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Scammed by SeoElf for $400

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by seoguy1982, Jan 8, 2015.

  1. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

    Apr 4, 2011
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    Toronto Canada
    I was scammed by SeoElf for $400

    On 12-26-2014 I made a posting about wanting Canadian Verified Facebook Accounts.

    I was added to Skype by BHW user SeoElf on Dec 18th. His profile: seoelf (members/811545-seoelf)

    He sounded very knowledgeable about account creating and told me he can get me Facebook verified accounts that can easily be turned into Facebook Ad Accounts.
    I was impressed by his vast knowledge of the industry and the Facebook game. He even jumped on a voice call with me and discussed everything that he does.

    I decided to buy 4 advertising accounts from him. The terms on the invoice were the following:
    Terms and conditions:
    Marketing Training, Facebook / PPC. Plus 4 accounts.

    On Dec 20, 2014 I paid SeoElf $400 for Invoice ID: INV2-6Y4Q-****-****-****.

    As soon as I paid the invoice SeoElf instant refunded me the money that I paid for the invoice. I did not receive anything from the seller. His reason for refunding was the following: My payment was "pending" in his account.

    I was told by the seller that I wouldn't get any of the items described in the invoice until i gave him $400. I was instructed by PayPal not to send him any more money until i got a refund.

    On Dec 29, 2014 I got a message from PayPal saying that "The refund sent by xxxxx xxxxx (email) did not clear from the sender's bank. You have not received funds for this payment in your PayPal account. Please contact xxxxx xxxxx regarding this refund."

    I contacted the seller and he told me that he did refund the money. I explained to him that the situation was that my account wasn't refunded and the refund was Removed from the transaction. He played dumb about the refund being removed. He claimed that there wasn't any notes on his profile about his bank not processing the payments. At this point i have not gotten anything that was described by the seller on the invoice. He refuses to send me anything. His answer to where the goods are is "well it says refunded on mine". I believe the seller blatantly scammed me. He sent me a refund as soon as I sent payment and then didn't have any funds in his bank account so the refund was removed.He is playing dumb about the refund being removed. At no point did i receive anything from him for the $400 that I sent him. At this point I just want my money back as I believe I have been taken for a ride and scammed by the seller.

    Paypal did not do anything when i filed a dispute and then claim because this was an Electronic Transfer.

    SeoElf deleted me off of skype on Dec 24th and i added him back.
    - I have no idea why he accepted my invite to skype again. I know something was the second he refunded the payment.
    - He kept saying the refund is going to be processed
    - Then on December 29th when i asked him why he removed the refund he played dumb saying it was actually processed on his end.
    - I called paypal and they said he cancelled the e-check via his bank.
    - he then deleted me off skype again.

    I have all the users info: Name, email, address, # etc. I am not sure if its real.

    Screenshots of interest are attached.

    I tried to be professional when posting this.

    I have attempted to email the user and have contacted him many times via BHW.

    Attached are screenshots!


    Please ban this user for good. I would love for him to reply and tell me what is up.

    Attached is the skype convo:

    [18/12/2014 1:16:47 PM] *** Seoelf would like to add you on Skype

    Canadian pva fb. ***
    [18/12/2014 1:17:28 PM] *** REPLACED has shared contact details with Seoelf. ***
    [18/12/2014 1:17:32 PM] REPLACED: hey man
    [18/12/2014 1:17:42 PM] REPLACED: how are you?'
    [18/12/2014 1:17:57 PM] Seoelf: Good u?
    [18/12/2014 1:18:01 PM] REPLACED: Decent
    [18/12/2014 1:18:03 PM] REPLACED: Where you located?
    [18/12/2014 1:18:04 PM] Seoelf: how much u paying per acc?
    [18/12/2014 1:18:14 PM] REPLACED: was paying 1 dollar
    [18/12/2014 1:18:16 PM] REPLACED: per account
    [18/12/2014 1:18:22 PM] REPLACED: But not canadian
    [18/12/2014 1:18:23 PM] Seoelf: way too low man.
    [18/12/2014 1:18:28 PM] REPLACED: Where you live?
    [18/12/2014 1:18:39 PM] REPLACED: What's the quality of these accounts?
    [18/12/2014 1:18:44 PM] Seoelf: UK but i got a ton of private proxys virtual machines diff browsers etc
    [18/12/2014 1:18:47 PM] Seoelf: there great
    [18/12/2014 1:18:55 PM] Seoelf: i usually make them for facebook advertisers.
    [18/12/2014 1:18:59 PM] REPLACED: I don't have any proxies ...
    [18/12/2014 1:19:06 PM] Seoelf: i can give proxy with acc.
    [18/12/2014 1:19:09 PM] REPLACED: I used to deal with VPS's
    [18/12/2014 1:19:15 PM] Seoelf: yeah i use vm
    [18/12/2014 1:19:18 PM] Seoelf: with fresh browser
    [18/12/2014 1:19:18 PM] REPLACED: Canadian Proxies?
    [18/12/2014 1:19:24 PM] Seoelf: if thats what u need
    [18/12/2014 1:19:25 PM] REPLACED: from Toronto area?
    [18/12/2014 1:19:31 PM] Seoelf: they are in toronto :p
    [18/12/2014 1:19:38 PM] Seoelf: capital ofc
    [18/12/2014 1:20:01 PM] REPLACED: what is required once you send me the proxies?
    [18/12/2014 1:20:10 PM] REPLACED: how do I add them to my computer etc?
    [18/12/2014 1:20:12 PM] Seoelf: some torronto and some ottawa
    [18/12/2014 1:20:18 PM] Seoelf: i can show u its pretty straight forward
    [18/12/2014 1:20:20 PM] REPLACED: that's fine
    [18/12/2014 1:20:23 PM] Seoelf: depends how many u ordering etc etc
    [18/12/2014 1:20:27 PM] Seoelf: i dont usually do small numbers.
    [18/12/2014 1:20:28 PM] REPLACED: What if another partner of mine wants them?
    [18/12/2014 1:20:33 PM] REPLACED: Sorry
    [18/12/2014 1:20:36 PM] Seoelf: i can hook him up to
    [18/12/2014 1:20:37 PM] REPLACED: What if he wants to use them
    [18/12/2014 1:20:50 PM] REPLACED: Like we both want to have access to the accounts
    [18/12/2014 1:20:52 PM] Seoelf: yeah he can the proxies have a username and pass on them
    [18/12/2014 1:21:01 PM] Seoelf: so u just give him that.
    [18/12/2014 1:21:10 PM] REPLACED: We can both use multiple proxies from the same computer?
    [18/12/2014 1:21:14 PM] REPLACED: Sorry
    [18/12/2014 1:21:16 PM] REPLACED: Different computer?
    [18/12/2014 1:21:20 PM] Seoelf: not at same time
    [18/12/2014 1:21:23 PM] REPLACED: oh
    [18/12/2014 1:21:26 PM] Seoelf: there unique
    [18/12/2014 1:21:31 PM] Seoelf: ip never been used before
    [18/12/2014 1:21:36 PM] REPLACED: but we can both have them on our own computer?
    [18/12/2014 1:21:37 PM] Seoelf: i mean u probably could use them
    [18/12/2014 1:21:44 PM] Seoelf: at same time.
    [18/12/2014 1:22:05 PM] REPLACED: We can both have access to them from dfifferent computers you mean.. just wouldn't use them at the same time?
    [18/12/2014 1:22:11 PM] Seoelf: yeah just need firefox
    [18/12/2014 1:22:28 PM] Seoelf: theres more to it
    [18/12/2014 1:22:33 PM] Seoelf: ill explain after we talk $
    [18/12/2014 1:22:35 PM] Seoelf: ;0
    [18/12/2014 1:23:03 PM] REPLACED: how much is each account?
    Do they have friends etc?
    [18/12/2014 1:23:05 PM] REPLACED: are they aged?
    [18/12/2014 1:23:08 PM] REPLACED: what's the deal?
    [18/12/2014 1:23:31 PM] REPLACED: where are you out of sir?
    [18/12/2014 1:23:38 PM] Seoelf: England
    [18/12/2014 1:23:38 PM] REPLACED: All #s are Canadian?
    [18/12/2014 1:23:39 PM] Seoelf: london
    [18/12/2014 1:23:49 PM] Seoelf: there fresh and can add friends
    [18/12/2014 1:23:52 PM] Seoelf: but pva
    [18/12/2014 1:23:53 PM] Seoelf: any country
    [18/12/2014 1:23:56 PM] Seoelf: unique ip
    [18/12/2014 1:23:59 PM] Seoelf: browser etc.
    [18/12/2014 1:24:03 PM] REPLACED: #'s are all Canadian #'s?
    [18/12/2014 1:24:06 PM] Seoelf: can run ads if thats what your doing
    [18/12/2014 1:24:09 PM] Seoelf: if u need all cad
    [18/12/2014 1:24:10 PM] Seoelf: np
    [18/12/2014 1:24:15 PM] Seoelf: i can do that.
    [18/12/2014 1:24:21 PM] REPLACED: What's the price?
    [18/12/2014 1:24:27 PM] REPLACED: for aged account ..
    [18/12/2014 1:24:28 PM] Seoelf: how many u need?
    [18/12/2014 1:24:43 PM] Seoelf: i got like 50 cad accs that i was going to sell to advertisers
    [18/12/2014 1:24:52 PM] REPLACED: How old are these accounts?
    [18/12/2014 1:24:54 PM] Seoelf: there all 6month old
    [18/12/2014 1:25:01 PM] REPLACED: they have daily activity?
    [18/12/2014 1:25:06 PM] Seoelf: no
    [18/12/2014 1:25:10 PM] REPLACED: That's the problem
    [18/12/2014 1:25:14 PM] REPLACED: facebook wants daily activity
    [18/12/2014 1:25:16 PM] REPLACED: and use
    [18/12/2014 1:25:17 PM] Seoelf: what u need them for
    [18/12/2014 1:25:22 PM] Seoelf: it depends how u use them
    [18/12/2014 1:25:22 PM] REPLACED: advertising
    [18/12/2014 1:25:24 PM] REPLACED: accounts
    [18/12/2014 1:25:26 PM] Seoelf: ok
    [18/12/2014 1:25:29 PM] Seoelf: these are perfect for u then
    [18/12/2014 1:25:31 PM] REPLACED: Facebook knows they are fakes..
    [18/12/2014 1:25:34 PM] REPLACED: do they not?
    [18/12/2014 1:25:37 PM] Seoelf: not if there made properly.
    [18/12/2014 1:25:50 PM] Seoelf: i provide backup with mine 2
    [18/12/2014 1:25:53 PM] Seoelf: passport scans
    [18/12/2014 1:25:55 PM] Seoelf: ;D?
    [18/12/2014 1:26:01 PM] REPLACED: is this legal?
    [18/12/2014 1:26:03 PM] Seoelf: in case they ever do want verification
    [18/12/2014 1:26:09 PM] Seoelf: its a grey area
    [18/12/2014 1:26:13 PM] Seoelf: thats why we use proxys
    [18/12/2014 1:26:14 PM] Seoelf: sir
    [18/12/2014 1:26:16 PM] REPLACED: I don't wanna go down for fake id's
    [18/12/2014 1:26:16 PM] Seoelf: ;)
    [18/12/2014 1:26:20 PM] Seoelf: u wont
    [18/12/2014 1:26:23 PM] Seoelf: u got a proxy
    [18/12/2014 1:26:26 PM] Seoelf: your ip is nowhere
    [18/12/2014 1:26:26 PM] REPLACED: They can trace my credit crad #s
    [18/12/2014 1:26:27 PM] REPLACED: no?
    [18/12/2014 1:26:33 PM] Seoelf: u can make a vcc
    [18/12/2014 1:26:37 PM] Seoelf: and fund that..
    [18/12/2014 1:26:42 PM] REPLACED: How?
    [18/12/2014 1:26:45 PM] Seoelf: wow your clueless
    [18/12/2014 1:26:50 PM] Seoelf: how long u been in the advertising game
    [18/12/2014 1:26:55 PM] REPLACED: a while
    [18/12/2014 1:27:02 PM] REPLACED: I have credit cards.. but vritual #s are all banned by fb
    [18/12/2014 1:27:05 PM] Seoelf: k well your talking to a pro
    [18/12/2014 1:27:09 PM] Seoelf: no there not
    [18/12/2014 1:27:13 PM] Seoelf: if u know the right merchant.
    [18/12/2014 1:27:21 PM] REPLACED: what merchants work? are they reloadable?
    [18/12/2014 1:27:29 PM] Seoelf: this isnt a support desk
    [18/12/2014 1:27:33 PM] Seoelf: lets talk greenery
    [18/12/2014 1:27:34 PM] Seoelf: ;)
    [18/12/2014 1:27:45 PM] REPLACED: WEll I need to ensure we don't get caught here
    [18/12/2014 1:27:48 PM] REPLACED: All tracks are covered sir
    [18/12/2014 1:27:51 PM] REPLACED: what's your name?
    [18/12/2014 1:27:58 PM] Seoelf: Mickey
    [18/12/2014 1:28:00 PM] Seoelf: Mouse
    [18/12/2014 1:28:01 PM] Seoelf: ;
    [18/12/2014 1:28:02 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [18/12/2014 1:28:02 PM] Seoelf: u
    [18/12/2014 1:28:04 PM] REPLACED: you are nuts
    [18/12/2014 1:28:05 PM] REPLACED: llol
    [18/12/2014 1:28:08 PM] Seoelf: w/e works
    [18/12/2014 1:28:10 PM] REPLACED: Donald Duck
    [18/12/2014 1:28:11 PM] REPLACED: sir
    [18/12/2014 1:28:15 PM] Seoelf: good shit
    [18/12/2014 1:28:17 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [18/12/2014 1:28:19 PM] REPLACED: Anyways..
    [18/12/2014 1:28:24 PM] REPLACED: Can we do a test?'
    [18/12/2014 1:28:27 PM] Seoelf: sure
    [18/12/2014 1:28:31 PM] REPLACED: and I will give you good bueisness down the road
    [18/12/2014 1:28:32 PM] REPLACED: if this works
    [18/12/2014 1:28:48 PM] Seoelf: k well i got plenty of buyers i got 1 guy paying 500 for 5
    [18/12/2014 1:28:50 PM] REPLACED: and can refer you to a lot of others
    [18/12/2014 1:28:52 PM] Seoelf: so they must be good
    [18/12/2014 1:28:58 PM] REPLACED: 100 an account?
    [18/12/2014 1:29:01 PM] Seoelf: yeah
    [18/12/2014 1:29:03 PM] REPLACED: that's crazy talk
    [18/12/2014 1:29:03 PM] Seoelf: there solid
    [18/12/2014 1:29:09 PM] Seoelf: why is it
    [18/12/2014 1:29:13 PM] Seoelf: u gonna make more than 100 with it?
    [18/12/2014 1:29:14 PM] REPLACED: I was paying 1 dollar and farming them
    [18/12/2014 1:29:22 PM] Seoelf: yeah and now look at where you are
    [18/12/2014 1:29:29 PM] REPLACED: getting a VA to make friends etc. show activity
    [18/12/2014 1:29:31 PM] Seoelf: these are long lasting
    [18/12/2014 1:29:35 PM] Seoelf: bulletproof
    [18/12/2014 1:29:38 PM] Seoelf: verified.
    [18/12/2014 1:30:43 PM] REPLACED: max I will pay is 20 an account. to get going.. I still have to create the safe pages before I do any black hat spend.. and age the personal ad account.
    [18/12/2014 1:31:25 PM] REPLACED: but I think that is expensive
    [18/12/2014 1:32:11 PM] REPLACED: well?
    [18/12/2014 1:32:48 PM] Seoelf: no sorry its just to low.
    [18/12/2014 1:33:00 PM] REPLACED: Seriously eh?
    [18/12/2014 1:33:33 PM] Seoelf: it is man.
    [18/12/2014 1:33:44 PM] Seoelf: u need a decent budget to play with facebook these days.
    [18/12/2014 1:33:53 PM] REPLACED: Yes I know
    [18/12/2014 1:34:45 PM] REPLACED: what's the lowest you will do including proxies etc?
    [18/12/2014 1:36:49 PM] Seoelf: 75 including proxy.
    [18/12/2014 1:38:28 PM] REPLACED: That's steep.. I will have to think about it
    [18/12/2014 1:38:41 PM] Seoelf: Ok no rush
    [18/12/2014 1:38:46 PM] Seoelf: have a think and let me know sir :)
    [18/12/2014 1:38:47 PM] REPLACED: last 4 accounts I had went down in 3 days
    [18/12/2014 1:38:53 PM] REPLACED: max
    [18/12/2014 1:38:55 PM] REPLACED: length
    [18/12/2014 1:38:55 PM] Seoelf: yeah this is why i charge extra
    [18/12/2014 1:39:01 PM] Seoelf: u get what u pay for
    [18/12/2014 1:39:04 PM] REPLACED: Nothing to do with the accounts..
    [18/12/2014 1:39:11 PM] REPLACED: Had to do with sweeps and type of black hat
    [18/12/2014 1:39:13 PM] Seoelf: well obv it was.
    [18/12/2014 1:39:17 PM] Seoelf: to do with the accs ^^
    [18/12/2014 1:39:25 PM] Seoelf: + i can educate it on funding it
    [18/12/2014 1:39:30 PM] Seoelf: without getting linked.
    [18/12/2014 1:39:39 PM] Seoelf: educate u even.
    [18/12/2014 1:39:42 PM] REPLACED: is there a solution to getting 10+ cards at a time?
    [18/12/2014 1:39:46 PM] Seoelf: yeah
    [18/12/2014 1:39:50 PM] Seoelf: 10 is small
    [18/12/2014 1:39:54 PM] REPLACED: reloadable ones? so I don't need to switch them?
    [18/12/2014 1:39:56 PM] Seoelf: u can fund from 1 acc
    [18/12/2014 1:40:01 PM] Seoelf: of course there reloadable
    [18/12/2014 1:40:07 PM] REPLACED: What's the solution here?
    [18/12/2014 1:40:12 PM] Seoelf: its like ACC then 10 cards generated
    [18/12/2014 1:40:14 PM] Seoelf: same fundng source
    [18/12/2014 1:40:16 PM] Seoelf: diff cards.
    [18/12/2014 1:40:18 PM] Seoelf: ;
    [18/12/2014 1:40:51 PM] REPLACED: And facebook accepts this source?
    [18/12/2014 1:40:59 PM] REPLACED: For now at least?
    [18/12/2014 1:43:46 PM] Seoelf: of course
    [18/12/2014 1:45:40 PM] REPLACED: Interesting..
    [18/12/2014 1:45:57 PM] REPLACED: I thought all VCC's were flagged by FB
    [18/12/2014 1:47:57 PM] Seoelf: no because there freshly generated
    [18/12/2014 1:47:59 PM] Seoelf: from an acc.
    [18/12/2014 1:48:10 PM] Seoelf: well anyway let me know when you would like to do business.
    [18/12/2014 1:48:14 PM] REPLACED: What service is this?
    [18/12/2014 1:48:19 PM] REPLACED: You won't tell me I assume?
    [18/12/2014 1:48:21 PM] Seoelf: its my method
    [18/12/2014 1:48:23 PM] Seoelf: ;
    [18/12/2014 1:48:29 PM] REPLACED: USD or CAD?
    [18/12/2014 1:48:30 PM] REPLACED: cards?
    [18/12/2014 1:48:47 PM] Seoelf: not telling u :D but let me know if u want to do some tests :)
    [18/12/2014 1:49:19 PM] REPLACED: Can I do a small test to start out? like 2 or 3? since I haven't worked with you before?
    [18/12/2014 1:49:25 PM] REPLACED: to gain trust.
    [18/12/2014 1:49:36 PM] REPLACED: I have been taken for a few rides with account guys
    [18/12/2014 1:49:40 PM] REPLACED: in the past year
    [18/12/2014 1:49:55 PM] REPLACED: 400 here 500 there.. gonezo
    [18/12/2014 1:50:08 PM] REPLACED: So very iffy in spending any real money on accounts
    [18/12/2014 1:50:19 PM] Seoelf: i understand but im not in india
    [18/12/2014 1:50:24 PM] Seoelf: were not talking rupee
    [18/12/2014 1:50:26 PM] Seoelf: etc
    [18/12/2014 1:50:28 PM] Seoelf: im from london
    [18/12/2014 1:50:46 PM] REPLACED: yes I get it.. I also have been taken for a ride from a guy in Israel and Turkey.
    [18/12/2014 1:50:48 PM] Seoelf: i like the repeat business
    [18/12/2014 1:50:50 PM] REPLACED: Not just indea
    [18/12/2014 1:50:52 PM] REPLACED: India
    [18/12/2014 1:50:56 PM] Seoelf: u got a mic
    [18/12/2014 1:51:00 PM] REPLACED: yea
    [18/12/2014 1:51:04 PM] REPLACED: u got a video?
    [18/12/2014 1:51:28 PM] Seoelf: not video chatting
    [18/12/2014 1:51:30 PM] REPLACED: I like to do real business
    [18/12/2014 1:51:34 PM] Seoelf: same
    [18/12/2014 1:51:36 PM] REPLACED: and see who I am dealing with
    [18/12/2014 1:51:40 PM] REPLACED: REPLACED
    [18/12/2014 1:51:40 PM] Seoelf: but dr id etc.
    [18/12/2014 1:51:42 PM] REPLACED: that's me
    [18/12/2014 1:51:50 PM] Seoelf: im not gonna just be like here i am
    [18/12/2014 1:51:50 PM] Seoelf: lol
    [18/12/2014 1:52:05 PM] REPLACED: All my shit is legit.. like taxable etc.
    [18/12/2014 1:52:11 PM] *** Call to Seoelf ***
    [18/12/2014 1:52:13 PM] Seoelf: allright
    [18/12/2014 1:55:10 PM] Seoelf: URL /blackhat-seo/members/811545-seoelf
    [18/12/2014 2:09:41 PM] *** Call ended, duration 17:18 ***
    [18/12/2014 2:10:48 PM] REPLACED: Thanks for your time mate!

    Thanks for your time mate!

    [18/12/2014 5:29:20 PM] REPLACED: What's your payment method?
    [18/12/2014 5:29:30 PM] REPLACED: paypal?
    [18/12/2014 5:29:38 PM] REPLACED: they take a good % no?
    [18/12/2014 5:29:48 PM] Seoelf: depends what country etc
    [18/12/2014 5:29:52 PM] Seoelf: uk to uk is free.
    [18/12/2014 5:29:54 PM] REPLACED: I am canada
    [18/12/2014 5:29:57 PM] Seoelf: if u got someone in uk
    [18/12/2014 5:30:00 PM] Seoelf: or somethin
    [18/12/2014 5:30:01 PM] REPLACED: I don't
    [18/12/2014 5:30:04 PM] Seoelf: oh
    [18/12/2014 5:30:08 PM] Seoelf: well u pay the fee i guess.
    [18/12/2014 5:30:12 PM] Seoelf: if we do paypal
    [18/12/2014 5:31:49 PM] REPLACED: what other options are there?
    [18/12/2014 5:32:13 PM] Seoelf: Skrill
    [18/12/2014 5:32:23 PM] Seoelf: western union
    [18/12/2014 5:32:28 PM] Seoelf: full tilt or?
    [18/12/2014 5:32:29 PM] Seoelf: lol
    [18/12/2014 5:32:41 PM] Seoelf: i dont play on stars.
    [18/12/2014 5:32:44 PM] Seoelf: so thats a no no
    [18/12/2014 5:32:52 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [18/12/2014 5:32:57 PM] REPLACED: I told you I don't do poker anymore
    [18/12/2014 5:33:00 PM] REPLACED: i banned myself
    [18/12/2014 5:33:04 PM] Seoelf: ok good.
    [18/12/2014 5:34:16 PM] Seoelf: Well we can do paypal.
    [18/12/2014 5:34:27 PM] Seoelf: If i gotta show u the whole setup etc
    [18/12/2014 5:34:33 PM] Seoelf: i think u should give me $200
    [18/12/2014 5:34:41 PM] Seoelf: and then accs.
    [18/12/2014 5:34:46 PM] Seoelf: but once i show u the setup
    [18/12/2014 5:34:48 PM] Seoelf: u can make own accs
    [18/12/2014 5:34:51 PM] Seoelf: so maybe 500
    [18/12/2014 5:34:54 PM] Seoelf: what do u think lol.
    [18/12/2014 5:34:57 PM] REPLACED: What?
    [18/12/2014 5:35:00 PM] REPLACED: are you drunk bro?
    [18/12/2014 5:35:03 PM] Seoelf: no
    [18/12/2014 5:35:06 PM] REPLACED: Why would i make my own accounts?
    [18/12/2014 5:35:11 PM] Seoelf: i dont know
    [18/12/2014 5:35:16 PM] Seoelf: why not
    [18/12/2014 5:35:28 PM] REPLACED: Cause i just want to advertise
    [18/12/2014 5:35:36 PM] REPLACED: buy accounts that are PVA'd
    [18/12/2014 5:35:48 PM] Seoelf: ok then
    [18/12/2014 5:36:05 PM] Seoelf: what do u propose.
    [18/12/2014 5:37:18 PM] REPLACED: I don't need to know how to verify the #'s.
    [18/12/2014 5:37:30 PM] Seoelf: ok
    [18/12/2014 5:37:40 PM] REPLACED: or maybe i do
    so what i gotta do and how much $
    [18/12/2014 5:37:42 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [18/12/2014 5:37:56 PM] REPLACED: You will show me your entire setup?
    [18/12/2014 5:38:12 PM] Seoelf: yeah
    [18/12/2014 5:38:26 PM] Seoelf: possibly make u the setup
    [18/12/2014 5:38:30 PM] Seoelf: also
    [18/12/2014 5:38:42 PM] REPLACED: Okay like i said i will have to get back to you
    [18/12/2014 5:38:46 PM] REPLACED: Give me a day or tow
    [18/12/2014 5:38:50 PM] REPLACED: *two
    [18/12/2014 5:38:57 PM] Seoelf: Ok
    [19/12/2014 10:45:17 AM] REPLACED: Hey, give me a shout when you are around ..
    [19/12/2014 12:10:54 PM] Seoelf: yo
    [19/12/2014 1:32:37 PM] Seoelf: im around.
    [19/12/2014 4:13:06 PM] REPLACED: yah I am going to do a test with you
    [19/12/2014 4:13:09 PM] REPLACED: a few accounts to start.
    [19/12/2014 4:13:22 PM] REPLACED: If we can setup a time tomorrow to do this that would be great
    [19/12/2014 4:24:05 PM] Seoelf: Ok I will do 3 Accs plus show u setup for 400?
    [19/12/2014 4:26:18 PM] REPLACED: was thinking 4 accounts for 400.

    75 each x 4 + 100 dollars for the setup and Payment processor info.
    [19/12/2014 4:26:44 PM] REPLACED: If it works out and accounts last I will definitely be back for more.
    [19/12/2014 4:27:04 PM] REPLACED: It's a test really the money shouldn't be the end all
    [19/12/2014 4:27:19 PM] Seoelf: Ok fine
    [19/12/2014 4:27:55 PM] Seoelf: Make sure u got a few hours spare to go over all this
    [19/12/2014 4:28:05 PM] Seoelf: U paying now or?
    [19/12/2014 4:28:10 PM] REPLACED: Will pay you tomorrow
    [19/12/2014 4:28:22 PM] REPLACED: I am free at 12pm eastern time
    [19/12/2014 4:28:26 PM] REPLACED: till 4pm
    [19/12/2014 4:28:40 PM] Seoelf: Would u like my PayPal address lol
    [19/12/2014 4:28:48 PM] REPLACED: Give me it tomorrow..
    [19/12/2014 4:28:52 PM] Seoelf: Ok
    [19/12/2014 4:28:55 PM] REPLACED: is it a business address?
    [19/12/2014 4:29:02 PM] Seoelf: Bo
    [19/12/2014 4:29:03 PM] Seoelf: No
    [19/12/2014 4:29:07 PM] REPLACED: okay..
    [19/12/2014 4:29:36 PM] Seoelf: It's my all innnnnn address
    [19/12/2014 4:29:54 PM] REPLACED: last time I sent a payment to someone as a friend / family.. he scammed me.
    [19/12/2014 4:30:07 PM] REPLACED: he said it will remove fees and be cheaper
    [19/12/2014 4:30:16 PM] REPLACED: little did I know I couldn't get a refund that way
    [19/12/2014 4:30:20 PM] REPLACED: Fcker
    [19/12/2014 4:30:20 PM] REPLACED: lool
    [19/12/2014 4:31:27 PM] Seoelf: Lmao
    [19/12/2014 4:31:30 PM] Seoelf: U can
    [19/12/2014 4:31:41 PM] Seoelf: I had it done to me
    [19/12/2014 4:31:53 PM] Seoelf: They can allways get back

    [20/12/2014 12:13:58 PM] REPLACED: what's your email?
    [20/12/2014 12:14:01 PM] REPLACED: for paypal
    [20/12/2014 12:14:02 PM] Seoelf: can u do that on neteller?
    [20/12/2014 12:14:07 PM] REPLACED: No clue
    [20/12/2014 12:14:12 PM] REPLACED: one of them gives visas
    [20/12/2014 12:14:27 PM] REPLACED: just banned myself from netteller for gambling reasons lol a while back
    [20/12/2014 12:14:36 PM] Seoelf: aha i use skrill
    [20/12/2014 12:14:39 PM] Seoelf: u wanna do that?
    [20/12/2014 12:14:48 PM] REPLACED: I can't no money
    [20/12/2014 12:14:50 PM] REPLACED: lets do paypal
    [20/12/2014 12:14:50 PM] Seoelf: ok
    [20/12/2014 12:14:59 PM] Seoelf: EMAIL REPLACED
    [20/12/2014 12:14:59 PM] REPLACED: What's the paypal fees?
    [20/12/2014 12:15:07 PM] Seoelf: i dont know
    [20/12/2014 12:15:16 PM] REPLACED: if i send you 400 is that okay?
    [20/12/2014 12:15:25 PM] REPLACED: or will fees eat into profits
    [20/12/2014 12:15:26 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:15:28 PM] Seoelf: yeah dont send as goods or w/e though
    [20/12/2014 12:15:46 PM] Seoelf: or it might get held.
    [20/12/2014 12:15:48 PM] REPLACED: I have to
    [20/12/2014 12:15:53 PM] Seoelf: what
    [20/12/2014 12:15:53 PM] REPLACED: I am not sending as family
    [20/12/2014 12:15:59 PM] REPLACED: made that mistake last time
    [20/12/2014 12:16:06 PM] REPLACED: got ripped of 400
    [20/12/2014 12:16:09 PM] Seoelf: why? then theres no fee we can write a contract or w/e if u want.
    [20/12/2014 12:16:21 PM] Seoelf: otherwise it might get held etc
    [20/12/2014 12:16:26 PM] REPLACED: can you send me an invoice or whatever?
    [20/12/2014 12:16:37 PM] Seoelf: whats your address
    [20/12/2014 12:16:44 PM] REPLACED: REPLACED
    [20/12/2014 12:16:50 PM] Seoelf: and what shall i put on notes.
    [20/12/2014 12:16:55 PM] Seoelf: 3 hours training ?
    [20/12/2014 12:16:58 PM] Seoelf: and accs or what
    [20/12/2014 12:17:33 PM] REPLACED: Marketing Training, Facebook / PPC. Plus 4 accounts.
    [20/12/2014 12:17:40 PM] REPLACED: Something like that
    [20/12/2014 12:17:43 PM] REPLACED: so it's legit
    [20/12/2014 12:18:28 PM] Seoelf: is REPLACED your real name
    [20/12/2014 12:18:36 PM] REPLACED: REPLACED
    [20/12/2014 12:18:37 PM] REPLACED: my name
    [20/12/2014 12:18:44 PM] REPLACED: Company: REPLACED
    [20/12/2014 12:19:34 PM] Seoelf: Ok check that.
    [20/12/2014 12:20:19 PM] REPLACED: REPLACED
    [20/12/2014 12:20:22 PM] REPLACED: that's your name?'
    [20/12/2014 12:20:26 PM] Seoelf: Yeah
    [20/12/2014 12:20:50 PM] Seoelf: Is there something wrong with my name lol
    [20/12/2014 12:21:01 PM] REPLACED: Description Goods
    [20/12/2014 12:21:20 PM] REPLACED: The invoice doesn't say anything
    [20/12/2014 12:21:24 PM] Seoelf: what
    [20/12/2014 12:21:25 PM] REPLACED: about what i am going
    [20/12/2014 12:21:39 PM] Seoelf: pretty sure the notes are bindng.
    [20/12/2014 12:21:39 PM] REPLACED: From
    Invoice Item Details
    Description Amount
    [20/12/2014 12:21:46 PM] REPLACED: Put it in the description
    [20/12/2014 12:21:52 PM] REPLACED: So it's legit..
    [20/12/2014 12:21:53 PM] Seoelf: i did put a descrpton in
    [20/12/2014 12:22:02 PM] REPLACED: it just says goods
    [20/12/2014 12:22:23 PM] Seoelf: From: REPLACED
    Amount: $400.00 USD
    Status: Pending
    Date Requested: 20 Dec 2014
    Subject: PayPal money request from REPLACED NAME
    Note: Marketing Training, Facebook / PPC. Plus 4 accounts. Contract between REPLACED & REPLACED of REPLACED.
    [20/12/2014 12:22:30 PM] REPLACED: It says NOte
    [20/12/2014 12:22:35 PM] REPLACED: On the actual invoice
    [20/12/2014 12:22:37 PM] REPLACED: it says NOTHING
    [20/12/2014 12:22:42 PM] Seoelf: go check your email
    [20/12/2014 12:22:48 PM] REPLACED: I did
    [20/12/2014 12:22:51 PM] REPLACED: email aint the invoice
    [20/12/2014 12:22:59 PM] REPLACED: invoice is what paypal gives you
    [20/12/2014 12:23:14 PM] REPLACED: Change the description
    [20/12/2014 12:23:17 PM] Seoelf: k wait
    [20/12/2014 12:23:32 PM] REPLACED: Note from merchant isn't the invoice.
    [20/12/2014 12:23:53 PM] Seoelf: wait im doing it
    [20/12/2014 12:23:57 PM] REPLACED: if i claim this as a business expense it looks shady saying Goods.
    [20/12/2014 12:23:58 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:24:16 PM] REPLACED: I keep proper books.. so the CRA doesn't fuck me
    [20/12/2014 12:24:24 PM] REPLACED: If i get audited etc.
    [20/12/2014 12:25:43 PM] Seoelf: ok go check
    [20/12/2014 12:27:15 PM] REPLACED: There you go..
    [20/12/2014 12:27:18 PM] REPLACED: proper invoice lol
    [20/12/2014 12:27:54 PM] REPLACED: Your transaction ID for this payment is: REPLACED
    [20/12/2014 12:27:55 PM] REPLACED: Paid
    [20/12/2014 12:27:56 PM] Seoelf: i am looking forward to being a teacher for 3 hours
    [20/12/2014 12:28:00 PM] Seoelf: k let me look
    [20/12/2014 12:28:07 PM] REPLACED: Might have to cut the lesson short sir.
    [20/12/2014 12:28:09 PM] REPLACED: Cause the accountant
    [20/12/2014 12:28:11 PM] REPLACED: Just saying
    [20/12/2014 12:28:14 PM] Seoelf: if you start asking questions im just gonna go ayaaaaa

    [20/12/2014 12:29:33 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:29:39 PM] REPLACED: Let's hammer this shit out..
    [20/12/2014 12:29:48 PM] Seoelf: i will soon as i see balance in the account lol
    [20/12/2014 12:29:58 PM] REPLACED: You just sent a payment

    Dec 20, 2014 09:27:48 PST
    Transaction ID: REPLACED
    Hello REPLACED,

    Thanks for using PayPal. It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account.
    See your invoice


    Note to REPLACED
    You haven't sent a note.
    Shipping address - confirmed
    Description Unit price Qty Amount
    Marketing Training, Facebook / PPC. $400.00 1 $400.00
    Subtotal $400.00
    Total $400.00 USD

    Payment sent to REPLACED
    Invoice ID 0001
    [20/12/2014 12:30:41 PM] REPLACED: Ahh yah
    [20/12/2014 12:30:45 PM] REPLACED: ah yahhhhhh
    [20/12/2014 12:30:58 PM] Seoelf: i dont work for free
    [20/12/2014 12:31:01 PM] Seoelf: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:31:08 PM] REPLACED: ah yahhhhhhh
    [20/12/2014 12:31:30 PM] REPLACED: want me to send you a screenshot?
    [20/12/2014 12:31:31 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:31:58 PM] Seoelf: pending?
    [20/12/2014 12:32:19 PM] REPLACED: no clue
    [20/12/2014 12:32:22 PM] REPLACED: says it's sent
    [20/12/2014 12:33:00 PM] Seoelf: im refunding
    [20/12/2014 12:33:02 PM] REPLACED: why?
    [20/12/2014 12:33:04 PM] Seoelf: i dont do pending.
    [20/12/2014 12:33:07 PM] REPLACED: I sent it
    [20/12/2014 12:33:15 PM] REPLACED: Must take a minute or two
    [20/12/2014 12:33:17 PM] REPLACED: don't refund it
    [20/12/2014 12:33:32 PM] Seoelf: ok
    [20/12/2014 12:33:36 PM] Seoelf: log in paypal
    [20/12/2014 12:33:41 PM] Seoelf: and mark as received or w/e
    [20/12/2014 12:33:41 PM] REPLACED: I am sending you a screenshot
    [20/12/2014 12:33:44 PM] Seoelf: see if that works
    [20/12/2014 12:33:48 PM] REPLACED: huh?
    [20/12/2014 12:34:15 PM] REPLACED: i sent it
    [20/12/2014 12:34:31 PM] REPLACED: REPLACED (SCREENSHOT)
    [20/12/2014 12:35:08 PM] Seoelf: check again
    [20/12/2014 12:35:20 PM] REPLACED: REPLACED (SCREENSHOT)
    [20/12/2014 12:35:27 PM] REPLACED: Don't get what you are talking about
    [20/12/2014 12:35:29 PM] REPLACED: it's sent
    [20/12/2014 12:35:43 PM] REPLACED: Nothing has changed
    [20/12/2014 12:35:52 PM] REPLACED: money deducted out of my account sir.
    [20/12/2014 12:35:59 PM] Seoelf: wtf
    [20/12/2014 12:36:13 PM] REPLACED: Why did you refund it?
    [20/12/2014 12:36:16 PM] REPLACED: I didn't get anything
    [20/12/2014 12:36:19 PM] REPLACED: salying refund?
    [20/12/2014 12:36:49 PM] REPLACED: Why did you refund it?
    [20/12/2014 12:36:55 PM] Seoelf: because it says pending
    [20/12/2014 12:36:57 PM] REPLACED: I didn't get a refund
    [20/12/2014 12:37:01 PM] REPLACED: You should have waited
    [20/12/2014 12:37:02 PM] Seoelf: u send it as a cheque or what
    [20/12/2014 12:37:04 PM] REPLACED: No
    [20/12/2014 12:37:07 PM] REPLACED: I paid it
    [20/12/2014 12:37:10 PM] REPLACED: they took it out of my account
    [20/12/2014 12:37:11 PM] REPLACED: WTF
    [20/12/2014 12:37:15 PM] Seoelf: lol paypal..
    [20/12/2014 12:37:25 PM] REPLACED: U are impatient
    [20/12/2014 12:37:29 PM] REPLACED: I didn't get a refund
    [20/12/2014 12:38:11 PM] Seoelf: log in paypal and go to payments etc
    [20/12/2014 12:38:15 PM] Seoelf: and mark as received
    [20/12/2014 12:38:31 PM] REPLACED: What ?
    [20/12/2014 12:39:07 PM] REPLACED: didn't get anything
    [20/12/2014 12:39:08 PM] REPLACED: from you
    [20/12/2014 12:39:18 PM] REPLACED: what the hell is going on
    [20/12/2014 12:39:25 PM] Seoelf: its all under pending
    [20/12/2014 12:39:27 PM] Seoelf: what the fuck.
    [20/12/2014 12:39:29 PM] Seoelf: why is it pending
    [20/12/2014 12:39:30 PM] REPLACED: call them
    [20/12/2014 12:39:33 PM] REPLACED: NO clue
    [20/12/2014 12:39:36 PM] REPLACED: you were impatient
    [20/12/2014 12:39:42 PM] REPLACED: They took it out of my account
    [20/12/2014 12:39:59 PM] REPLACED: Call them sir
    [20/12/2014 12:40:09 PM] Seoelf: ok wait
    [20/12/2014 12:40:19 PM] REPLACED: I got refund pending
    [20/12/2014 12:40:23 PM] REPLACED: You should have waiting
    [20/12/2014 12:40:25 PM] REPLACED: Waited
    [20/12/2014 12:40:27 PM] REPLACED: unreal
    [20/12/2014 12:40:35 PM] Seoelf: I didnt want to mess u around lol.
    [20/12/2014 12:40:37 PM] Seoelf: wtf
    [20/12/2014 12:40:48 PM] REPLACED: Mess around?
    [20/12/2014 12:40:51 PM] REPLACED: I sent it
    [20/12/2014 12:40:54 PM] REPLACED: i screenshoted you
    [20/12/2014 12:41:04 PM] Seoelf: i know i mean like i didnt want to mess u around.
    [20/12/2014 12:41:11 PM] Seoelf: so i refunded because it was pending.
    [20/12/2014 12:41:17 PM] REPLACED: Dude you could have waited 20 min
    [20/12/2014 12:41:17 PM] REPLACED: whatever
    [20/12/2014 12:41:23 PM] REPLACED: it's not instalnt
    [20/12/2014 12:41:24 PM] REPLACED: instant
    [20/12/2014 12:41:26 PM] Seoelf: what do u want to do now lol
    [20/12/2014 12:41:30 PM] REPLACED: it's in que and they verify it
    [20/12/2014 12:41:35 PM] REPLACED: You got ADD over there?
    [20/12/2014 12:41:40 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:41:42 PM] Seoelf: no
    [20/12/2014 12:41:45 PM] REPLACED: Well i do
    [20/12/2014 12:41:46 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:41:47 PM] Seoelf: ayaaa
    [20/12/2014 12:41:53 PM] Seoelf: well send as normal payment
    [20/12/2014 12:41:58 PM] Seoelf: u can see its been refunded
    [20/12/2014 12:42:00 PM] REPLACED: No man
    [20/12/2014 12:42:11 PM] REPLACED: I pay via invoice
    [20/12/2014 12:42:15 PM] REPLACED: So it's legit business expense
    [20/12/2014 12:42:21 PM] REPLACED: Call them
    [20/12/2014 12:42:42 PM] REPLACED: anyone that does differently will get scammed
    [20/12/2014 12:42:47 PM] REPLACED: I have learned that before
    [20/12/2014 12:43:01 PM] Seoelf: ok im calling them wait
    [20/12/2014 12:43:04 PM] REPLACED: Why is the order status pending?
    If the order status is " Pending ", your order has been received by the seller, but your payment has not yet been processed.
    [20/12/2014 12:43:13 PM] REPLACED: Takes time to process it
    [20/12/2014 12:43:51 PM] Seoelf: k brb im gonna get off comp while i call give me 10 min
    [20/12/2014 12:44:03 PM] REPLACED: why?
    [20/12/2014 12:44:07 PM] REPLACED: do you need to be off comp?
    [20/12/2014 12:44:09 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:44:26 PM] REPLACED: We start to process your refund as soon as the seller sends the refund to you. A pending refund usually means the seller is sending the payment directly from their bank account - depending on the banks involved, it can take up to 7 business days for a refund to be deposited to your PayPal account.
    [20/12/2014 12:44:35 PM] REPLACED: wtf

    It may take 5-7 business days to receive the refund in your PayPal account.
    [20/12/2014 12:48:43 PM] REPLACED: Who told oyu to refund me?
    [20/12/2014 12:48:45 PM] Seoelf: No it fucking wont
    [20/12/2014 12:48:50 PM] Seoelf: I'm on phone
    [20/12/2014 12:48:56 PM] REPLACED: lol no need to swear sir.
    [20/12/2014 12:49:10 PM] REPLACED: be cool calm and collect during situations like this.
    [20/12/2014 12:49:51 PM] Seoelf: Lol this woman sounds got
    [20/12/2014 12:49:52 PM] Seoelf: Hot
    [20/12/2014 12:52:00 PM] REPLACED: My girl sounds hot too
    [20/12/2014 12:52:04 PM] REPLACED: Girl from Nebraska
    [20/12/2014 12:52:07 PM] REPLACED: I am talking with them as well
    [20/12/2014 12:52:15 PM] REPLACED: asked them why it said pending
    [20/12/2014 12:52:54 PM] REPLACED: REPLACED
    [20/12/2014 12:52:58 PM] REPLACED: That's my girl
    [20/12/2014 12:52:59 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 12:53:06 PM] REPLACED: Or some fat chick hahah who knows
    [20/12/2014 12:54:58 PM] Seoelf: allright spoke to her
    [20/12/2014 12:55:14 PM] Seoelf: gotta wait between 5 - 7 days
    [20/12/2014 12:55:19 PM] Seoelf: so what can we do
    [20/12/2014 12:56:57 PM] REPLACED: it was pending because it had to do with your account.
    [20/12/2014 12:57:00 PM] REPLACED: Nothing to do with mine
    [20/12/2014 12:57:10 PM] REPLACED: I told you to call them before.
    [20/12/2014 12:57:17 PM] Seoelf: i should have but still.
    [20/12/2014 12:57:19 PM] REPLACED: I was told not to send you any money until I get a refund
    [20/12/2014 12:57:24 PM] Seoelf: thats being refunded to u and i cant stop it (worry)
    [20/12/2014 12:57:25 PM] REPLACED: That's paypal policy
    [20/12/2014 12:57:39 PM] REPLACED: You don't have enough money in your account for the refund to go through
    [20/12/2014 12:57:39 PM] Seoelf: and its going to come out of my bank..
    [20/12/2014 12:57:49 PM] REPLACED: Geez.
    [20/12/2014 12:57:54 PM] Seoelf: its never easy lol
    [20/12/2014 12:57:57 PM] REPLACED: It is
    [20/12/2014 12:58:00 PM] REPLACED: you just couldn't wait
    [20/12/2014 12:58:03 PM] REPLACED: or didn't want to call them
    [20/12/2014 12:58:04 PM] Seoelf: u can see the refund is going through lol.
    [20/12/2014 12:58:08 PM] REPLACED: to ask what's wrong with your account
    [20/12/2014 12:58:22 PM] REPLACED: I was told by paypal not to send any more money until this is refunded
    [20/12/2014 12:58:36 PM] REPLACED: You screwed up not me sir.
    [20/12/2014 12:59:11 PM] Seoelf: ok well your getting a refund.
    [20/12/2014 12:59:17 PM] Seoelf: i dont know what else to say
    [20/12/2014 12:59:18 PM] REPLACED: 5-7 days
    [20/12/2014 12:59:24 PM] REPLACED: Until then i am out 400 bucks
    [20/12/2014 12:59:25 PM] Seoelf: i guess we just have to do it in a week
    [20/12/2014 12:59:35 PM] REPLACED: Dude I am out 400 bucks
    [20/12/2014 12:59:42 PM] Seoelf: for 7 days>
    [20/12/2014 12:59:47 PM] REPLACED: yes
    [20/12/2014 12:59:49 PM] Seoelf: im out it cost me more to refund
    [20/12/2014 12:59:59 PM] Seoelf: currency exchange rate etc
    [20/12/2014 1:00:00 PM] REPLACED: You fucked up not me
    [20/12/2014 1:00:06 PM] REPLACED: I told you to wait
    [20/12/2014 1:00:13 PM] Seoelf: ok im sorry what can we do.
    [20/12/2014 1:00:13 PM] REPLACED: And call paypal
    [20/12/2014 1:00:18 PM] Seoelf: i called them
    [20/12/2014 1:00:25 PM] Seoelf: they said its coming from your bank
    [20/12/2014 1:00:32 PM] REPLACED: You can carry on.. and redo the invoice after i get a refund
    [20/12/2014 1:00:33 PM] Seoelf: im like ok can we fix?
    [20/12/2014 1:00:41 PM] Seoelf: and there like u gotta wait it out.
    [20/12/2014 1:00:52 PM] REPLACED: I am out 400 bucks here.
    [20/12/2014 1:00:55 PM] Seoelf: ok well message me when u get refunded.
    [20/12/2014 1:00:57 PM] REPLACED: So in good faith you can carry on
    [20/12/2014 1:01:08 PM] Seoelf: what if i give u everything
    [20/12/2014 1:01:12 PM] Seoelf: then u get your refund
    [20/12/2014 1:01:12 PM] Seoelf: lol.
    [20/12/2014 1:01:25 PM] REPLACED: Yeah then i will send you the money
    [20/12/2014 1:01:28 PM] REPLACED: I don't see the problem
    [20/12/2014 1:01:33 PM] REPLACED: You shouldn't make a client wait.
    [20/12/2014 1:01:38 PM] REPLACED: it's a business transaction
    [20/12/2014 1:01:51 PM] REPLACED: No one asked you to stop payment
    [20/12/2014 1:01:53 PM] REPLACED: and refund money
    [20/12/2014 1:01:57 PM] REPLACED: U acted too fast
    [20/12/2014 1:02:05 PM] REPLACED: now you want me to suffer?
    [20/12/2014 1:02:21 PM] Seoelf: u insisted on refund
    [20/12/2014 1:02:25 PM] REPLACED: NO i didn't
    [20/12/2014 1:02:28 PM] Seoelf: on invoice
    [20/12/2014 1:02:30 PM] Seoelf: even..
    [20/12/2014 1:02:31 PM] REPLACED: Where did i say this?
    [20/12/2014 1:02:36 PM] Seoelf: invoice.
    [20/12/2014 1:02:37 PM] REPLACED: I never asked for a refund
    [20/12/2014 1:02:38 PM] REPLACED: bro
    [20/12/2014 1:02:41 PM] Seoelf: invoice.
    [20/12/2014 1:02:52 PM] REPLACED: Yes i asked for an invoice
    [20/12/2014 1:02:57 PM] REPLACED: that's proper business
    [20/12/2014 1:03:00 PM] REPLACED: I didn't ask for a refund
    [20/12/2014 1:03:11 PM] Seoelf: i know thats what i said
    [20/12/2014 1:03:16 PM] Seoelf: i corrected myself.
    [20/12/2014 1:03:17 PM] REPLACED: everyone needs an invoice
    [20/12/2014 1:03:20 PM] REPLACED: you don't just shoot someone money
    [20/12/2014 1:03:24 PM] REPLACED: I made that mistake
    [20/12/2014 1:03:25 PM] REPLACED: before
    [20/12/2014 1:03:37 PM] REPLACED: What can we do to speed this up?
    [20/12/2014 1:04:00 PM] REPLACED: Why would you send the money whne you don't have the funds to send me?
    [20/12/2014 1:04:09 PM] REPLACED: my funds were pending .. you had zero in the account.
    [20/12/2014 1:04:15 PM] Seoelf: cos i withdrew
    [20/12/2014 1:04:23 PM] REPLACED: Withdrew what?
    [20/12/2014 1:04:33 PM] REPLACED: why would you send a refund when you didn't get my $
    [20/12/2014 1:04:38 PM] REPLACED: it was pending
    [20/12/2014 1:04:54 PM] Seoelf: i thought it would take it out of pending
    [20/12/2014 1:04:59 PM] Seoelf: wait let me call them again
    [20/12/2014 1:05:01 PM] Seoelf: i have a idea.
    [20/12/2014 1:05:02 PM] REPLACED: Pending isn't in your account
    [20/12/2014 1:05:11 PM] REPLACED: They won't do anything man
    [20/12/2014 1:05:11 PM] Seoelf: im gonna try some shit
    [20/12/2014 1:05:18 PM] Seoelf: brb in 10 dont doubt me
    [20/12/2014 1:05:22 PM] Seoelf: lol brb
    [20/12/2014 1:05:24 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 1:05:45 PM] REPLACED: tell thjem it dodm
    [20/12/2014 1:05:50 PM] REPLACED: tell them it didn't reach your account
    [20/12/2014 1:05:51 PM] REPLACED: was pending
    [20/12/2014 1:09:59 PM] REPLACED: They said you can't refund a payment if you didn't ACCEPT IT. OR GET IT!
    You can't refund a pending payment
    [20/12/2014 1:10:21 PM] REPLACED: You can't refund it unless it's accepted
    [20/12/2014 1:10:26 PM] Seoelf: Relax I got this
    [20/12/2014 1:10:50 PM] REPLACED: You cannot refund a pending payment.
    [20/12/2014 1:10:58 PM] Seoelf: Oh
    [20/12/2014 1:11:03 PM] REPLACED: so you must have gotten it
    [20/12/2014 1:11:12 PM] Seoelf: Well it's being refunded from my bank
    [20/12/2014 1:11:20 PM] Seoelf: U saw the screenshots
    [20/12/2014 1:11:23 PM] Seoelf: Lol
    [20/12/2014 1:11:26 PM] REPLACED: You got it why did you refund it?
    [20/12/2014 1:11:33 PM] REPLACED: They aren't lying
    [20/12/2014 1:11:39 PM] Seoelf: Cos it said pending
    [20/12/2014 1:11:50 PM] REPLACED: It can't say pending for you to send me a refund
    [20/12/2014 1:11:51 PM] Seoelf: It's cool I got this wait damn u
    [20/12/2014 1:12:41 PM] REPLACED: They won't release money or a refund unless it's accepted.
    [20/12/2014 1:12:53 PM] REPLACED: Just saying.
    [20/12/2014 1:18:49 PM] Seoelf: Motherfuckers lol
    [20/12/2014 1:18:57 PM] Seoelf: I gotta wait
    [20/12/2014 1:19:43 PM] REPLACED: You should carry through with your word sir
    [20/12/2014 1:20:16 PM] REPLACED: Why didn't you have enough money in your account to send me the refund back?
    [20/12/2014 1:20:21 PM] REPLACED: It's clear there are fees etc.
    [20/12/2014 1:20:58 PM] REPLACED: You got the payment.. They won't let you refund a payment unless it's accepted.
    [20/12/2014 1:21:02 PM] Seoelf: I'll teach u once this is refunded
    [20/12/2014 1:21:18 PM] REPLACED: I can't wait 7 days.
    [20/12/2014 1:21:22 PM] Seoelf: I'm out of pocket cos of this
    [20/12/2014 1:21:25 PM] REPLACED: I need to get going with accounts etc
    [20/12/2014 1:21:39 PM] Seoelf: I might give u an acc
    [20/12/2014 1:21:51 PM] Seoelf: As a sign of good faith
    [20/12/2014 1:22:01 PM] REPLACED: this sounds fishy that's all
    [20/12/2014 1:22:14 PM] REPLACED: You can imagine what i am thinking now
    [20/12/2014 1:22:15 PM] Seoelf: Maybe we should settle this at the tables
    [20/12/2014 1:22:28 PM] Seoelf: U saw the refund screenshots
    [20/12/2014 1:22:36 PM] REPLACED: Dude you can't refund someones money without it being processed and accepted.
    [20/12/2014 1:22:43 PM] Seoelf: U want me to show u again? Yes u can
    [20/12/2014 1:22:49 PM] Seoelf: They take it from bsbk
    [20/12/2014 1:22:51 PM] REPLACED: They said you can't
    [20/12/2014 1:22:54 PM] Seoelf: Bank
    [20/12/2014 1:23:06 PM] Seoelf: I'll show u the pic in detail wait
    [20/12/2014 1:23:10 PM] REPLACED: Why didn't you wait until it's processed?
    [20/12/2014 1:23:12 PM] REPLACED: i don't get it
    [20/12/2014 1:23:13 PM] REPLACED: Or call them
    [20/12/2014 1:23:32 PM] REPLACED: what's a solution here
    [20/12/2014 1:25:27 PM] REPLACED: You there
    [20/12/2014 1:25:53 PM] Seoelf: im here
    [20/12/2014 1:25:55 PM] Seoelf: wait
    [20/12/2014 1:25:56 PM] REPLACED: As part of good faith let's carry on..
    [20/12/2014 1:25:57 PM] Seoelf: logging in pp
    [20/12/2014 1:26:07 PM] REPLACED: I am trusted in the community man
    [20/12/2014 1:26:21 PM] Seoelf: so am i look at my friends list lol.
    [20/12/2014 1:26:30 PM] REPLACED: BHW is filled with scum bags
    [20/12/2014 1:26:36 PM] REPLACED: and indian scam artists
    [20/12/2014 1:26:45 PM] Seoelf: im not indian
    [20/12/2014 1:26:49 PM] Seoelf: and i do good business.
    [20/12/2014 1:26:56 PM] REPLACED: I realize that
    [20/12/2014 1:26:58 PM] Seoelf: we will sort this but wait im going to look in paypal
    [20/12/2014 1:26:59 PM] REPLACED: There has to be a solution
    [20/12/2014 1:27:03 PM] REPLACED: until i get the refund

    [20/12/2014 1:29:17 PM] REPLACED: It's not hard..
    [20/12/2014 1:29:26 PM] REPLACED: Something was wrong with your paypal account
    [20/12/2014 1:29:33 PM] REPLACED: for it not to process the payment
    [20/12/2014 1:29:46 PM] REPLACED: nothing to do with me on my end
    [20/12/2014 1:30:09 PM] REPLACED: can't you get someone to fund your account?
    [20/12/2014 1:30:20 PM] REPLACED: ie send you money..
    [20/12/2014 1:30:30 PM] REPLACED: then it will be enough to process the refund
    [20/12/2014 1:30:42 PM] REPLACED: and you can call them up .. and as them to instantly do it
    [20/12/2014 1:31:06 PM] REPLACED: isn't that all it takes?
    [20/12/2014 1:32:12 PM] Seoelf: i asked that
    [20/12/2014 1:32:18 PM] Seoelf: i sad if i load my acc now
    [20/12/2014 1:32:21 PM] Seoelf: can that do it
    [20/12/2014 1:32:25 PM] Seoelf: and they said its coming from bank now.
    [20/12/2014 1:32:33 PM] Seoelf: u must be unlucky as fuck
    [20/12/2014 1:32:35 PM] REPLACED: This is fcked
    [20/12/2014 1:32:43 PM] Seoelf: bet if i come to ca
    [20/12/2014 1:32:45 PM] Seoelf: and we go casino
    [20/12/2014 1:33:00 PM] Seoelf: u one of those guys that bets every number roullete
    [20/12/2014 1:33:03 PM] Seoelf: bar zero
    [20/12/2014 1:33:05 PM] Seoelf: and zero lands
    [20/12/2014 1:33:53 PM] REPLACED: lol
    [20/12/2014 1:34:03 PM] REPLACED: Can you give me 2 accounts or what?
    [20/12/2014 1:34:16 PM] REPLACED: until this mess is resolved
    [20/12/2014 1:34:19 PM] Seoelf: i said i will thnk about 1
    [20/12/2014 1:34:25 PM] Seoelf: wait im looking in paypal again
    [20/12/2014 1:35:13 PM] REPLACED: ookay
    [20/12/2014 1:35:14 PM] REPLACED: okay
    [20/12/2014 1:36:04 PM] REPLACED: Time is money.. we want to start advertising
    [20/12/2014 1:37:12 PM] Seoelf: yeah this is why im going to teach u about accs etc for now
    [20/12/2014 1:37:22 PM] Seoelf: if u get refunded im -
    [20/12/2014 1:37:29 PM] Seoelf: i will be shouting ay fucking yahhhhhh
    [20/12/2014 1:37:38 PM] REPLACED: I will get refunded
    [20/12/2014 1:37:41 PM] Seoelf: if u dont send again
    [20/12/2014 1:37:42 PM] REPLACED: Then I will send you the money
    [20/12/2014 1:37:43 PM] Seoelf: after refund
    [20/12/2014 1:37:48 PM] Seoelf: ok ok
    [20/12/2014 1:37:50 PM] REPLACED: Why can't you trust me?
    [20/12/2014 1:37:51 PM] Seoelf: how much time u got
    [20/12/2014 1:37:52 PM] Seoelf: i do
    [20/12/2014 1:37:53 PM] Seoelf: ?
    [20/12/2014 1:37:57 PM] Seoelf: i just dont trust paypal shit
    [20/12/2014 1:38:03 PM] Seoelf: when stuff like this happens.
    [20/12/2014 1:38:06 PM] REPLACED: Dude have a normal account
    [20/12/2014 1:38:11 PM] Seoelf: my acc is normal
    [20/12/2014 1:38:12 PM] REPLACED: My account is business verified
    [20/12/2014 1:38:17 PM] Seoelf: im not a business
    [20/12/2014 1:38:18 PM] REPLACED: have money in it
    [20/12/2014 1:38:21 PM] Seoelf: im a 1 man band
    [20/12/2014 1:38:23 PM] Seoelf: god damn it.
    [20/12/2014 1:38:34 PM] REPLACED: Make sure you have more than enough funds when you send a refund
    [20/12/2014 1:38:36 PM] REPLACED: It's that simple
    [20/12/2014 1:38:40 PM] Seoelf: well i know now
    [20/12/2014 1:38:42 PM] Seoelf: sir

    [24/12/2014 9:03:12 AM] *** REPLACED would like to add you on Skype

    Hi Seoelf, I'd like to add you as a contact. ***
    [24/12/2014 9:03:24 AM] REPLACED: What's up? why did you take me off your list?
    [24/12/2014 4:17:29 PM] REPLACED: Not sure why you deleted me.
    [24/12/2014 4:17:37 PM] *** REPLACED would like to add you on Skype

    Not sure why you deleted me. ***
    [26/12/2014 10:46:50 AM] REPLACED: Hey, You around?
    [26/12/2014 8:49:13 PM] REPLACED: What up?
    [28/12/2014 8:04:38 PM] Seoelf: ahem
    [28/12/2014 8:04:44 PM] Seoelf: how the fuck is that refund still pending lol.
    [28/12/2014 8:04:57 PM] REPLACED: why did you delete me ...
    [28/12/2014 8:05:01 PM] REPLACED: Curious mate.
    [28/12/2014 8:05:12 PM] Seoelf: cos refund is taking its sweet time.
    [28/12/2014 8:05:19 PM] Seoelf: and it was xmas.
    [28/12/2014 8:05:25 PM] Seoelf: so i had to go for a few days etc
    [28/12/2014 8:05:26 PM] REPLACED: I see
    [28/12/2014 8:05:31 PM] REPLACED: you didn't have to delete me
    [28/12/2014 8:05:33 PM] REPLACED: you could have just told me
    [28/12/2014 8:05:36 PM] Seoelf: i came back lol
    [28/12/2014 8:05:47 PM] REPLACED: Yah still in refund mode
    [28/12/2014 8:05:55 PM] Seoelf: ok.
    [28/12/2014 8:05:57 PM] REPLACED: I decided to buy VPS's
    [28/12/2014 8:05:59 PM] REPLACED: instead of a server
    [28/12/2014 8:06:02 PM] Seoelf: ok
    [28/12/2014 8:06:17 PM] REPLACED: 7 bucks a VPS.
    Then put proxy on it
    [28/12/2014 8:06:28 PM] Seoelf: dang thats cheap.
    [28/12/2014 8:06:40 PM] REPLACED: I still need access to payment source
    [28/12/2014 8:06:44 PM] REPLACED: and some accounts
    [28/12/2014 8:07:25 PM] Seoelf: i know.
    [28/12/2014 8:07:30 PM] Seoelf: how about some $ then
    [28/12/2014 8:07:31 PM] Seoelf: lol.
    [28/12/2014 8:07:37 PM] REPLACED: You have my money
    [28/12/2014 8:07:38 PM] Seoelf: u can see its refunding u >.>
    [28/12/2014 8:07:40 PM] REPLACED: it's tied up
    [28/12/2014 8:07:54 PM] REPLACED: I can't send you money if it's not in my account
    [28/12/2014 8:08:12 PM] REPLACED: payment source is key for me.. and accounts as well
    [28/12/2014 8:08:30 PM] REPLACED: I guess we have to wait for the refund.
    [28/12/2014 8:08:35 PM] REPLACED: What is the solution after the refund?
    [28/12/2014 8:08:41 PM] REPLACED: one I get the money?
    [28/12/2014 8:08:41 PM] Seoelf: once u get refund
    [28/12/2014 8:08:45 PM] Seoelf: send again
    [28/12/2014 8:08:46 PM] Seoelf: lol
    [28/12/2014 8:08:49 PM] Seoelf: then i give it.
    [28/12/2014 8:09:01 PM] REPLACED: Your account if fucked though
    [28/12/2014 8:09:07 PM] REPLACED: I am not sending you money if it's going to be pending
    [28/12/2014 8:09:14 PM] REPLACED: You gotta get your account in order
    [28/12/2014 8:09:21 PM] Seoelf: it is
    [28/12/2014 8:09:22 PM] REPLACED: Did you find out why your account was fucked?
    [28/12/2014 8:09:44 PM] REPLACED: I am not going through this ordeal again
    [28/12/2014 8:09:49 PM] REPLACED: I need to get a move on.
    [28/12/2014 8:09:51 PM] REPLACED: this is a set back
    [28/12/2014 8:11:55 PM] Seoelf: i know.
    [28/12/2014 8:11:59 PM] Seoelf: im pist 2.
    [28/12/2014 8:12:10 PM] REPLACED: Did you ask them why it was pending?
    [28/12/2014 8:12:14 PM] REPLACED: what was the issue with your account?
    [28/12/2014 8:13:14 PM] REPLACED: Let's wait for the refund to process..
    [28/12/2014 8:13:26 PM] REPLACED: in the mean time figure out how to fix your account
    [28/12/2014 8:13:31 PM] REPLACED: so I can send you the money again
    [28/12/2014 8:13:37 PM] Seoelf: Allright
    [28/12/2014 8:14:16 PM] REPLACED: i wanna start running campaigns in the new year
    [28/12/2014 8:30:54 PM] REPLACED: i will be in touch when i get the refund.
    [28/12/2014 8:31:01 PM] REPLACED: Hope you had a good xmas man
    [28/12/2014 8:31:08 PM] Seoelf: u 2 bro.
    [28/12/2014 8:31:10 PM] Seoelf: talk soon.
    [29/12/2014 8:22:06 AM] REPLACED: Hey
    [29/12/2014 8:22:13 AM] REPLACED: According to Paypal you removed the refund?
    [29/12/2014 8:22:32 AM] Seoelf: huh
    [29/12/2014 8:22:35 AM] Seoelf: let me login
    [29/12/2014 8:22:37 AM] REPLACED: Status:
    [29/12/2014 8:22:46 AM] REPLACED: So you have it in the account
    [29/12/2014 8:25:50 AM] REPLACED: What?
    [29/12/2014 8:26:19 AM] Seoelf: it says refunded.
    [29/12/2014 8:26:29 AM] REPLACED: No man
    [29/12/2014 8:26:33 AM] REPLACED: It says status removed
    [29/12/2014 8:26:43 AM] Seoelf: not on mine it doesnt.
    [29/12/2014 8:26:55 AM] REPLACED: REPLACED:
    [29/12/2014 8:27:06 AM] Seoelf: send pic
    [29/12/2014 8:27:18 AM] REPLACED: See screenshot
    [29/12/2014 8:28:09 AM] REPLACED: I aslso got an email
    [29/12/2014 8:28:29 AM] REPLACED: REPLACED:
    [29/12/2014 8:28:40 AM] Seoelf: im looking through it now.
    [29/12/2014 8:28:47 AM] Seoelf: and on mine.
    [29/12/2014 8:29:13 AM] REPLACED: The refund didn't clear from your bank
    [29/12/2014 8:29:35 AM] REPLACED: Money wasn't taken out of your bank
    [29/12/2014 8:29:52 AM] Seoelf: im looking hold up.
    [29/12/2014 8:36:48 AM] REPLACED: Payment did not clear. I didn't get refunded.
    You have the money. You haven't refunded it.
    Money didn't come from the bak. You sent me that screenshot from 20th Dec.
    [29/12/2014 8:37:33 AM] Seoelf: what the fuck hold on
    [29/12/2014 8:40:31 AM] REPLACED: Dude
    [29/12/2014 8:40:37 AM] REPLACED: you are sending me Dec 20tyh
    [29/12/2014 8:40:42 AM] REPLACED: Screenshot
    [29/12/2014 8:40:55 AM] REPLACED: You aren't showing me the real stuff
    [29/12/2014 8:41:10 AM] REPLACED: You saw what I showed you
    [29/12/2014 8:41:12 AM] Seoelf: are u stupid im showing skype in front of it
    [29/12/2014 8:41:22 AM] REPLACED: look at your date
    [29/12/2014 8:41:23 AM] REPLACED: Dec 20th
    [29/12/2014 8:41:35 AM] REPLACED: I spoke with paypal
    [29/12/2014 8:41:39 AM] REPLACED: Your funds didn't clean
    [29/12/2014 8:41:41 AM] REPLACED: Clear
    [29/12/2014 8:41:49 AM] REPLACED: So the payment went through
    [29/12/2014 8:42:08 AM] REPLACED: You had insufficient funds in your bank
    [29/12/2014 8:42:12 AM] REPLACED: and it didn't clear
    [29/12/2014 8:42:30 AM] REPLACED: Are you going to send me the 4 accounts / Show me everything as discussed or what?
    [29/12/2014 8:42:49 AM] REPLACED: I am not waisting anymore time here
    [29/12/2014 8:43:00 AM] Seoelf: why the fuck is it still pending for me then.
    [29/12/2014 8:43:03 AM] Seoelf: i dont get it.
    [29/12/2014 8:43:04 AM] REPLACED: Call paypal
    [29/12/2014 8:43:16 AM] REPLACED: They said your money was not takin from your account
    [29/12/2014 8:43:17 AM] Seoelf: like it said refunded
    [29/12/2014 8:43:19 AM] REPLACED: DUDE
    [29/12/2014 8:43:21 AM] Seoelf: and pending balance on my acc
    [29/12/2014 8:43:24 AM] Seoelf: lol
    [29/12/2014 8:43:24 AM] REPLACED: call paypal
    [29/12/2014 8:43:26 AM] Seoelf: its fucked up.
    [29/12/2014 8:43:28 AM] REPLACED: It's not
    [29/12/2014 8:43:45 AM] REPLACED: The said your funds haven't been taken from your account. Dude to insufficient funds.
    [29/12/2014 8:43:53 AM] REPLACED: You have the money on your account.
    [29/12/2014 8:44:13 AM] REPLACED: I have showed you from my end ...
    [29/12/2014 8:44:20 AM] Seoelf: i showed u it
    [29/12/2014 8:44:31 AM] REPLACED: Now are you going to give me the 4 accounts or what? and show me payment processing or what?
    [29/12/2014 8:44:56 AM] REPLACED: This has dragged on long enough
    [29/12/2014 8:45:19 AM] REPLACED: I was patient during the initial refund crap from Paypal.
    [29/12/2014 8:45:44 AM] Seoelf: i have been patient.
    [29/12/2014 8:45:45 AM] REPLACED: Paypal confirmed on the Phone you have stopped the payment. They looked at your account.
    [29/12/2014 8:45:59 AM] REPLACED: as your money form your bank failoed
    [29/12/2014 8:46:00 AM] Seoelf: im sure they looked at my acc
    [29/12/2014 8:46:08 AM] Seoelf: and disclosed that info to u.
    [29/12/2014 8:46:08 AM] REPLACED: Call them up if you don't believe me
    [29/12/2014 8:46:11 AM] REPLACED: They did
    [29/12/2014 8:46:17 AM] REPLACED: Over the phone
    [29/12/2014 8:46:41 AM] REPLACED: Are you going to be fair and send me the accounts or not?
    [29/12/2014 8:47:06 AM] REPLACED: REPLACED: REPLACED:

    [29/12/2014 8:47:35 AM] REPLACED: plus paypal confirmed vai the phones that funds weren't cleared from your bank and refund was removed.
    [29/12/2014 8:47:56 AM] Seoelf: well it says refunded on mine
    [29/12/2014 8:48:02 AM] REPLACED: Money wasn't taken from your account
    [29/12/2014 8:48:04 AM] REPLACED: Your bank
    [29/12/2014 8:48:10 AM] REPLACED: Call them please
    [29/12/2014 8:48:11 AM] REPLACED: Paypal
    [29/12/2014 8:48:31 AM] Seoelf: ok fuck it i will
    [29/12/2014 8:48:34 AM] Seoelf: i will call them.
    [29/12/2014 8:49:56 AM] REPLACED: You must have gotten the emails saying money wasn't taken from your account and the refund was REMOVED.
    [29/12/2014 8:53:40 AM] REPLACED: I want to resolve this. ASAP
    [29/12/2014 8:53:50 AM] Seoelf: as do i.
    [29/12/2014 8:53:54 AM] Seoelf: this is a joke now.
    [29/12/2014 8:54:08 AM] REPLACED: Did you call them?
    [29/12/2014 8:54:16 AM] Seoelf: About to.
    [29/12/2014 8:55:32 AM] REPLACED: From my end - I got 2 notifications saying the refund been removed.
    An email, and it shows on paypal account.
    I have shown you screenshots.

    So since you have the money you should live up to your end of the bargain and proceed with transactions and training
    [29/12/2014 9:07:38 AM] REPLACED: Hello?
    [29/12/2014 9:08:25 AM] Seoelf: im on the phone.
    [29/12/2014 9:08:42 AM] REPLACED: okay
    [29/12/2014 9:09:05 AM | Removed 9:10:24 AM] REPLACED: This message has been removed.
    [29/12/2014 9:26:07 AM] REPLACED: Well? what are they saying?
    [29/12/2014 9:26:34 AM] Seoelf: there looking into it.
    [29/12/2014 9:26:39 AM] REPLACED: What does that mean?
    [29/12/2014 9:26:48 AM] REPLACED: still on the phone?
    [29/12/2014 9:30:48 AM] REPLACED: Are you still on the phone with them?
    [29/12/2014 9:32:32 AM] REPLACED: How long will it take for them to look into it?
    [29/12/2014 9:36:53 AM] Seoelf: k i dont know what has happened here but this is 2 fucked up.
    [29/12/2014 9:36:54 AM] Seoelf: lol
    [29/12/2014 9:36:58 AM] REPLACED: Dude
    [29/12/2014 9:36:59 AM] Seoelf: its pending...

    Please giv eme the accounts
    [29/12/2014 9:37:06 AM] REPLACED: as discussed
    [29/12/2014 9:37:16 AM] REPLACED: I am not dealing with this any more
    [29/12/2014 9:37:36 AM] REPLACED: Are you going to transfer me accounts and give me training like discussed
    [29/12/2014 9:37:52 AM] REPLACED: From my end payment is sent and you stopped refund.
    [29/12/2014 9:37:57 AM] REPLACED: So everything is good to go
    [29/12/2014 9:38:02 AM] REPLACED: You have the money in your account.
    [29/12/2014 9:38:18 AM] REPLACED: Stop leading me on here.
    [29/12/2014 9:38:27 AM] REPLACED: I got the info from paypal that the refund is stopped
    [29/12/2014 9:38:32 AM] REPLACED: At this point I am out 400 bucks
    [29/12/2014 9:38:48 AM] REPLACED: Paypal doesn't act this unprofessional
    [29/12/2014 9:38:57 AM] Seoelf: paypal wouldnt of told u that wtf.
    [29/12/2014 9:39:03 AM] REPLACED: Yes they did
    [29/12/2014 9:39:08 AM] REPLACED: I showed you screenshots
    [29/12/2014 9:39:39 AM] REPLACED: are you going to live up to your end of the transaction or what?
    [29/12/2014 9:41:24 AM] REPLACED: Paypal said on the phone they looked into your account and the money Didn't come through via your bank. You had insufficient funds.
    [29/12/2014 9:41:47 AM] REPLACED: Be a man and keep your end of the deal.
    [29/12/2014 9:42:12 AM] Seoelf: ok fuck it just to resolve this shit.
    [29/12/2014 9:42:18 AM] Seoelf: ill do the training etc tommorow
    [29/12/2014 9:42:24 AM] REPLACED: What do you mean?
    [29/12/2014 9:42:33 AM] REPLACED: how did you just resolve this?
    [29/12/2014 9:42:34 AM] Seoelf: even if i dont get the money
    [29/12/2014 9:42:39 AM] Seoelf: ill just fucking teach
    [29/12/2014 9:42:39 AM] REPLACED: Dude you have the money..
    [29/12/2014 9:42:45 AM] REPLACED: I need the accounts
    [29/12/2014 9:42:46 AM] Seoelf: its pending mother fucker
    [29/12/2014 9:42:48 AM] Seoelf: how many times.
    [29/12/2014 9:42:55 AM] REPLACED: Are you going to give me the accounts?
    [29/12/2014 9:43:13 AM] Seoelf: u just need accounts and funding source?
    [29/12/2014 9:43:52 AM] REPLACED: Accounts,+ funding souce + you promising me how to set this all up.
    [29/12/2014 9:44:33 AM] Seoelf: k can we do it tommorow?
    [29/12/2014 9:44:38 AM] REPLACED: Can we do it today?
    [29/12/2014 9:45:11 AM] REPLACED: It isn't pending.. paypal said it's completed. you stopped the refund bc bank didn't send me the money.
    [29/12/2014 9:45:26 AM] REPLACED: Why can't we do this today?
    [29/12/2014 9:45:35 AM] Seoelf: because i got the flu
    [29/12/2014 9:45:47 AM] REPLACED: flue doesn't last 1 day
    [29/12/2014 9:46:00 AM] REPLACED: flue last weeks
    [29/12/2014 9:46:44 AM] REPLACED: too many excuses man..
    [29/12/2014 9:46:47 AM] REPLACED: I wanna get this done
    [29/12/2014 9:47:00 AM] REPLACED: been a week of waiting for money to refund.
    [29/12/2014 9:47:08 AM] REPLACED: You got the money now we should deal with this now
    [29/12/2014 9:49:46 AM] REPLACED: I am ready to do this
    [29/12/2014 9:51:23 AM] REPLACED: Hello?
    [29/12/2014 9:51:55 AM] Seoelf: hello mother fucker i said tommorow.
    [29/12/2014 9:52:02 AM] Seoelf: i dont know what else to say.
    [29/12/2014 9:52:05 AM] REPLACED: I want the accounts sent today
    [29/12/2014 9:52:11 AM] REPLACED: I made the payments
    [29/12/2014 9:52:22 AM] REPLACED: and the payment source
    [29/12/2014 9:52:30 AM] REPLACED: You can send me that info
    [29/12/2014 9:52:35 AM] REPLACED: now.
    [29/12/2014 9:52:44 AM] REPLACED: Since I made the payments.
    [29/12/2014 9:52:51 AM] REPLACED: I am not free tomorrow
    [29/12/2014 9:52:52 AM] Seoelf: well considering im not even at home.
    [29/12/2014 9:53:05 AM] REPLACED: I have an appointment across town tomorrow
    [29/12/2014 9:53:13 AM] REPLACED: This is ridiculous.
    [29/12/2014 9:53:36 AM] REPLACED: When will you be home?
    [29/12/2014 9:54:24 AM] REPLACED: I would like to get working. time is money .. I have already lost a week here.
    [29/12/2014 9:54:42 AM] Seoelf: me 2 and i still dont got the money cos its pending.
    [29/12/2014 9:54:54 AM] REPLACED: Dude it's cleared from my end.
    [29/12/2014 9:55:07 AM] REPLACED: according to paypal you have the money
    [29/12/2014 9:55:13 AM] REPLACED: There is no more pending excuses
    [29/12/2014 9:55:16 AM] REPLACED: I have sent the money.
    [29/12/2014 9:55:31 AM] REPLACED: When will you be home?
    [29/12/2014 9:55:39 AM] Seoelf: tommorow morning
    [29/12/2014 9:55:58 AM] REPLACED: What time is that eastern time?
    [29/12/2014 9:56:40 AM] REPLACED: I am really pissed off here.. There is no need for you to say "hello mother fucker i said tommorow."
    [29/12/2014 9:56:45 AM] REPLACED: that is really rude mate.
    [29/12/2014 9:57:40 AM] REPLACED: What time should I be online so we can do this tomorrow.
    [29/12/2014 9:57:49 AM] REPLACED: It is 10am here now
    [29/12/2014 9:58:52 AM] Seoelf: its cos im ill.
    [29/12/2014 9:59:11 AM] REPLACED: Your illness isn't going to go away in 1 day man
    [29/12/2014 9:59:19 AM] REPLACED: I need the accounts / payment source.
    [29/12/2014 9:59:42 AM] REPLACED: Flue lasts for weeks.
    [29/12/2014 9:59:59 AM] REPLACED: I have a partner I have to answer to here.
    [29/12/2014 10:00:06 AM] REPLACED: Wondering where these accounts are.
    [29/12/2014 10:00:30 AM] REPLACED: I will give you till tomorrow to settle this with me.
    [29/12/2014 10:01:23 AM] REPLACED: I have 4 VPS's that I have purchased .. I am waiting for the accounts.
    [29/12/2014 10:01:49 AM] REPLACED: I will talk to you tomorrow morning
    [29/12/2014 10:02:15 AM] REPLACED: For someone who wants a long term business deal you are making this very hard on me.
    [29/12/2014 10:02:22 AM] REPLACED: *relationship
    [29/12/2014 10:07:49 AM] REPLACED: Hope you get better. Will talk to you tomorrow.
    [29/12/2014 8:57:54 PM] *** REPLACED would like to add you on Skype

    Hi Seoelf, I'd like to add you as a contact. ***
    [29/12/2014 8:58:01 PM] REPLACED: Why did you delete me again?
    [29/12/2014 8:59:02 PM] REPLACED: Are you serious?
    [29/12/2014 9:27:29 PM] REPLACED: I am done with the scams bro. I was seriously hoping to make this work long term.
    [29/12/2014 9:27:36 PM] REPLACED: You deleted me a second time.
    [29/12/2014 9:34:59 PM] REPLACED: At this point I have not gotten anything from you. No accounts, no nothing.
    [29/12/2014 9:35:07 PM] REPLACED: I am pissed ... Give me my money!
    [30/12/2014 3:50:30 AM] Seoelf: what the hell lol.
    [30/12/2014 11:17:55 AM] REPLACED: Dude you deleted me off Skype again and are stalling. I want a refund. This aint a joke.
    [30/12/2014 11:18:16 AM] REPLACED: You keep telling me you didn't cancel the refund. but you do. Paypal told me you did
    [30/12/2014 11:18:44 AM] REPLACED: This crap doesn't happen on paypal and it seems like a big scam to me.
    [30/12/2014 11:19:01 AM] REPLACED: So just refund the money. I don't have time to wait around.
    [30/12/2014 4:48:39 PM] REPLACED: What is going on here
    [30/12/2014 4:48:42 PM] REPLACED: are you seriously scamming me?
    [30/12/2014 4:50:10 PM] REPLACED: What is going on?
    [30/12/2014 4:50:25 PM] REPLACED: I filed a claim with paypal and they denied it
    [30/12/2014 4:52:01 PM] REPLACED: Are you going to send me the accounts or What/
    [30/12/2014 4:52:09 PM] REPLACED: What the hell is going on here
    [31/12/2014 9:49:35 AM] REPLACED: Yo this has gone on long enough man.
    [31/12/2014 9:50:06 AM] REPLACED: where you ever planning to give me the accounts?
    [31/12/2014 12:49:29 PM] REPLACED: ???????????????????????????????????
    [02/01/2015 4:26:18 PM] REPLACED: Where are my ACCOUNTS
    [03/01/2015 9:06:10 PM] REPLACED: Are you going to send me the accounts or what?
    [03/01/2015 9:06:17 PM] REPLACED: This has gone on LONG ENOUGh
    [03/01/2015 9:16:28 PM] REPLACED: I wrote you in BHF as well
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  2. OldSalt

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    SeoElf has been notified he has 48 hours to respond.

    PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.

    Reminder to everyone else:
    Shit list rule #4:
    If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread.
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  3. m.rvs2141

    m.rvs2141 Senior Member

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    Sorry to hear that, another guy a day before posted thread asking to be aware SeoElf, as he wanted to scamm him with fb agency accounts, hope you get it solved.
  4. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

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    Unfortunately Paypal doesn't do much because it was an electronic good. So it's nearly impossible to get the money back fro them. This is what the supervisor had to say:

    "I did check up on the actions we took last week regarding the intangible goods transaction. The investigation is still ongoing but at this time no funds have been able to be retrieved. We have opened a 180 day investigation to receive additional complaints regarding this seller and any possible linked accounts. If additional fraud is discovered additional measures may be taken by PayPal which could possibly lead to the retrieval of your funds.

    To simplify the situation it would require additional claims, outside of your interaction, for PayPal to take legal steps (notifying Police, FBI, etc.) which could result in collection of your funds."

    The only chance I have is for the user to man up and send me the money back. It's a shame this person went through all that trouble to scam me for $400. He spend a few hours plus he got me to trust him me via a skype voice call. He claimed he was an affiliate himself and he just did this type of thing the odd time to help people out.
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  6. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

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    If someone can get me user: pnading's contact info that would be great. I would like to collaborate with this user so that I can go back to paypal and have them further investigate my case. They can trace the accounts / ips this scam artist used to take us both for a ride. Any help would be appreciated. Please pm me if you have any info.
  7. SeoElf


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    Ok seoguy you have been refunded i dont know why paypal removed the refund you can clearly see you were refunded.

    also pnading was refunded! message her its a her not a him. She wanted competition votes for a dog i outsourced and they couldnt do it so i refunded. YOU better ask why they removed your refund because the money has left my account!

    And i dont appreciate being put on this list either might i add.
  8. SeoElf


    Oct 4, 2014
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    This is actually quite a funny story he wanted a test facebook agency account for free...then he would buy more i obviously said no so this makes me a scammer does it???
  9. SeoElf


    Oct 4, 2014
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    The best part is in your post you wrote As soon as I paid the invoice SeoElf instant refunded me

  10. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

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    You clearly instantly refunded me. Claiming that the transaction was pending. Is this a joke? I have provided screen shots saying I didn't get refunded and that you cancelled the e-check / removed the refund. I also have been emailed by Paypal business support team saying they are investigating my case and it will be opened by 180 days.

    I suggest you actually come clean and give me the money that you scammed me out of. If not them i suggest the MODS ban this guy for life.
  11. SeoElf


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    If paypal are investigating it then obviously something has gone on here. I suggest you call them and find out where the money is and im pretty sure you cant cancel a instant refund how much are you smoking right now man?
  12. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

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    You clearly robbed me of 400 dollars. Why are you playing dumb here and saying that the refund is processed on your end. You are a cheat and a liar and a fraud.
    They are investigating the SCAM you pulled on me.
  13. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

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    I just got a private message from SeoElf saying "U have been refunded! stop trying to get free cash u degenerate. ;)"

    MODS please do something about this scam artist.

  14. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

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    Mods please do something about this guy. He is mocking me on the private messages. "How dare you accuse me of stealing."
    This has gone on long enough. It is clear that he thinks this is a big joke.
  15. OldSalt

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    Seoelf, I've seen a screenshot of seoguy's paypal transaction. How about a current screenshot of yours? Ck your pm for my email address.


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  16. OldSalt

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    SEOElf, I've given you enough time to get back in here and respond with a screenshot - you now have 24 hours or you will be perma-banned.

    PS. This message was also sent to him via skype
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  17. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

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    SeoElf please do the right thing and give me my money back. Show me that you have a heart!
  18. OldSalt

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    Not only has SEOElf failed to respond - he's online and looking at WTB threads.


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  19. RosuC

    RosuC Regular Member

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    Since the Master SEOElf was banned I can write my opinion about this scam method:
    The Method is called in "underground" - Maradona - because is like the great soccer player you can see the ball but the ball is passing you and he is scoring. How is working - is simple (quite simple) - they purchase these fake accounts (PayPal) with a ZERO balance bank account related to them. Once they get a legit business as this one above (400 USD with invoice) they just send the money to another real account (sending to family for sure) and they issue the refund to the first that made the legit payment. Like this they can say ... look man I had the money in pending and I made the refund - talk with PayPal. For sure PayPal TOS policy doesn't allow to the account officer to release private information about an account to another user and like this all is CLOSED. You can't do shit because the money are already gone from the paid account and for sure doesn't have bank coverage. The scam is simple and the artists are everywhere.
    I hope that I didn't disturb OS but maybe the users has to know how is this working :)
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  20. seoguy1982

    seoguy1982 Newbie

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    Thanks for the ban. I am interested in having user: Pnading contact me via PM or skype. I am interested in finding out their paypal information so that paypal can tie the two incidences together and trace IP / accounts of the scam artist.
    Apparently Pnading got a refund from Paypal. I was thinking that if i show proof of another person getting a refund for the same issue Paypal may take sympathy and give me a refund as well.

    Looks like the user hasn't been on here since the end of the year. If you are reading this Pnading please contact me.

    Thanks for all your help OldSalt!
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