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Serious PBN'rs - Ranking times got SO SLOW, why? / ANALYSIS & HELP

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by rambolife, Feb 17, 2016.

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  1. rambolife

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    Hey guys, haven't been for a while now.

    Besides the major and/or known ranking factor changes, I must admit that the number 1 issues for us is ranking times.
    Half a year ago, creating a churn site with just a few pages, pointing several hundreds tier1 links at it with mostly EXACT anchors, even using sitewide links, all at the same time, resulted with lighting fast rankings for competitive niches and keywords. This enabled webmasters to determine winners and work on the site design, content and overall authority.

    What changed since? Using the same methods, same links, different and easier niches, using aged domains and even geo targeting for less competitive countries all seem to be ineffective!

    - Is it the page indexed page amount?
    There's a possibility that G sees the inbound links and analyses the site in minutes since links were built, then determines the website is think in content. It could be the same for age, amount of links etc..

    - is it the blast of links?
    Trying to "Drip Feed" links seemed not to work as well, and have less impact.

    - is it the age?
    Used to rank flawlessly, see above.

    - is it the anchors?
    I seriously doubt that.

    Something else??


    Guys, please give you input so we could better rank! Im not buying into the "give it some time" or "not enough content" when I see awesome redirects work like a charm, thin websites crush it in no time and so on.

    Appreciate the help!
     
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    If you take a good dropped domain with strong backlinks, you need almost nothing else.
     
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    You gota invest $ with sites now. If you do not have a PBN, buy posts, sape, etc. With a great site (Quality content), good anchor ratios, & onpage.. it shoudnt take long to rank. I personally ranked a client site to page one for a few money kws in 40 days or so in the insurance niche.. which is far more competitive than most niches people here go for.

    It costs $, thats all.
     
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    this is one BIG reason. ;)
     
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    When you say "slow" exactly what time frame are you talking about?

    New sites take a bit longer to rank these days, that's just the reality of the current algorithm.
     
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    Is the content A+ quality? And is there ENOUGH content?
     
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    What about your backlink and content quality?
     
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    1+ For Content And Anchor Also!!
     
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    Content, Anchor and Quality of backlinks is of prime importance currently.
     
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    Have tried several times to use dropped domain, not exactly for the 'strong backlinks', as this is not the issue, but to test the aged domain factor. This seems irrelevant!


    Thanks for the reply, although the insurance niche is competitive, it boils down to which keywords you aimed for. We are targeting highly competitive niches as well. The dollar factor is not the issue here at all, so in what to invest? I'm not quite sure that having 40 quality blog posts on a website will help my main landing page rank, or am I wrong?

    By the way, would you say the pointing most links to 1 page is better then 'spreading' the love over a few key pages? Only in terms of g's love, nothing else.
     
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    I differ. When everybody speaks about anchor diversity and so on, i see the actual results very much different. You'll be surprised how some top guns rank with 90% exact match, and this make them rank for other related keywords as well.

    I'm not just assuming stuff here, tried and tested! i'd love to agree and see the results for myself.

    Hey Richard,

    6 months back, the same tactic, links etc would make a new website rank within days. The biggest fear is the G actually delays ranking abilities and this is my main concern and thought. This is why we tried using aged domains. Also, G loves fresh content - news pieces get extra love, also posts that are new and might be relevant to the audience - this is quite contradicting.

    Thoughts?


    Not to be blunt, but obviously this is a promotion, and I get it. The content doesn't really matter - what is ENOUGH content? Tell me and ill order a bulk order right away. im serious.

    People ranking for online casino, gambling, dating, or any serious niche, do they have a landing page or 3k+ bullshit article?
     
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    Im talking kws like **** insurance. So they are very high comp and we generally compete with insurance companies who dont even need 100's of links to rank top 3 positions because of their authority. 40 Blog posts can and CAN NOT be enough depending on where the links are coming from and the quality of the network. Dripping links, content, deeplinking all matters as well.

    When you say dollar factor, whats your budget for this website per month? I never spread links across the site in the beginning. Use common sense here, its a new website... real people are gonna link your homepage more than inner pages unless its a blog post or something. I only build to home page.. but my profile is VERY quality focused. Dont get me wrong, its all blackhat (80% atleast).. but my content is very well written to the point that if a read does end up on the page on my t1's they will learn a thing or 2.

    Shoot me a pm, I can help you recommend some services to buy from bhw that i use. Every site is different and you cant copy paste the same formula on every niche.. think about it.. would a website about 'xbox live codes' and 'auto insurance quotes' have the same link structure or strategy? One is more social media focused, other, completely opposite.

    *Disclaimer -> I learn from people here and apply.. I no where close to a SEO guru. My suggestions are based on my own success.
     
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    It should work fine if you opt for aged domains with quality backlinks. Nothing works as fast as it was a couple years back. That said, depending on competition it may not be enough. Quality of content and quality of backlinks is all it takes to book prime spots in SERP.
     
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    A lot goes into it. Your PBNs need to be strong but at the same time your money site needs to be decent.
     
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    Great reply. I'm also all about the thoughts keyword, and learned the if you to rank for a particular one, you usually rank for others as well, even without them being in the anchors and even the content itself. We agree about having decent content, great backlinks and giving it a bit of time, I usually link to inner pages and saw better success this way - there's lots to tweak and test.

    BTW, after rankings in the main terms, I usually never add more PBN links to the same pages or new ones.