Service on BHW doesn't work anymore

You look foolish if you believe the statement about ranking improvement and the safety of one backlinks services. Let's be realistic minded, every links activity always have a risk behind it's benefits, especially if done through outsourcing.

I disagree with your opinion about the service in BHW is no longer working. All my sites are using services from here, and I still have excellent results. Although there are only some are dropped in ranking, but none one are De-indexed.

The KEY in outsourcing is you need to plan everything wisely, what type of link you want to use, when the execution was carried out, which provider to choose.

If you're still skeptic, simply just do it yourself ..!!!

You made very broad statement that most services are crap and fail against any google update. Which tells me you didn't do very good research.

i still use lots of services here. Some work, some don't. But you have to appreciate there are lots of factors at play- if you really want to just hand over your cash and get results regardless, you'll be paying $2k-$3k per month, not the average of $150 that bhw services cost.

not all providers are like this.. might be u had bad luck.

Life is like a box of chocolates.. So is Seo services on here

well, what did you expect from Black Hat World??

my advice: do everything yourself.

But, if you really want to buy services here - buy them only from very respected guys.

another thing: you can't get good stuff cheap

when you are going to buy 200 links, here is how they do it

1: they will use a bot
2: poorly spun articles

some providers are really good, even you can get some manual quality links

IamNRE said:

Agreed.... there are a lot of crappy SEO providers on here. Most of the providers don't know shit about SEO but still sell their services.

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Exactly IamNRE is absolutely correct !
Really the seo providers here are making some fool out of us
CAOUTION - NOT ALL THE SEO PROVIDERS :tropical:

bestmate said:

Well also just beware of fake or paid for reviews of serp movement to no.1 that never happened!

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That are a bit harder to see. Some pop out.

Not surprised at all, really. Google has employed some of the smartest computer engineers in the world and has pretty much unlimited money + resources and you really think someone who lives in their mom's basement is going to outsmart them?

Yes actually thats exactly the sort of people who can out smart Google, geeks who sit alone in their bedrooms and can hack into government websites are also very capable of out smarting Google. If they can do it then so can many switched on wiz kids.

swi7ch said:

Not surprised at all, really. Google has employed some of the smartest computer engineers in the world and has pretty much unlimited money + resources and you really think someone who lives in their mom's basement is going to outsmart them?

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@OP. There is no SEO provider out there that can guarantee any of their links are toxic free. No one can, you buy at your own risk, As much as it;s hard for clients who got hits, its also hard on the provider when they get contacted their clients got hits.

Am sure every provider are trying to get their clients ranking improvement, possibly page 1, you guys also need to be realistic that we are in the industry where Google dictates who to be on page 1, where google dictates when they can fuck us over.

This SEO industry changes so much you don't know your ass from your elbow

BHW still is and will always remain as the best marketplace for seo services in the world. You just need to do your due diligence before going with a provider right away. There are many on here. So it is obvious there are many that don't know seo but are still here selling seo services as if they do know seo.

Ive come across many crappy seo services. I haven't named them publicly. But if you come and ask me about a service personally. Ill tell you the honest truth and nothing but the truth. Just PM any member you see on a BST about a service. They'll reply. Don't PM the member that got the review copy obviously. Pm the guy that bought the service and left no review.

We are in the IM business and therefore should be able to distinguish the difference between hype and truth.
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of IMers who fall for the exact same copy they use on their own sites.
When I was in direct sales we always used to say, "The easiest sale is to another salesperson because they
already know the dance so we don't have to teach them the tune.".
You know in your own heart no one can honestly say they can beat the next update but you want to believe
they can because it soothes your comfort zone and gives you that sense of achievement.
These are sales tactics, people buy on emotions and not common sense.

Why not ask for a guarantee? Because no one can give you one!
Sites take constant nurturing you can't throw back-links at it one day and expect it to keep it's rankings.
Buy initial services to get it ranking and then nurture it like you would a plant.
Water it regularly and feed it now and then, make sure it has the right environment and keep it out of direct sunlight.

ya, i totally agry with you.
Tryed some service and got hitted

Don't blame the providers. It is indeed very often their work here. They write "Penguin safe" because we buyers want to read it. At the end of the day we need to hire due dilligence and based on our own knowledge. If you hire a killer to kill you mother and your mother gets killed its not the fault of the killer in a nutshell.
We often get seduced by quick success and dollar signs in our eyes, we feel providers service will nuke our site one day (we would be stupid if we didnt) and we dont want to see that fact and order. He will know what he does... But he cant know which knobs are turned next at the Google HQ. For me BHW providers can only be used for churn & burn sites - true business sites? Way to risky.

subster said:

Don't blame the providers. It is indeed very often their work here. They write "Penguin safe" because we buyers want to read it. At the end of the day we need to hire due dilligence and based on our own knowledge. If you hire a killer to kill you mother and your mother gets killed its not the fault of the killer in a nutshell.
We often get seduced by quick success and dollar signs in our eyes, we feel providers service will nuke our site one day (we would be stupid if we didnt) and we dont want to see that fact and order. He will know what he does... But he cant know which knobs are turned next at the Google HQ. For me BHW providers can only be used for churn & burn sites - true business sites? Way to risky.

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True. It stands to reason though : if you are doing SEO for the business owner at the top of the road, your not going to build 10,000 links with scrapebox to his site - for those customers you need whitehat SEO- link exchange, few local directories etc.
BUT, if you want to rank for a high value keyword and have a direct way to make money from it then you use bhw services. Rank, bank and get out.

having said that, there are also high quality services here (lots of them), and some I use on clients sites, but obviously those services are much much more expensive (ie manual guest posting services here, maybe $40 per link, whereas auto post/1k directory submissions and so on might be $0.001 per link, so obviously quality is not the same and they are not meant to be used in the same way.

My view is some of the services are rubbish, some are ok.
Generaly i only buy the cheap stuff so don't get too disappointed when it's rubbish.

Just thinking out loud here:
As I understand it sales threads have to be approved by a mod.
Maybe it's time that some phrases need to be disallowed - "guaranteed results", "panda safe" "penguin safe" "google safe" etc.
We all know [edit - no actually we don't all know, there are plenty of newbies who stumble in and believe it] that those phrases are not true - so sales threads that say that are actually lying.
So why are those sales threads allowed?

@OP Do take this into heavy consideration. No matter what seo methods you employ, they can all be a pointless depending on what you are doing to your customers on the web site or if you are hard linking to black listed affiliate domains.

Come on, it's easy enough to tell the quality of a service - just look at the reviews.

In the first place you need to know what your site needs, and then find someone who provides that particular service. Many of these people tell you right in their sales thread they are using spin stuff, or whatever. As long as they give you what they said they will they have fulfilled their end.

Buying a link blast when you need on page seo is not going to rank your site. Buying on page seo when you need quality backlinks is not going to help.

A good example of someone failing to do this is Rayee above. He is buying services that are not proper to rank a local site, and he blames the seller.

If you do not know what you need, throwing backlinks at something is stupid and hoping it will help is ever more stupid.

Amother thing, what is fine right now may be not allowed in a few months. Compounding this is the fact that something that is working now but is Blackhat (people will call this grey hat) at some point may get you penalized.

If you do some grey hat stuff, and later buy a package, the grey hat may bite you in the ass and you blame the seller of your last service. Since you have no idea what you actually need, nor what actually happened, its hard to blame anyone,except yourself.

When you go buy a car, do you tell the salesman to get you a car, or tell them that you need a car for a family with a trailer hitch for pulling as boat? If you do not even know what kind of car you need, you need to do some research into what you need, and find a car that fits that need. If a sales man told you that he has a volkswagon that will pull a 30 ft boat, and get 1000 miles a gallon while doing this, would you buy that car? No, because you know damn good and well it cannot do it. Buying services is the same way.

Another thing: SEO literally changes from moment to moment, and any time your site behaves in a way that your competitors do not, it can raise flags. Local businesses do not typically have a lot of backlinks. Blasting a local site like this can kill it, because they do not behave that way.

Learn your craft, then buy services you need, test these services until you find the right one for you, or be specific when you order, make the person commit to what you need, and hold them accountable.

There are good services here, and newbies who read a WSO and consider themselves SEOists.

A blanket statement about all services is simply not true.

One could even say you are lying.

This is a buyer beware world, and you need to do your homework.