SAPE Finally Busted?

I have diversified links but a few of my SAPE sites got the manual penalty warning too. Rankings are still holding strong. So far, only sites promoted with SAPE has received this notice. We'll see what happens next. Good thing about SAPE is if site gets hit, all I gotta do is cancel the subscription and throw away the site.

This is my first time getting a manual penalty message since that time when they sent out the mass messages.

It's fear mongering. This is all propaganda. Google is trying to look tough, trying to plant the image in our brains that "Google knows.", while in fact, Google didn't know. They discourage the SAPE users by saying that they can detect the links, while in fact, it is not. A lot of my sites rank using black hat techniques alone, and has went for months and banking hard without any warnings or penalties from Google. What we must do now is not over-estimate Google, but don't under-estimate them also.

All my sites using SAPE are still ranking well and good.
All my sites ranked using only GSA is also still ranking well and good.
Ironically, some of my sites, built through "standard" white-hat, Matt-loving protocol is not ranking at all.

Sure, Matt may intend to "attack" Ghost Ranks, but though he may attack the brand he may not know the whole network. SAPE is large, and though some of it may have been hit, I think it just scratch the surface of SAPE. If we say that we are hit, are you sure that SAPE is causing the penalty? It may be other backlink method that you use. It's unwise to just use SAPE, so you must have other links. And if you are hit, it's unwise to blame just SAPE, they may be other factor that cause the penalty.

GreyKnight said:

It's fear mongering. This is all propaganda. Google is trying to look tough, trying to plant the image in our brains that "Google knows.", while in fact, Google didn't know. They discourage the SAPE users by saying that they can detect the links, while in fact, it is not. A lot of my sites rank using black hat techniques alone, and has went for months and banking hard without any warnings or penalties from Google. What we must do now is not over-estimate Google, but don't under-estimate them also.

All my sites using SAPE are still ranking well and good.
All my sites ranked using only GSA is also still ranking well and good.
Ironically, some of my sites, built through "standard" white-hat, Matt-loving protocol is not ranking at all.

Sure, Matt may intend to "attack" Ghost Ranks, but though he may attack the brand he may not know the whole network. SAPE is large, and though some of it may have been hit, I think it just scratch the surface of SAPE. If we say that we are hit, are you sure that SAPE is causing the penalty? It may be other backlink method that you use. It's unwise to just use SAPE, so you must have other links. And if you are hit, it's unwise to blame just SAPE, they may be other factor that cause the penalty.

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Why do people in this forum keep calling it propaganda?

Yes, some of it is a scare tactic to deter people away from link buying schemes. I have no doubts about this.

However let's look at the facts here:

Almost everyone that has replied in this topic has received the message and the only common ground between all of us has been SAPE links. What this translates to me is that Google have worked out enough about SAPE or other link buying networks to flag them (whether it be how they are positioned on pages, High PR sites that have exact anchor links.. or...whatever it is... they have obviously figured out some form of a pattern that is flagable in link buying networks.

As google gets more sophisticated in culling spam, I would hope that networks like SAPE are also investing BIG MONEY in new techniques to keep their programs just as sophisticated.

That's my 2 cents worth.

Im just going to start with a new batch of sites.... churn and burn

Here is probably what Matt Cutts has worked out so far. .com domain + most backlinks to it = .ru = sape been used = slap site. None of mine have been hit yet, but what I do tend to do is dilute all the .ru down with thousands of web2 .com .co.uk .net .org.

looks like one of my sape supported site got buttfucked tuesday night..other ones are still going strong

reallife said:

Got the unnatural links message.
How long have people seen it take before the penalty is applied?

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2-3 days max

BHW has been providing Matt Cutts with a good amount of porn lately.

In fact;

Matt Cutts is probably jerking off to this thread right now. Just the thought of him touching SAPE turns him on.



[To Matty]

Here's some extra reading material Mr. Cutts:



Figured you'd enjoy a swift kick in the nuts during your bate session since you don't mind giving them out..

I have to laugh. Not about whether SAPE links are effective or not because I don't use them and don't care, but rather about "We have to find a way not to use SAPE links." Most of us have Scrapebox or GScraper. I am not so sure about using Scrapebox for this because Scrapebox is not Rich text compliant, but with GScraper you can run your keywords through Google Translate, C&P the translation into GScraper, and search for country specific domains to post on - again with the help of translate.

sahilsxy29 said:

not sure what's happening but it won't be that easy to pull down sape

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True - but from a business perspective you don't need to pull it down. Hit enough sites and the owners will be here and trafficplanet and WSO QQing very loudly about their "SAPE hits" and that will scare most new potential customers off.

I ghave a couple of "trash" sites still using SAPE - still ranking and banking just fine. If they get destroyed tomorrow they have made more than 50x my investment in them I just make some more (or not - not sure if I would bother, just want to get down to my core 8 sites at some point)

Either way if your ROI is a big positive then it's a no brainer.

Rank - Bank - Take the hit when it comes like a man

... and then move on.

Scritty said:

True - but from a business perspective you don't need to pull it down. Hit enough sites and the owners will be here and trafficplanet and WSO QQing very loudly about their "SAPE hits" and that will scare most new potential customers off.

I ghave a couple of "trash" sites still using SAPE - still ranking and banking just fine. If they get destroyed tomorrow they have made more than 50x my investment in them I just make some more (or not - not sure if I would bother, just want to get down to my core 8 sites at some point)

Either way if your ROI is a big positive then it's a no brainer.

Rank - Bank - Take the hit when it comes like a man

... and then move on.

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Was waiting for your post BTW well said.

Due the nature of system like sape. There are always new links coming in the system and old coming out. You can find perfect links. However SAPE is only the most popular. In russian SEO world there are many many more unknown to most here networks and even for matt cuts. They cant know which networks what links has except they create special tool with the network API, this would include paying to the site to use API and it's custom for every site. So made up the decision for your self )))

Few Weeks Back one of my Site Hit By Google Manual Penalty where I use some other Network Links.. Not Sape.. and I use around 100 Links which I build same Day... and on aherf's many of them are showing in a row... like 10 Text links then one Normal Links and then again few Text links...

On another Site which is Hosted on Same IP where the 1st Site was.. I also Put other Network Links but with a Gap.. Like 10 Links today wait them for index then put some other links and wait for index atlst few.. the again build some High PR Links and wait for them to index.. This way I build around 70-80 Links which are still there.. and still now no Penalty news...

I used all russian sites for both Two Sites.. My Who is Disable and on Shared Hosting....

I just really think Google target the Site backlink History and if they found unnatural links showing in row they Pick them up for a Penalty..

I don't know whether I am write or wrong but this is what happened with me and I though I might share with you...

if we get all 100 high pr links at a time, then indirectly we are telling google about our network.. to get backlinks from sape or any network specially high pr which is more considered now a days and targetted most by google, we have to drip feed it properly.. i would agree that sape still works if used properly and ethically.

I use SAPE 100 links+ in my site, and do tiered backlinks every day.
I don't received any message, and my rank increasing right now.

ps: Last week I received negative SEO from a mother fuc*. Many backlinks using porn keywords...

A few sites I monitor dropped around the 20th of this month, not -50 though, so not sure what it was exactly. But something must have happened around then as they had been fine for months.

Why do people pretend they know what Google would DO? Google is a thinking, breathing and learning beast and continues to consume information at an alarming rate. Anything in the public domain, you can bet Google knows about it.

What makes you think, they do not have spies planted at the top forums? We constantly educate Google about the latest trends in SEO, then they learn and adjust the algorithm accordingly.

Blogs networks are extremely effective, but the public ones will become toxic to your sites in due time. If the public blog network sells links, Google would eventually catch them.

Best to create your own network and rank your own sites. That's what the true big earners are doing. All public blog networks are living on borrowed time, As the big G knows about them.

So stop complaining when they take down any blog network selling links, because it's bound to happen regardless of the setup structure.

The only way to keep ranking with blog networks, is to keep them very private.

SkyrocketSEO said:

Social signals are not working, have nothing to do with SEO. I am sure that's the truth

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This is sarcasm, right?!

If you go out and buy 10xPR5 links in one day, you will get hit probably. But if you go and you buy one da 5xPR2, next day another round of 5xPR2... and so on spreading it across 10 days till you get a nice hefty PR7 link - then you are all safe. Been doing it that way for over 3 years without any issue.

Scritty said:

True - but from a business perspective you don't need to pull it down. Hit enough sites and the owners will be here and trafficplanet and WSO QQing very loudly about their "SAPE hits" and that will scare most new potential customers off.

I ghave a couple of "trash" sites still using SAPE - still ranking and banking just fine. If they get destroyed tomorrow they have made more than 50x my investment in them I just make some more (or not - not sure if I would bother, just want to get down to my core 8 sites at some point)

Either way if your ROI is a big positive then it's a no brainer.

Rank - Bank - Take the hit when it comes like a man

... and then move on.

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Would agree with this 100%. If i had my Orson Wells clapping photo i would post it!

Actually bugger it, Google is so easy!



As with all things, black, white, hell even rainbow unicorn seo, it's all about risk. You build a site, look at the traffic, look at the payout and weigh everything up.

I'm sure Sape will carry on because for every 100 newbies who buy a package and don't even renew the second month, there are 5 professionals who are paying on time, ranking, banking and looking to the future because nothing ever stays the same for more than 5 minutes in this game.

The 80/20 rules applies perfectly here, just because Matt Cutts manages to scare off a few noobs, the guys who bankroll these networks will look on dispassionately and make the business case for Sape, or indeed for something new if necessary.

I'll only start thinking "oh shit" when my own experiences start to show major issues and the one or two old school marketers i know start to get twitchy feet too.

Until then it's a mix of noobs, flamers and trolls who know sfa about seo yet own a blog called "Johny big time SEO" who are doing all the talking right now. Florida, The end of monthly dance, sand-boxing, caffeine, suggested terms, the farmer update, panda and penguin. Different day, same shit and always a work around. Today is no different and no worse.

Today i smoked 4 joints and watched season 4 of The Wire. That's my official response to "Sape Gate".

jangoz said:

If you go out and buy 10xPR5 links in one day, you will get hit probably. But if you go and you buy one da 5xPR2, next day another round of 5xPR2... and so on spreading it across 10 days till you get a nice hefty PR7 link - then you are all safe. Been doing it that way for over 3 years without any issue.

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Are you by any chance a "Sape link" seller?