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Scammed by Mod BigBuddy $1500

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  1. greatops

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    Its very sad I have to come up with this.

    BB took a loan of 1,00,000 INR ( approx 1500$) about few months back. Whenever I insisted him to return the money he always said he will return soon and postponed it.

    Now I see his account is under moderation.


    I have all the valid proofs. Please let me know how to proceed on this.
     
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  2. Apricot

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    Shitlist approved

    PLEASE NOTE: Under normal circumstances, shitlist threads regarding business conducted off the forum would not be approved. However, as it concerns a mod account which is currently under review, I'm going to allow it so we can be sure we've got all the information and nothing's been overlooked. If there are other members with similar issues I'd like to keep this in one thread to avoid any confusion.

    IMPORTANT :
    • Do not post any personal information on this shitlist thread. You can post redacted details or a summary but full logs or screenshots or other info should be sent to me directly. PM me if you want to send files.
    • Make sure your post is accurate and truthful. I will be asking you for evidence to back up your posts and if it's found to be false or misleading, you will get an infraction.
    • To anyone replying, please make sure you stick to the facts - comments about your opinion on the situation have no place on this thread. Mods have to hand out infractions, sometimes members can hold grudges so this is not the opportunity for revenge because you think your infraction was unfair.

    All SL’s are carried out in a fair and professional manner - anyone that does not conduct themselves in this way will be warned and their posts deleted.

    Edited to add:

    Shit list rule #4:
    If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread.
     
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  3. Jayder

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  4. GoGame

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    BB owns me $500, he supposed to help me with a method (azoncash) i bought from him but failed to delivery, after long delays I decided to ask for refund, he said he will, but again more dalays.. 'till no answers. Details and conversation sent to Apricot.
     
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  5. ego_whore

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    Same thing here; he just fed me with breakfasts.
     
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  6. phluid

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    Have you filed a dispute or anything that would of locked his accounts? I just ask because he owes me money as well and is using this thread as an excuse to why he has to wait to pay me.
     
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    How is BB able to defend himself against these accusations here (not saying they are true or not)? Is he allowed/able to post here?
     
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  9. Paranoid Android

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    I just noticed this thread. I have a fair bit to contribute. Drama Alert!

    I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me god. I might have some skype logs for proof and bank transfer records, nothing else.

    Talking now about my experience with him is like beating a dead snake as he is no longer a mod. Should have grown some balls and talked about this long before I guess. Well, hindsight is 20/20. I met BigBuddy in a meetup we had in Chennai, India in 2013. He was working from home and I had an office. He just walked in one day with a couple of other people (both of them banned now for shitlist), and declared that he was going to reimburse part of my security deposit and share the rent and share my office. I was totally uncomfortable with this idea but couldn't say no because he was mod. Payments came through fine though, but I tried to keep away from those three and was minding my own business.

    BigBuddy came over to my cabin one day and dropped about INR 55000 (about to $1000 at that time) on the desk and told me he wanted a mailing server onto which he can load data and mail out to offers and make money automatically. I tried to explain to him that it was not that simple and mailing is not an automated money making system, lots of work goes into it. He told me to setup a server anyway. It was around the time when Pofeker passed away, and BigBuddy was speaking to him about offers on a network he had. I did setup a nice server for him, got the best IPs and the best tools and even used some nice clickers data, got the other guy to cook up some spintaxes and mailed out to them. We received 1000s of clicks but 0 conversions. He acted so upset and told me I let him down. I just paid him back and took the loss and I never bothered to check why the offers never converted.

    A few months later they decided to switch office space which I was against as I liked the space that I had picked and had been using for quite a while. He threw some suggestive threats my way in the lines of how he was important and how not following him to the new office could harm my reputation on the forum etc.

    He told me he got me into Jr Exec at that time. I was indebted, and I had to follow him to the new office. I never had any use for the Jr Exec membership, and him getting me in there was just to blackmail me into doing things his way. I am quite an experienced email marketer, not the best you may find here on BHW but my knowledge in the area makes me good money. BigBuddy and his friends came up with this brilliant idea of making an ebook with my knowledge and selling it for $29, which they projected would sell like hot cakes and I would be given 25% of the proceeds. BigBuddy said a thread on bhw titled something like BigBuddy's Email Marketing Guide is all that is required because he was a supermod. 25% of sales? I had to get out because I was under threat of my skills that weren't so easily acquired being stolen from me. I left that office in 2013 Dec. Almost completely lost contact as they wouldn't reach out to me nor would I reach out to them. The security deposit that I had paid for the new office was never returned to me.

    I didn't renew my Jr VIP subscription that was required to keep my Jr Exec, so that I could shed the status that BigBuddy so gracefully got me into, something that I never asked for, had use for, or deserved.

    He was super friendly at Ungagged 2014, we went out to clubs and restaurants and he was kind of paying for everying and wouldn't let me pay for anything at all. I knew he was going to get me indebted to him again, but waited to see what he wanted from me this time.

    After the event we got back home, and he said he wanted me to invest in one of his app ideas. He estimated a total of $20000, and wanted me to share half of it, and he would take care of the promotions and development. Reading his threads about reskinning apps I knew he didn't know shit about marketing apps so i told him I'm not interested.

    Magically he wanted another server at this time, and wanted me to do the mailing. He setup an affiliate account for me (I setup the hasoffers trackers for him as he couldn't do it himself) He gave me shitty scraped data but told me it was good data. I took his word and mailed out to it and mailed out to it and the deal was that I was going to get paid for sales in exchange for the effort I put in for mailing.

    There were 0 sales. And the 2nd day of my mailing my ISP shut down my IPs due to reports. This never happened to me in many years as I use sparkling clean data. My datacentre was upset with the number of reports I generated and I lost all discounts I got from them and they refused to take any fresh orders from me for servers. I was fucked.

    BigBuddy called me and asked me in his local Chennai accent why the mailing has stopped. I told him the data was shitty.

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    He asked me to mail his cheap ass lander to my own data, which I was not willing to do as I value the poeple on my list as pals, I won't bother them with shit.
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    He went on about how I scammed him before and how I have scammed him now, how I never sent out mails and took money from him around May 2013. He appeared to have forgotten about the money I paid back. I was shocked to see how a mod could lie, he was looking at the mailing screen all the time and was looking at the clicks, and he did gladly take the refund from me as well. There were exchanges of messages for a whole day on skype and iMessenger, it was nasty. I asked him about my deposit refund for the office they had moved to, and they kept tossing me around with one of the guys calling me names for cheating BigBuddy.

    It was quite funny because it was these guys who were trying to cheat me with offering to write and promote an ebook (which they said is soemthing that I can't do myself if I wanted to), and the 2 server incidents I have mentioned above. I have been running 1 bst for over 2 years now with 0 issues, and that bst is definitely making me money. Check out any BST started by BigBuddy or his associates and there are always issues. They called me a Cheat. Not wanting to be branded as a cheat, I decided to let that money go and decided to move on. They're all banned for ripping people off now.

    After all of this BigBuddy gave me a permanent infraction, but luckily an admin was willing to hear me out and reverse my infraction and thus helped me keep my account here safe.

    These people were using my company's name for a while, and googling for my company name now reveals complaint posts from 10s of freelancers these people have ordered work from and never paid. I can't use this company name anymore. I tried looking for them here but all 3 of them including BigBuddy have disappeared now, changed houses, changed cities or maybe even have left the country. I am seriously considering hiring a private detective to find them and sue the shit out of them for ruining my company's name like this on the internet.

    Moral of the story: Don't let anyone share your office, no matter who he is. Do NOT take freebies or undeserved privileges as they would cost you a lot more. Deny it, tell him to take it and fuck off, no matter who he is or where he is from. Ranks are worth nothing, but what you need to do in return for it is worth a lot.
     
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  10. Apricot

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    I've contacted him personally to ask him to respond so we can get this sorted out. I had one reply where he said he was aware of the shitlist and he'd come back with a response in 24 hours which, unfortunately, didn't happen. I also asked him to provide me with proof of his identity so we can be sure it's him operating the account and no-one else.

    As we haven't yet had this proof, we've removed access to his account for the present. However, I've sent him messages saying that he can either respond through me and I'll post any information he provides. I even suggested other methods of allowing him to reply in case he was concerned I might edit his responses. He's had plenty of opportunity to respond and has been actively encouraged to do so.

    We are extremely keen to see the outstanding issues resolved. The best way to do that is to go through this fairly, starting a witch hunt isn't going to help anyone. Even though he isn't able to reply with his own account he has been given multiple ways to respond and I'm hoping that he'll take the opportunity to do so.


    @Paranoid Android - please contact me via PM so I can verify the logs and other information in regards to your post.
     
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    Please allow me a couple of days, these logs are 2 to 3 years old, I need time to dig them up.

    Edit: Just sent a PM, will send more over time, thanks.
     
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  12. linkooz

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    @Paranoid Android

    whatever you posted above is 100000% lie and you knew it...

    You know well, what BB done to you and some of the bhw members and, who attended the goa meetup knows well, how you begged BB for mod position.. Even you begged to spare your life in goa meetup because of your attitude towards some of the members in bhw...you no need to hire a private detective to find BB and others to file a suit.. If you really have balls(that too 2 balls), you already have contact details of BB and he and along with few fellow bhw members willing to meet you in person to sort this out for the backstabbing you done in these years to BB and others.

    I know whether , you owe money to BB or BB owe money to you..

    If BB really owe you the money, please message the details about where to find you, so we can amicably settled this down.

    See you soon...if you have balls...


    @Apricot

    I hope BB mailed you, and he wants to sort this out soon. But he don't have time to respond to some idiots who are making false accusations assuming he wont be back including elliot.


    And I hope , shitlist rule #4, wont be implemented on me as I can be a representative of BB and can answer any of your queries in this thread.


    @greatops - pity on you ... Me and other bhw members helped you in other ways and you know well. BB spent much time and money on whatever you asked, purchased courses, scripts, etc etc.., and i guess he would have learnt the lesson for helping a newbie who can't be successful.


    BB will resolve all these issues soon. Anyway he wont be back to bhw anymore..but if BHW admins are really transparent , i request you to hear our side before assuming BB is a scammer.

    Thanks.

    mod edit: irrelevant information removed.
     
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  13. Elliot305

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    Don't have a clue what you're trying to say. If you're suggesting I'm somehow lying then I wouldn't mind dropping some bombs, but this SL isn't my fight so I'd prefer to leave my specific situation out of it. To my knowledge you weren't part of our Skype group, thus, are talking outta your ass. Please clarify what you're trying to infer. Thanks.
     
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    when comes to lying, its not about you and it directs to paranoid android. I may not be the part of skype group..but please feel free to reveal whoever in that skype group. Thanks.
     
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    @t0mmy didn't remove it.

    Stop the urinating in this thread.
     
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  16. I know SEO

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    @linkooz thanks for posting on the thread, we understand you are BB's brother but from what you have posted you have so far posted opinions or hearsay, you need to post proof of any claims you make along with evidence. So far you have just not done that at all.

    If someone is wrong, you need to prove it. As the saying goes, pics or GTFO. Any posts you make that do not include evidence to back up your claims will be removed.

    A lot of people have come forward with issues about BB, if everyone is correct then he owes people a serious amount of money... We have seen chats between yourself and some of these people, and a common theme and something you have said repeatedly is "I don't know if BB owes you money or not", just like here again.

    Please... if you do not fully understand what is going on then I would encourage you to speak to your brother and either post something written by him posted on his behalf, post something backed with evidence that you are correct or don't post at all.

    I know Apricot has spent a lot of time trying to reach BB with little success, he said he would reply within 24 hours and has since disappeared... this was at least 2 weeks ago. Rather than post in the thread yourself you need BB to post instead as its clear you do not have all the facts.
     
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  17. linkooz

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    Thanks for finally chipping in the weekend...I know seo...

    I have not posted here to state , my brother owes money to many as others claims..

    To be honest, he does nt owes to money anyone, but while providing services, no one provides refund, but he provided refund which got him to trouble now. Also some of the Jv's , others owe money to BB and till this date, it was not get into shitlist because BB does nt want anyone to know that he got scammed.

    I am posting this now in the hope that, none of my wordings will be removed or edited...


    Lets go by one by one....


    Greatops - BB done seo for his website none charged.(Ranked first page) They had some relationship stating buying courses, testing etc.etc. all failed. Due to BB having issues with his paypal asked greatops to pay for some subscriptions. Greatops tested everything and resulted as zero. He even contacted many veterans in this field with the help of BB, got approved in the networks still he cant make money. BB paid him 50% of it and you can still verify it. proof can be sent. They got into JV, failed. But he pushed him with harsh words, so its pending.


    Elliot - He always bash BB claimimg , he scammed him in exchange of junior executive vip.(it should be noted, he stated that he will pay instead this deal, also BB paid for his first version and payment proof sent to DD) If you go through the chat it reveals that he will post the thread and if he gets majority of votes, he will be elected. And to be safer side he added mods and junior executive vips in a skype group. In the group most of them agreed its a working method and BB nominated him. But at the time of voting few members raised issues and he failed to reach junior executive. But till now Elliot assuming that its BB who made false promise, but in reality BB was the one who purchased his first version and willing to pay for his consultancy fee. But Elliot demanded for junior executive vip instead money. In the skype group mods and junior exec vips involved to test the method to find its really worth. After their confirmation the thread was posted. But when issue arised, everyone removed themselves and as a organiser BB was the one got hold. Elliot selling this method in other forum for $xxx and BB willing to pay the same. But he demanded like $xxxx, which BB cant afford to pay for others. So this issue still live.

    May I know why the names of other mods and Junior exec vips names not revealed in this issue?


    @ Others

    In this same thread, Gogame claimed $500, yes it is, we sold a cookie stuffing method, in the conditions it was mentoned no refunds as it is blackhat. BB owe him $500 as it was not set up for him. But for other , they tested and failed , but the same method working for others, so we could not refund if you tried and failed as its blackhat, because we clearly mentioned no refund.

    BB owes only Gogame and not others and for others if they really failed, it should be mailed to BB and he can refund it if possible, finding they really had issues.



    @Paranoidanroid

    Being BB's Brother, I have never seen a cunning wolf like him. Whoever had close contact with BB know well that he is a down to earth guy. We never asked or threatened him to join our office. We rented a bigger office in same locality after chennai meet up assuming being same like minded people will be a win win for all. PA agreed and joined with us. But we found the opinion diffrence in the same office. In the same office, BB considering his skills about email marketing, asked him to run a campaign on pofeckers network. Its failed. He never asked the money back or harsh words, bu just said let it be..and its a part of business. PA said, he will sell the data list and reimburse the money. Till now, we have not received any money and BB does nt bother about it as its part of business.

    Later we moved to another office, 4 of the bhw members including BB and 3 paid the advance. But whole office was furnished by BB alone including bays, interiors etc etc. Paranoid android will be anonymous evan in that time as he had issues with fellow members in the same office. AS he claimed that we selling his email course in bhw for $29, its utterly lie, because in our team we had a guy who know ins and outs of email raised queries which made clash between them. We had a joint venture to win win for all, but its failed because he thought himself high. One find day he wants to quit and he also brain washed and took our 2 staff members with him.

    We least bothered, but he asked for the deposit money he paid. But to be honest the agreemnet was in the name of another member and till now he know very well that we all 4 not received it due to the expenses made on that premises and it was deducted. BB replied in the mails about whom he should contact and it was left.


    After few years or months, PA met BB in LA ungagged, BB forgot all the issues and assumimg he is good and being normal. But he does nt know that he had his vengeance. I know very well that he have not asked for investor for his apps, as he already got the investors and company for apps running good. BB even gave tips to how run apps for PA and another mod who have done JV in this business with that other mod and also we have the skype log where he abused that mod for his in efficiency. He also shared codes with them and helped them to succeed in apps. After coming back from LA, BB got a abused message from PA, where he got tensed and even he did nt abuse him and left it as he knows its his character.

    I mentioned about goa meetup of bhw, it happened after chennai meetup, due to his attitude, whoever attneded goa meetup wants to poke his nose not for his attitude for some other things which i could not mentioned here. He litreally begged BB to save from them and BB handled it in goa and all went smoothly and still all of the bhw members exist and willing to post what happened in those times.

    I am still saying now. PA no need to hire a private detecetive to find us, as we are in the same address and wont be anonymous like PA and wiling to sort this out if he really have guts to face us, because many bhw members residing in same city wants to meet him to clear the old maths.


    Finally , as the mail sent to by BB to Apricot all the monetary issues will be resolved soon, but no one can demand us any legal implications as we know how to face it and the real reason behind why BB is not responding too also informed to Apricot.


    P.S. I have not posted this as a come back to BHW. We Least bother. But we want to post whats happening in BHW. Even if we get banned, there is a way to create new account and post in market place and sell same services as others do without refund policy.


    If BHW admins have really eyes to dig whats happening and read between the lines..BHW will live longer...


    Thanks.
     
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  18. Paranoid Android

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    @t0mmy @BassTrackerBoats please allow me a comeback.

    The great BigBuddy needs representation now?

    Shit just got personal :D. I'm guessing the strong worded post addressed towards me is stronger because I live in the city and am more accessible and because my post is far less damaging than the others? Don't be a pussy Linkooz, you're a smart guy. You should probably start with addressing the others who claim your brother owes them money before you talk to me.

    For the record, I never asked him to make me mod. I never asked him to maek me Jr. Exec either. He was the one suggesting he would make me mod soon after me made me Jr. Exec. I stepped down from Jr Exec by the end of that year, the admis should be able to verify that. When in vegas he asked me if I wanted to get back into Jr Exec again, and I told him Nooooooo thanks. Ask him to come here and deny it if its not the truth, tough guy.

    Another member who was so close to BigBuddy at that time got upset because I didn't call him first when he landed in Goa but called another guy instead. I didn't want anything to do with any of their childishness then on so after the meet I disconnected from all of them. There was no illtreatment towards anyone from my side in Goa, I'd like to be corrected by parties concerned if I'm wrong maybe in a separate lounge thread. Then again, these are not the real issues here, why are you even bringing these up when you have so many other real concerns to respond to?

    I was talking about the losses I had to take because of the things he manipulated me into doing. Please READ! I have clearly stated that I have written off the losses and moved on.

    Begged you to spare my life? I don't remember that one. You were the one walking around begging me for cigarettes all the time. But reading your message I do feel a bit threatened now :eek:. I might need a restraining order first. O God its Saturday. Hellllppppp! Let me call my lawyer first.

    And there is no such thing as a 100000% lie. Doesn't go beyond 100. And the percentage of lies on my post was 0.

    Will see you soon, but I would suggest you settle your issues with the others before you pursue your desperation to settle scores with me.
     
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    Again, why is my issue being explained so much, when there is so much money involved with the others.

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    PA said, he will sell the data list and reimburse the money. Till now, we have not received any money and BB does nt bother about it as its part of business.
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    Thanks for denying my reimbursement. Now I can send the proof of payment to the admin who can confirm who's lying now.

    I paid for furnishing my space in the new office, I took away all of my furniture when I moved out. I paid my share of the additional wiring and I had a separate power meter that billed for my use. I have spreadsheets from one of your guys in mail with my power bill amounts on it that I am forwarding to the admin now. Please don't say anymore and get yourself caught lying. I didn't poach anyone from your office and I don't need SEO people. They left and moved on to better jobs and you know that, and I had to give them letters of recommendation for the time they worked for you because you guys wouldn't.

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    I know very well that he have not asked for investor for his apps, as he already got the investors and company for apps running good. BB even gave tips to how run apps for PA and another mod who have done JV in this business with that other mod and also we have the skype log where he abused that mod for his in efficiency. He also shared codes with them and helped them to succeed in apps.
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    He asked me on skype for the investment :). Please don't get yourself caught lying. This is something I think the person concerned must respond to. We worked with his tips on our apps and the business fell on its ass and we both lost out money. I can't speak for the other mod but I certainly wished we had gone with some professional consultant. Thanks for bringing it up, thats another loss I had to write off too because of your misguidance.

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    I mentioned about goa meetup of bhw, it happened after chennai meetup, due to his attitude, whoever attneded goa meetup wants to poke his nose not for his attitude for some other things which i could not mentioned here. He litreally begged BB to save from them and BB handled it in goa and all went smoothly and still all of the bhw members exist and willing to post what happened in those times.
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    I've explained what happened in my earlier post, and the matter is of 0 significance on this shitlist. I'm keen to see a thread on this from the offended members.

    We should certainly meet Linkooz, its been a long time, but lets do it after you have settled all outstanding issues that are of more importance.
     
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  20. linkooz

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    lol, PA, if we have to settle our issues, it will be done and on another note, why did you posted on this thread with BS.....if you really concerned about what we have to settle...

    Please call your lawyer immediately PA, because you will need it. Yes, its been long time we met and willing to meet today and could you provide appointment for us? I guess you wont be pussy to meet us...because we really have the score to settle down.

    Cigarates? lol, do you ever know BB does nt have the habit of smoking cigarates?

    Yes, you took your furnitures, what about the carpets, blinds and staff you took with you...Did you paid for it?
     
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