto sleep. Lesson learned. Next time you are planning on spending $200+ on a domain make sure you check it thoroughly on every possible checker. Hidden buggers miss out.
     
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  16. ThopHayt

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    That does make sense. I know you are a hell of a lot more active in the domain market that I am so I trust your word.

    But I do personally get the feeling that Google has ramped up the pressure on those who take expired domains way off topic. I honestly don't know the answer to your question about what defines the niche/topic of a domain (on-site, content of links, or a mix) but it does seem that Google has its own equation for making that judgement. And lets be honest, a lot of people go a lot further off topic than they probably should. And topic may well only be one part of an overall "quality score" Google internally uses, so if you have good enough content and on-site you may well be able to get away with more.

    And if that statement I quoted from "Google about ignoring previous links if you stray too far off topic" would lead me to believe that the loss of links in such an instance would cause the offending site to indeed lose authority?? So the question would be (in that instance) does authority effect indexing even if your content and everything else is done correctly? Or perhaps the question would be, does Google use lack of indexing as a punishment for those who do stray too far off topic?

    -ThopHayt
     
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  17. Peter Ngo

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    Wait so it turns out the problem is with the domain? Which checker did you use that you miss majority of spammy anchors? It is pretty obvious you know.
     
  18. LuckyCharm007

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    For what it's worth, all the previous links my expired domain had before I picked it from the auction disappeared from GWT on January 22nd. I kept the domain in the same niche, or at least very close to what it was. For example, if my domain was previously about cars, I re-branded it as a car spare parts niche site. My ranking has been dancing ever since (going down - mostly)
     
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  19. Nargil

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    One was easily checked with Domaintools screenshots and the other via Majestic. In defense of OP, the spammy anchors were pretty hidden and you had to go deeper and check historic index to see the full extent of damage

    Yeh I read this. Has it happened again with some other domain? Because this seems pretty much a coincidence to me. Never happened to any of my money sites at all and I've been using some completely unrelated ones for churn and burn projects. My bet is on coincidence. If you can't replicate it, then it surely is imo.

    Good points there and I mostly agree.

    Google is catching up on the niche relevancy, but I don't think they will go any further than they are going now. What factors they use to determine niche relevancy? We will never know, but I doubt they are going way too narrow. I think main niches like Sports, Fashion or Kitchen are enough and you don't have to go deeper like longboards, XXX size or juicers. Also, brandable and at least somehow close is enough. IMO if Google uses something to determine the past niche, it's the content. I won't bet my car on this, but this is how I would do it, rather than with backlinks.

    And about the authority, in my experience, it does't matter. No matter how strong or weak the domain is, the initial indexing after expiration and registration has been pretty much the same.
     
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  20. beingink

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    They were hidden in majestic history archive. And since I only use ahrefs I missed those anchors. The other site was not archived on web archive or screenshots but was on domaintools and was used as a chinese spam site.
     
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