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RottenYellow aka Impaler Software - Scammer

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by akacash, Aug 28, 2014.

  1. akacash

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    Well, I really didn't even want to write this out, but he gave me no choice. You'll see that in the logs below, but I think I was more than fair, and gave him every opportunity to try and avoid this. I hired him to make me a program that was to be $100. He actually said $80, and I offered $100 because I thought it was more fair. He said he needed half up front, not because he didn't trust me, but because he had some personal stuff he needed to take care of. I sent him $52 actually to cover the fees even. I told him that there wasn't any specific time table, but that I would've liked it within a week or two. That was 2 months ago now. I've gotten every single run-around and excuse in the book since then. I'm not going to flame the kid, but I am going to make this public for everyone else to see so they don't get screwed over worse than I did. Luckily it was only $50 and that's not going to make or break anything by any means, but that's not the point either. $50 is a lot to someone just starting out, and not only that, but I had people waiting on stuff I was unable to deliver. So I ended up looking bad over it as well. So not only did I lose out on the $52 I put out, but I lost a potential deal as well. It was only going to be a side project, but it could've just as easily been something that was vital to my income, and 8 weeks of the run-around, and then nothing to even show for it it in the end would've broke me in the beginning. If I can help even 1 person avoid that, then writing this was more than worth it. I have all the logs of our convo's from day 1, and if needed I can send them whoever needs them. I'll post the start of when I began to get annoyed and fed up with him not responding.

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    [7/15/2014 7:55:19 AM] cash: hey you around?
    [7/15/2014 7:56:15 AM] cash: hey just a heads up
    [7/15/2014 7:56:21 AM] cash: cuz i'm not going to sit here and play games with you
    [7/15/2014 7:57:01 AM] cash: i dont really care about the $50 that much, so if you don't have the prj done by today or some sort of logical explanation about why you can't seem to respond to me i'm just going to shitlist your acct on BHW and chargeback that Paypal account
    [7/15/2014 8:03:11 AM] Kristian: shit bro, i didn't notice your messages, I got multiple skypes open at home and work, prob messages arrived on the other one. I'm almost done, I just don't have proxies to test with and solve a nasty bug that sometimes breaks the connection, we can do it this evening if you can give me any, but it might take couple more days to get it runnning smoothly
    [7/15/2014 8:03:40 AM] cash: bro trhat was the 4th time i had to message you
    [7/15/2014 8:03:54 AM] cash: hit me up later and ill give you some proxies to test out
    [7/15/2014 8:04:20 AM] cash: ill be around w/e
    [7/15/2014 8:04:26 AM] cash: so hit me up when you can get it done
    [7/15/2014 8:04:44 AM] Kristian: sorry man, my comp is fucked up and I cant boot on windows with it, so i just use another laptop and mine prob has skype open or something
    [7/15/2014 8:05:10 AM] Kristian: cool will do man and I appologize for the inconvenience
    [7/15/2014 8:06:01 AM] cash: werd
    [7/15/2014 8:06:15 AM] cash: well ill be around most if not all of the day so w/e you're ready for the proxies just lemme know
    [7/15/2014 8:10:44 AM] Kristian: will do, I will be home in 6-7 hours, I'm at work now
    [7/15/2014 5:28:23 PM] Kristian: hey bro, can u send me few proxies?
    
    
    [7/16/2014 6:46:52 AM] Kristian: hey you around?
    [7/16/2014 6:47:31 AM] Kristian: you were right, I did receive your messages on home comp, for some reason my accounts are not in sync, i don't see the full chat log
    [7/16/2014 8:05:16 AM] cash: hey
    [7/16/2014 8:05:18 AM] cash: yeah i'm here
    [7/16/2014 8:06:37 AM] Kristian: hey bro, I'm at work, I will be home in 6 hours, can u send me some proxies then?
    [7/16/2014 8:07:05 AM] cash: yeah
    [7/16/2014 8:07:09 AM] cash: ill be on today
    [7/16/2014 8:07:23 AM] cash: i was doing some stuff yesterday and didnt get around to putting skype back on here
    [7/16/2014 8:07:59 AM] Kristian: no worries man, I will hit you up when I get home
    [7/16/2014 8:08:44 AM] cash: k
    [7/16/2014 4:35:27 PM] Kristian: hey bro, can you send me the proxies?
    [7/16/2014 4:36:17 PM] cash: hey the proxies aren't anything special, just normal http ones
    [7/16/2014 4:36:26 PM] cash: but ill scan you a few real quick one min
    [7/16/2014 4:36:44 PM] cash: the one proxies i talked about before that were weird was tehse one socks5's
    [7/16/2014 4:36:53 PM] cash: we dont need to worry about those right now
    [7/16/2014 4:37:43 PM] Kristian: cool, yeah just send me couple when you got a chance
    [7/16/2014 4:38:09 PM] cash: no prob
    [7/16/2014 4:46:15 PM] cash: *** 20 Proxies Sent ***
    [7/16/2014 4:46:20 PM] cash: ill send more if ya need
    [7/16/2014 4:46:25 PM] cash: but those are fresh off the scanner
    [7/16/2014 4:46:39 PM] cash: just basic old http's for now
    [7/16/2014 4:47:05 PM] cash: i just want to be able to hide those ips and forward them through my server ips instead
    [7/16/2014 4:54:43 PM] Kristian: cool thanks, how long till they expire?
    [7/16/2014 4:54:53 PM] cash: now that i can't say for sure
    [7/16/2014 4:55:03 PM] cash: but if too many of them do lemme know and ill send you another batch
    [7/16/2014 4:55:03 PM] cash: lol
    [7/16/2014 4:55:11 PM] cash: i have the scanner running so it'll keep giving me fresh ones
    [7/16/2014 4:55:21 PM] Kristian: they should last till tomorrow?
    [7/16/2014 4:56:02 PM] cash: probably
    [7/16/2014 4:56:04 PM] cash: some of them
    [7/16/2014 4:56:11 PM] cash: ill paste some more over too as they come in
    [7/16/2014 4:56:20 PM] cash: some of them will def be good till tomorrow
    [7/16/2014 4:56:40 PM] cash: if not though it doesn't take but 5-10 mins and i can have 50-100 scanned valid for ya
    [7/16/2014 4:58:04 PM] Kristian: nice, cool i'll let you know when I need more
    [7/16/2014 4:58:30 PM] cash: k
    
    
    [7/17/2014 5:46:02 AM] Kristian: hey bro, I didn't get a chance to do anything yesterday, I will get to it when I get home
    [7/17/2014 8:11:33 AM] cash: thats fine
    [7/17/2014 8:11:37 AM] cash: just hit me up
    [7/17/2014 8:11:47 AM] cash: i got a lil runnin around to do but ill be home most of the day otherwise
    [7/17/2014 8:15:06 AM] Kristian: cool sounds good man
    
    
    [7/18/2014 2:38:19 AM] Kristian: hey bro, I still need a bit time, can you wait till saturday?
    [7/18/2014 10:18:45 AM] cash: yeah
    
    
    [7/21/2014 9:10:06 AM] Kristian: hey bro, my laptop harddrive died, only yesterday I got a new laptop, but I got everything backed up, we might be able to do some tests today, I will let you know when I get home
    
    
    [7/22/2014 9:30:35 AM] cash: hey dude this is getting a little annoying
    [7/22/2014 9:30:47 AM] cash: it's been almost 3 weeks now for a project you said you already had a template to
    [7/22/2014 9:31:08 AM] cash: i understand you're busy and all but i've seen zero progress aside from 1 excuse after another
    [7/22/2014 9:31:25 AM] Kristian: hey man, I got late form work yesterday, I do have an template, but it's written in C#
    [7/22/2014 9:31:33 AM] cash: so
    [7/22/2014 9:31:46 AM] Kristian: I will try to get a working test today
    [7/22/2014 9:32:01 AM] Kristian: it's completelly different code c# and php
    [7/22/2014 9:32:08 AM] Kristian: the idea is the same
    [7/22/2014 9:32:10 AM] cash: i thought you said you wanted to use C# because you didn't think php would be that great
    [7/22/2014 9:32:14 AM] cash: i told you that was ok
    [7/22/2014 9:32:39 AM] Kristian: I though you said that "all these guys use php" that's why I went with php
    [7/22/2014 9:33:27 AM] Kristian: does php not work?
    [7/22/2014 9:33:35 AM] cash: lol
    [7/22/2014 9:33:39 AM] cash: ok now you're starting to piss me off
    [7/22/2014 9:33:43 AM] Kristian: for you? the c# code has a bug that is very hard to track
    [7/22/2014 9:33:46 AM] cash: do you just want to pay me back and we can forget this?
    [7/22/2014 9:34:00 AM] Kristian: after I created it?
    [7/22/2014 9:34:01 AM] cash: maybe go back and scroll through our old convo
    [7/22/2014 9:34:11 AM] cash: see what i asked you to do and what we agreed upon
    [7/22/2014 9:35:39 AM] Kristian: [15:38:41] Kristian: I mean it's possible, but might be a little tricky and not the best thing to do this in php, I would do it in C# instead, but can be done in php
    [15:39:08] cash: well php isnt' a deal breaker or anything, i've just always heard thats what ppl used
    [15:39:34] Kristian: I mean it's up to you, which ever you prefer. what's the deadline?
    [15:41:24] cash: w/e you can get it done
    [7/22/2014 9:35:55 AM] Kristian: I just assumed we're doing it in php
    [7/22/2014 9:35:56 AM] cash: paste the rest
    [7/22/2014 9:36:06 AM] cash: i told you c# was fine
    [7/22/2014 9:36:21 AM] cash: and that i was hoping ot have it done by that weekend
    [7/22/2014 9:36:31 AM] *** Missed call from Kristian. ***
    [7/22/2014 9:36:37 AM] cash: not 3 weeks later and you haven't even picked the language
    [7/22/2014 9:36:39 AM] Kristian: 15:41:24] cash: w/e you can get it done
    [15:41:32] cash: its not a huge rush
    [15:41:39] cash: but i'll kick you some $ for it
    [15:41:54] cash: actually if it works, and it works good
    [15:42:03] cash: then i have a service we could sell technically
    [15:42:12] cash: i'm just kinda lazy and dont feel like maintaining it
    [15:42:50] cash: if i did sell teh service i'd cut you in on that
    [15:43:16] Kristian: sounds good, I could maintain it, not a prob, I could use some extra cash at the moment, broke as fuck!! so I could do the project now, does that work?
    [15:43:29] cash: yeah go ahead
    [15:43:44] cash: i have a kid that wants to rent like 1k peas from me
    [15:43:48] cash: which i can do no problemo
    [15:43:53] cash: but
    [15:43:58] Kristian: will you give me some proxies to mess around with?
    [15:43:59] cash: i dont want him to see how i'm doing it
    [15:44:04] Kristian: ohh gocha
    [7/22/2014 9:37:08 AM] Kristian: "not 3 weeks later and you haven't even picked the language" what do you mean? I said I did it in php, you're now telling me you though I did it in c#
    [7/22/2014 9:37:39 AM] cash: you said you thought c# would be better
    [7/22/2014 9:38:05 AM] cash: and i said php wasn't a deal breaker just go ahead
    [7/22/2014 9:38:14 AM] Kristian: but that doesn't change the fact that I did it in php and you didn't specify I just assumed you don't care and did it in the language you originally mentioned
    [7/22/2014 9:38:18 AM] cash: i only brought up php because my dude's botnet script is all php
    [7/22/2014 9:38:33 AM] Kristian: then what's wrong with php I don't understand?
    [7/22/2014 9:39:09 AM] cash: nothing is wrong with php
    [7/22/2014 9:39:23 AM] cash: you're the one that said you'd rather do it in c#
    [7/22/2014 9:39:35 AM] cash: and i said that it was cool, php wasn't a deal-breaker
    [7/22/2014 9:39:42 AM] cash: so i assumed thats waht you were doing
    [7/22/2014 9:39:51 AM] cash: idc what language it's in personally if it works
    [7/22/2014 9:40:36 AM] Kristian: so I don't understand are you pissed that it's in php now? why are we arguing?
    [7/22/2014 9:40:55 AM] cash: i'm not arguing with you at all
    [7/22/2014 9:41:07 AM] cash: i just want to know when it'll be done
    [7/22/2014 9:41:40 AM] Kristian: it's already done, I just need to do refactoring and real test, I have tested it with 'local' proxies, not real ones
    [7/22/2014 9:43:22 AM] Kristian: my work ends in 4 hours, then I will be home and I will hit you up and show you the script and we go from there
    [7/22/2014 9:43:50 AM] cash: ok
    
    
    [7/23/2014 5:43:49 AM] Kristian: hey bro, could you give me some proxies in like 6 hours if u get a chance?
    [7/23/2014 7:15:35 AM] cash: i'll have them, just let me know when you're ready
    [7/23/2014 7:15:50 AM] Kristian: cool, will do man
    [7/23/2014 3:09:47 PM] Kristian: hey man, I'm home, can you send me some proxies?
    [7/23/2014 3:12:43 PM] cash: yup
    [7/23/2014 3:12:45 PM] cash: one min
    [7/23/2014 3:13:09 PM] Kristian: cool no rush, I'm gonna test them in two hours
    [7/23/2014 5:30:55 PM] cash: *Removed*
    [7/23/2014 5:31:13 PM] cash: bout 450-500 there i've scanned since we talked last
    [7/23/2014 5:31:40 PM] cash: i'm sure some will be offline/dead by now, but the majority of those will be good, should have plenty to test with but if you need more or anything just lemme know
    
    
    [7/24/2014 3:40:40 AM] Kristian: thanks man. fuck yesterday electricity got cut off because of fire for the whole town. 10k appartments effected, the whole town looked like after apocalypse. it was because some kind of main powerline caught on fire *Removed*
    [7/24/2014 9:39:46 AM] cash: wow
    [7/24/2014 9:39:51 AM] cash: pretty crazy
    [7/24/2014 9:40:50 AM] Kristian: bro, you should have seen the town, such a weird vibe, like you only hear security systems going off, I'm sure people robbed the fuck out of each other lol
    [7/24/2014 9:41:27 AM] cash: lol
    [7/24/2014 9:42:37 AM] Kristian: I took some pictures, but my phone cam is shit and everything is just black, never seen anything like this is my life. we have a town of shitloads of 10 story houses, you can imagine how crazy it looked all black
    [7/24/2014 9:43:49 AM] cash: lol yeah i actually kinda have an idea
    [7/24/2014 9:44:01 AM] cash: when i was younger there was a huge factory that caught on fire
    [7/24/2014 9:44:15 AM] cash: impacted my entire city and surrounding townships
    [7/24/2014 9:45:06 AM] Kristian: crazy. I only now realised how electricity affects every little thing. I couldn't even got to my house, because the code door didn't work. I can't imagine how many people got stuck in the elevators for like 8 hours lol
    [7/24/2014 1:39:50 PM] Kristian: ok I'm home, getting to testing in an hour
    [7/24/2014 5:41:57 PM] cash: k
    
    
    [7/27/2014 7:32:35 AM] Kristian: hey man, can you give me few more proxies when you get a chance?
    [7/27/2014 7:32:53 AM] cash: yup
    [7/27/2014 9:04:05 AM] cash: shit dude i'm sorry i got sidetracked and totally forgot to do send some
    [7/27/2014 9:04:49 AM] Kristian: it's cool bro, whenever you get a chance, I will be here all day
    [7/27/2014 9:05:54 AM] cash: couple mins
    [7/27/2014 9:06:02 AM] cash: just gonna recheck these real fast to get you some valids
    [7/27/2014 9:06:03 AM] Kristian: cool
    [7/27/2014 10:19:13 AM] cash: *Removed*
    [7/27/2014 10:19:24 AM] cash: the level shouldn't actually matter
    [7/27/2014 10:19:30 AM] cash: not for right now anyway
    [7/27/2014 10:19:49 AM] cash: but i have my own judge setup so it separates them for me auto anyway
    [7/27/2014 10:20:34 AM] cash: those are all fresh though so they should all be good or almost all anyway
    [7/27/2014 10:20:56 AM] cash: when you get ready to test it at scale i'll gather up 4 or 5k and we can see how it handles it
    [7/27/2014 11:09:46 AM] Kristian: cool sounds good bro
    [7/27/2014 1:07:31 PM] Kristian: hey man, can you give me a another day or two? I will not charge you the remaining amount for it
    [7/27/2014 1:13:39 PM] cash: yeah dude that's fine, i'll still pay you for it i just want it done
    [7/27/2014 1:14:13 PM] Kristian: it's cool man, I'm not gonna take the payment, I wasted way too much of your time on this
    
    
    [7/31/2014 10:41:24 AM] cash: ?
    [7/31/2014 10:41:27 AM] cash: what's up
    [7/31/2014 10:42:15 AM] cash: when is this thing going to be done
    [7/31/2014 10:42:43 AM] cash: i have a dude waiting i told i'd give proxies to and i'm looking like a dick cuz i told him i'd be ready a while ago and another week is gone by now
    [7/31/2014 10:43:06 AM] cash: if you can't do it the least you can do is at least let me know so i can find someone who can
    [7/31/2014 10:43:16 AM] cash: this is ridiculous how long you've stretched this out now
    
    
    [8/1/2014 3:20:41 AM] Kristian: I know and I'm sorry man, I will give you a refund in 3-4 days and send you the code anyway
    [8/1/2014 7:50:29 AM] cash: i dont want a refund to be honest
    [8/1/2014 7:50:40 AM] cash: i just want you to either finish the damn thing
    [8/1/2014 8:13:44 AM] Kristian: ok, today I'm skipping day at work I will finish it
    
    
    [8/5/2014 9:17:58 AM] cash: just a heads up, i'm going to write out the shit list thing for bhw today and send it in tomorrow morning
    [8/5/2014 9:18:17 AM] cash: i'm just going to chargeback that paypal too unless you somehow miraculously devliver me something tonight
    [8/5/2014 9:18:53 AM] cash: i dont anticipate that though, and i'm not interested in anymore of your excuses either, it's been way too long and you made me look like a dick to a potential contact
    [8/5/2014 9:19:30 AM] cash: i'm not sure if this is how you typically do business, but it's a shame because you sounded like you had a lot of promise and potential
    [8/5/2014 9:19:56 AM] cash: anyway, sorry this is how things ended up having to workout, but i've been way more than fair with you
    [8/5/2014 9:22:41 AM] Kristian: I understand. I have some seriouss shit going on in my personal life and I know it's not an excuse. I got the script done which I haven't get a chance to test. I will happily return your money like I said before, but I got nothing now in my paypal. my paycheck from work comes friday and then I can do wire transfer or one person is supposed to pay me over paypal upcoming days, but I'm not 100% sure about it. like I said I have no excuse, I have so much shit going on in my life I simply forgot about it
    [8/5/2014 9:54:23 AM] cash: send it over then when you get home
    [8/5/2014 9:54:26 AM] cash: i want to see what you have done
    [8/5/2014 9:58:25 AM] Kristian: alright, I will hit you up when I get home
    [8/5/2014 4:30:12 PM] Kristian: hey man, I'm having some problems and I'm gonna be home late, but I'm gonna skip work tomorrow and send it in the morning
    
    
    [8/6/2014 6:32:47 AM] Kristian: hey I'm back at work, I'm gonna receive a paypal payment tonight, then I fill refund you
    [8/6/2014 6:33:46 AM] Kristian: or if you do a charge back I believe they will charge my bank account, so you could do that too if you're rushing
    [8/6/2014 7:03:25 AM] cash: if you send the refund back today i wont charge it back
    [8/6/2014 7:04:32 AM] Kristian: I will let you know when send it, how much was it?
    [8/6/2014 7:04:45 AM] cash: $50
    [8/6/2014 10:17:28 AM] Kristian: cool
    [8/6/2014 2:39:32 PM] Kristian: does wire transfer work for you? I have regular bank acc and pioneer
    [8/6/2014 2:43:57 PM] cash: i thought you said that paypal was tied to your bank account
    
    
    [8/7/2014 3:16:57 AM] Kristian: I only withdrawal money from my paypal to bank account not other way around. I mixed up days I though today is friday, that's when I get paid
    [8/7/2014 8:41:40 AM] cash: if you have your bank account linked which you obv do, then money can come in or out instantly. if you make a purchase for more than what's in your paypal balanace it withdraws it from your bank account auto.
    [8/7/2014 8:42:00 AM] cash: they dont even have a setting to where you can only withdraw to an account but not fund from it
    [8/7/2014 8:42:16 AM] cash: and why can't you send me what you've done so far
    [8/7/2014 8:42:29 AM] cash: if it's even remotely close to being finsihed or working i'd probably just wave the $50
    [8/7/2014 8:42:36 AM] cash: you said you have it done basically minus the testing
    [8/7/2014 8:42:47 AM] cash: so send me that, and if that's the case then i'll just wave the $50
    [8/7/2014 8:47:04 AM] Kristian: I never purchased anything with paypal that made it go over the balance so I'm not familiar how it works, I only know that once I wanted to put some cash into paypal and it said it takes 7 days to upload cash from bank to paypal, and I though fuck that! I can send you the code, but it's in 'development' meaning I wrote much of the code blindly without testing, so I doubt anything will work without adjustments, there's probably tons of bugs and ether way I'm not gonna take the remaining money even if it works
    [8/7/2014 8:47:53 AM] Kristian: about refund, ether way I'm receiving cash tomorrow my bank account has like $20 on it so tomorrow afternoon you could do chargeback and it should work like that
    [8/7/2014 8:48:18 AM] cash: if i have to charge you back i'm writing a shtlist on bhw and attatching your name
    [8/7/2014 8:48:24 AM] cash: this is stupid as shit
    [8/7/2014 8:48:29 AM] cash: i dont even care about the $50
    [8/7/2014 8:48:44 AM] cash: you've wasted so much fucking time over this measly bullshit that i'm only doing it out of sheer annoyance at this point
    [8/7/2014 8:49:48 AM] cash: when you get paid tomorrow you should be able to jsut do a simple send money to me
    [8/7/2014 8:50:02 AM] cash: then it will emtpy your paypal
    [8/7/2014 8:50:13 AM] cash: and w/e is left it will draw automatically from your bank account
    [8/7/2014 8:50:30 AM] cash: the only way it'll take days like what you just said is if you try to fund your paypal
    [8/7/2014 8:50:32 AM] cash: you don't need to do that
    [8/7/2014 8:50:47 AM] cash: because paypal will auto take the remanining balance from your bank account
    [8/7/2014 8:50:58 AM] cash: so there's no reason you shouldn't be able to just send money
    [8/7/2014 8:51:12 AM] Kristian: 1. I'm getting paid on my bank account, not paypal, it's paycheck from work
    2. I can do wire transfer from there OR
    3. you can do a chargeback because it takes 7 days to fund my paypal
    [8/7/2014 8:51:55 AM] cash: reread what i just wrote and let me know what you want to do
    [8/7/2014 8:51:58 AM] Kristian: and I don't understand why am I going to shitlist if you do chargeback instead of me funding the paypal and waiting for days. it's not like im not giving back the money, its that chargeback makes more sense since like you said it will charge my bank acc
    [8/7/2014 8:52:03 AM] cash: im not wasting anymore time on this dumb shit
    [8/7/2014 8:52:09 AM] cash: fuckin $50
    [8/7/2014 8:52:11 AM] cash: for some script
    [8/7/2014 8:52:13 AM] cash: lol
    [8/7/2014 8:52:27 AM] Kristian: [15:50:57] cash: because paypal will auto take the remanining balance from your bank account
    [15:51:07] cash: so there's no reason you shouldn't be able to just send money
    [8/7/2014 8:52:31 AM] cash: it's up to you, i'm not playing games with you anymore
    [8/7/2014 8:52:44 AM] cash: either you can refund it tomorrow or we'll just start some more bullshit
    [8/7/2014 8:52:58 AM] cash: there's no reason you shouldnt be able to do that from waht you've told me
    [8/7/2014 8:53:04 AM] Kristian: I can't send $50 to you from paypal if my paypal has $0, it won't take the ramining amount I already tried that in past, what's the problem with chargeback?
    [8/7/2014 8:53:22 AM] cash: no
    [8/7/2014 8:53:25 AM] cash: the chargeback isn't an auto thing
    [8/7/2014 8:53:30 AM] Kristian: ohh
    [8/7/2014 8:53:34 AM] Kristian: I though it was instant
    [8/7/2014 8:53:36 AM] cash: so i'm going to shitlist you over the fucking headache you've caushed me
    [8/7/2014 8:53:54 AM] cash: not to mention the flat out lying/bullshit
    [8/7/2014 8:54:29 AM] Kristian: what headache? I can't control how money tranfer works, I told you if you really are sure that that's how it works, we will do that tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't, it only does that if I buy something and the item costs more than it's in my paypal
    [8/7/2014 8:54:54 AM] cash: if you have your bank account linked there then there's no reason it wouldn't worl ike that
    [8/7/2014 8:55:03 AM] Kristian: if I try to send cash manually from paypal website it doesn't let me if the balance is low, at least that's how I remember it, if it really works like that then it will work, whats the problem?
    [8/7/2014 8:55:12 AM] Kristian: ok then lets do that tomorrow
    [8/7/2014 8:55:26 AM] cash: https://www.paypal.com/al/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Marketing/general/NewConsumerLink-outside
    [8/7/2014 8:55:45 AM] Kristian: "flat out lying/bullshit", what lying?
    [8/7/2014 8:55:50 AM] cash: i've never kept any money in my paypal
    [8/7/2014 8:56:01 AM] cash: i dont believe you've wrote anything for this script
    [8/7/2014 8:56:18 AM] cash: at this poitn it's w/e anyway
    [8/7/2014 8:56:27 AM] cash: i didnt even care about this prj really
    [8/7/2014 8:56:39 AM] cash: it was more for fun and to see if it was worth it to start a service
    [8/7/2014 8:56:49 AM] cash: i really wanted to see how you did so we could do some other prj's
    [8/7/2014 8:57:01 AM] Kristian: I said countless times what i've done so far
    [8/7/2014 8:57:12 AM] cash: yeah you've said the same thing for like 2 weeks dude
    [8/7/2014 8:57:22 AM] cash: you've just needed some proxies to test it for at least 2 weeks now
    [8/7/2014 8:57:28 AM] cash: i've sent you them a half dozen time
    [8/7/2014 8:57:35 AM] cash: and you've telling me that you've never even tested it
    [8/7/2014 8:57:42 AM] cash: so ok if you're not lying, call it what you want
    [8/7/2014 8:57:55 AM] Kristian: it's not that simple, if you send me proxies and it doesn't work I gotta keep working on it and by the time I work the proxies expire and then I have to code blindly
    [8/7/2014 8:57:56 AM] cash: but either way i dont have time for it, i dont like working with ppl like that
    [8/7/2014 8:58:07 AM] cash: its cool dude
    [8/7/2014 8:58:14 AM] cash: just send me the moeny tomorrow and we'll drop it
    [8/7/2014 8:58:30 AM] Kristian: I never said I never tested it, I said i need to test it while I develop it thats how coding works
    [8/7/2014 8:58:55 AM] Kristian: and you should know that since you have some coding background
    [8/7/2014 9:00:16 AM] cash: ok well maybe i was expecting too much from you or something, but there's no reason this should've taken this long regardless and the people i do work with on a regular basis know their own skillset a lil better i guess then because i'm used to a delay here or there, hell even a week or 2 of debugging if necessary
    [8/7/2014 9:00:49 AM] cash: but like i said, either way, i dont really care at this point
    [8/7/2014 9:00:57 AM] cash: i'm not like going to hold a grudge or anything
    [8/7/2014 9:01:18 AM] cash: but i dont have anytime for that bs
    [8/7/2014 9:02:26 AM] Kristian: like I said I agree that it shouldn't taken that long and I'm gonna refund tomorrow your money and sorry for the wasted time. I'm really sorry that it turned out like that and you think I'm piece of shit now, but I don't really have an good excuse for you. I'm going through a lot of shit now and I got off track and kept forgetting about it.
    [8/7/2014 9:02:41 AM] cash: its cool dude
    [8/7/2014 9:02:45 AM] cash: i dont even think you're a piece of shit honestly
    [8/7/2014 9:03:01 AM] cash: i just dont have time to dick around like this
    [8/7/2014 9:05:05 AM] Kristian: well what I got from our convo we had similar values and it was very stupid of me to drag this for so long, since we would end up probably working on something together. and I'm sorry for the lost time, all I can do is send you what I've done so far and the refund. I just want you to understand that I'm not normally like this, shitty circumstances added up and I took wrong actions to solve them
    [8/7/2014 9:30:01 AM] cash: yeah i know how it is dude i've tried to be as patient as i can but i'm not going to wait any longer
    [8/7/2014 9:34:01 AM] Kristian: I will let you know when I receive the payment. around this time tomorrow. should I send it to the same paypal account?
    [8/7/2014 9:34:12 AM] cash: yes
    [8/7/2014 9:34:49 AM] Kristian: coll will do
    
    
    [8/8/2014 7:08:12 AM] Kristian: hey, is this your paypal? MyPaypalEmail@blah.com
    [8/8/2014 7:08:21 AM] cash: yes
    [8/8/2014 7:08:24 AM] Kristian: cool
    [8/8/2014 7:11:03 AM] Kristian: Your card issuer denied this payment. If you have another debit or credit card linked to your PayPal account, please use that. Or take a moment to link a new debit or credit card. Contact your card issuer if you don't know why you were declined.
    
    wierd, because I got money at my bank. what about if I click 'refund', shouldn't it be instant?
    [8/8/2014 7:14:06 AM] Kristian: in some places it says it's instant, in some that it can take days. I remember doing a refund to somebody and it was instant, should I try it or you want to do wire transfer?
    [8/8/2014 7:21:50 AM] cash: try the refund
    [8/8/2014 7:37:55 AM] Kristian: There isn't enough money in your PayPal balance to issue a full refund. Please add funds to your PayPal balance to issue a full refund or add a bank account and issue a refund by debiting money directly from your bank account.
    
    You cannot refund this payment right now because you do not have enough funds in your Paypal account.
    
    Name fName lName
    Email MyPaypalEmail@blah.com
    Transaction ID XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    Invoice Number 
    Original payment $52.00 USD
    Amount Refunded by Seller $49.97 USD
    Fees Refunded by PayPal $2.03 USD
    Total Refund Amount $52.00 USD Help
    
    wtf I have card attached and when my domains expired, they got auto-renewed via paypal even though my paypal didn't had cash, I don't understand why this is not working
    [8/8/2014 8:12:08 AM] cash: go buy a MoneyPAK card then and use that
    [8/8/2014 8:12:14 AM] cash: it funds it instant, i've had to do it before
    [8/8/2014 8:12:29 AM] cash: you can get the card anywhere you can buy a prepaid visa/mastercard
    [8/8/2014 8:29:58 AM] Kristian: you can't buy stuff like this down here, even prepaid cards are not available, what's wrong with wire?
    [8/8/2014 9:57:18 AM] cash: i dont give out my bank account information
    [8/8/2014 9:58:24 AM] cash: i dont understand why it's so hard to send it back through paypal, i've not seen problems like this before if you have a card attached to the paypal account
    [8/8/2014 9:58:38 AM] cash: maybe go double check your back up funding source
    [8/8/2014 9:58:48 AM] Kristian: but I do have an card attached to the paypal, that's how I received money for years and that's how they charge me for domains
    [8/8/2014 9:58:50 AM] cash: but this shoudn't be fucking brain surgery
    [8/8/2014 9:59:15 AM] Kristian: the error said my bank refused the transaction so it's linked
    [8/8/2014 9:59:32 AM] Kristian: i believe it's something on my banks side, but then again how did they charge me for domains
    [8/8/2014 9:59:45 AM] cash: the error you showed me makes it look like you don't have any kind of card or account attached
    [8/8/2014 9:59:52 AM] Kristian: 1sec
    [8/8/2014 9:59:57 AM] cash: [Friday, August 08, 2014 7:37 AM] Kristian: 
    
    <<< Please add funds to your PayPal balance to issue a full refund or add a bank account and issue a refund by debiting money directly from your bank account.
    [8/8/2014 10:00:36 AM] cash: if you go to make a regular payment of $50 to me
    [8/8/2014 10:00:50 AM] cash: it will give you the option of what funding source to use
    [8/8/2014 10:00:57 AM] cash: it will say either paypal balance
    [8/8/2014 10:00:58 AM] Kristian: I did regular payment and refund and both said the same thing, I will try again and check settings
    [8/8/2014 10:01:03 AM] cash: or card number ending in xxxx
    [8/8/2014 10:01:08 AM] Kristian: that's what it did
    [8/8/2014 10:01:13 AM] cash: or i fyou have bill me later it'll let you do that
    [8/8/2014 10:01:24 AM] cash: then your bank account doesn't have enough money or something
    [8/8/2014 10:01:34 AM] cash: i have shit to do though so let me know when you get it sorted out
    [8/8/2014 10:02:59 AM] Kristian: PayPal Balance:$1.00 USD
    Credit/Debit Card : Visa XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX:€39.73 EUR (Blanked out all numbers in his card for obv reasons)
    PayPal Conversion Rate as of Aug 8, 2014: 1 Euro = 1.28373 U.S. Dollars
    
    This credit card transaction will appear on your bill as "MyName(Edited)".
    [8/8/2014 10:03:10 AM] Kristian: the card is attached and it's saying it's gonna use the card
    [8/8/2014 10:03:42 AM] Kristian: and then on the next step: Your card issuer denied this payment. If you have another debit or credit card linked to your PayPal account, please use that. Or take a moment to link a new debit or credit card. Contact your card issuer if you don't know why you were declined.
    [8/8/2014 10:04:07 AM] Kristian: I only have had one card forever
    [8/8/2014 10:05:15 AM] Kristian: so we got 3 options:
    1. I upload funds to the paypal from my bank, but I never done that, it supposed to take 7 days
    2. Send you a wire transfer
    3. Wait for my paypal payment, should be in couple days, but not guaranteed
    [8/8/2014 10:05:18 AM] cash: yeah you dont have enough money in your bank account
    [8/8/2014 10:05:34 AM] Kristian: I got 1000+ euros in there
    [8/8/2014 10:06:07 AM] Kristian: 4. I can talk to my friend who I sent paypal money before, if we hasn't cashed it, I will ask him to send it to me
    [8/8/2014 10:07:35 AM] Kristian: if choice 4 fails, what option should I choose?
    [8/8/2014 10:09:11 AM] cash: i dont really care dude i have shit to do other than sit here and dick with you all morning about this
    [8/8/2014 10:09:42 AM] cash: i'm not going to sit here and waste more of my time to try and figure out how you an refund my money
    [8/8/2014 10:09:48 AM] cash: i didnt want a fucking reufnd in the 1st place
    [8/8/2014 10:09:56 AM] cash: but its fairly obvious you haven't done shit on the project
    [8/8/2014 10:10:01 AM] cash: so it is what it is
    [8/8/2014 10:10:17 AM] cash: except even this is a fucking dragged out headache
    [8/8/2014 10:11:30 AM] Kristian: it wouldn't if you simply would accept wire, it's not like I'm not giving the cash back, I listed all the options I have at the moment and I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I haven't done shit.
    [8/8/2014 10:22:37 AM] cash: on the script i meant
    [8/8/2014 10:22:48 AM] cash: the actual thing you were supposed to do in the beginning
    [8/8/2014 10:24:13 AM] Kristian: which I did, but didn't finish
    [8/8/2014 10:24:31 AM] cash: i told you to send me what you had done
    [8/8/2014 10:24:44 AM] cash: if you had really done it and almost finished it that would've been plenty enough
    [8/8/2014 10:24:48 AM] cash: i would've just waved the $50
    [8/8/2014 10:24:54 AM] cash: but it would appear you haven't done that
    [8/8/2014 10:25:13 AM] Kristian: you also said yesterday that if I don't give you an refund I will go into shitlist and that's what I'm trying to do now
    [8/8/2014 10:25:44 AM] cash: that's because it's been over a month now
    [8/8/2014 10:26:02 AM] cash: i dont even feel like writing out the shitlist
    [8/8/2014 10:26:11 AM] cash: thats why i gave you the option of just sending what you had done already
    [8/8/2014 10:26:21 AM] Kristian: I understand and that's why I'm giving you back the refund and now you're pissed because I can't do it via paypal
    [8/8/2014 10:26:30 AM] cash: but you're making it a pain in the ass either way
    [8/8/2014 10:26:59 AM] Kristian: from my understanding of yesterdays convo, you said you want refund or I'm going to shitlist, that the file sending deal was off
    [8/8/2014 10:27:01 AM] cash: yeah i dont give out my bank information to anyone
    [8/8/2014 10:27:59 AM] cash: i'm not wasting anymore time on this, if you have something to actually show for what you've done then i'll be more than happy to accept that if it's as you described and just needs tested and tweaked
    [8/8/2014 10:28:23 AM] cash: if not then you need to send the refund through paypal
    [8/8/2014 10:29:12 AM] cash: if they're actually blocking you from doing that then https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/home/addFunds
    [8/8/2014 10:29:21 AM] Kristian: alright, I will send you the file tonight and we'll figure out what to do from there, cool?
    [8/8/2014 10:29:25 AM] cash: you can add money from there
    [8/8/2014 10:29:53 AM] cash: if it takes 3-5 days or w/e then send me a ss of you actually completing the add funds where it says the money will be available in 3-5 days and ill just wait
    [8/8/2014 10:30:04 AM] cash: that's fine
    [8/8/2014 10:30:18 AM] Kristian: what's an 'ss'? the invoice?
    [8/8/2014 10:30:23 AM] cash: screen shot?
    [8/8/2014 10:30:26 AM] Kristian: ohh ok
    
    
    Big surprise, I never heard back from him. I gave him more than enough chances to make this right, and I even went so far as to tell him to send me what he had already done and I'd just call it square. I've seen him trying to sell stuff here before, and he'll talk a great game so I wanted to give other people a heads up to avoid him. Mods, if you need anything else from me, please don't hesitate to PM me and I can provide whatever is needed. Have a great day everyone, and hope ya never have to write one of these.
     
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    RottenYellow has been notified he has 48 hours to respond to this thread.

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    PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.

    Reminder to everyone else:
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    First of all, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. For personal reasons I was unable to finish the project. As you can see in the log, I was attempting to refund the money, but for whatever reason, paypal didn't let me charge my bank account when sending a payment. I offered to do a wire transfer, but akacash refused, as he didn't want to give out his private information. I will do a wire transfer on September 10th once I'm provided with an alternative bank account.

    In addition, thinking I would put my reputation on the line for $50 by calling me a 'scammer' is illogical. Also, claiming that I'm trying to sell stuff, implying that I'm trying to sell some kind of low quality product and diminishing my skills by giving everyone heads out to avoid him is completely irrational. I understand the frustration, but akacash has never seen any of my work, therefor thous claims carry no value. Most of my clients from bhw have hired me on multiple projects or full time work, for longest period of 6 months so far and all my software works and if there's a bug I fix it free of charge.

    As for the 'trying to sell stuff' I haven't yet released a commercial product. All my bots are private. I was developing a skype bot, but it never got released and the project is put on hold, because I found the protocol unstable. I understand the frustration, but no need talk like that. Please provide me with an bank account information and I will send the refund on 10th.
     
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    Oh, so you were just lying as usual when you said you were going to send me what you had done, and load the money into Paypal? Lol, you're clearly lost in one of your delusional dazes. I think the logs speak for themselves and paint a clear picture of what you're about. I don't know how many times I told you to send what you had done (since you had it finished, just needed testing) and we could've avoided this. I guess it's irrational to post a shit list and call someone a scammer when they dick you around for 2 months, then go into hiding for 3 weeks after they're going to "hit you up that night". I don't even need to call you anything really, you took care of it yourself with your lies and nonsense in the logs there. The idea that you would ask for another 10 days, and actually try to defend that is laughable at best.
     
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    @RottenYellow, you could have mailed him a money order by this time if you had just done it. Find a way to get it paid and it should not take 10 days to do it. There are more ways then paypal and wiring it to a bank. Make it happen - it's only $50.
     
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    "go into hiding for 3 weeks" again, you base this information on what? I though you had better things to do considering your bold claims and age.

    If you think paying $30 in fees for $50 payment over WU is reasonable, I can do that, but yet it will again reveal your personal info. I have no other services available in my country.

    I'm not here to argue. I cleary stated a day and how I'm going to return the money and that I have no intensions on keeping the money. There shouldn't be any more discussion after this, it serves no purpose. This thread should have been locked until the 10th on which I make the payment and then removed. I'm still waiting for the bank account information.
     
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    First of all, enough with the tit and tat with the emotional garbage. What was reasonable RottenYellow was for you to complete his project and get it to him. What was reasonable was once that wasn't done in the time period discussed was promptly refunding the money. What was reasonable was responding to someone you owed money to on a regular basis and letting him know you were still there and intended to repay him. But all of that is in the past now and cannot be changed.

    If he does not want to reveal his bank info, that is his choice. I don't see how asking for an alternative account is any more reasonable than asking you to pay for a WU. You've had plenty of time to find a way to put $50 into your paypal to send the money back. Even if you couldn't pay the refund from the paypal, charging from your bank account, you could have added funds to your paypal several times over and sent the refund.

    Stop with the defensiveness and let's start making the refund work - to this paypal. That's how you accepted payment - it's reasonable for you to be able to send him his refund the same way.

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    I acknowledge that I made a mistake.

    There's a difference between productive conversation and an useless one. Obviously I'm going to respond to random claims which were never backed up, just random assumptions. I don't believe it's appropriate to let one claim anything random, because of some $50 and tell me not to get defensive. He has only the right to get his $50 back, not talk random shit. I ackowledged my fault and gave a solution. Any reasonable person would have accepted the payment over a month ago and we wouldn't have this conversation, I'm being fair, so no reason to take sides. And why are sides being picked on the method of returning the payment? Why don't you say to him "he is ready to send you money, just accept it via wire?"You're defending someone who refuses to take payment, talks shit about my software which he never ever touched, talks shit about my skills and you're telling me to stop getting defensive? I'm not getting defensive about returning money, I'm getting defensive about offtopic bullshit that is being supported in an 'professional' conversation. Does that mean I can talk anything I want and diminsh the character of anyone who owns me money? Emotions aside, our only commitment is $50, he knows nothing about me, I know nothing about him, any other discussions should have been deleted because everything else is irrevilent and nothing but waste of time for everyone. And what personal information are we talking about if I already know hes first/last name, country/city/state, facebook, his online shit, I could care less about his 16 digit bank account number.

    You're right, he should receive the cash back the way he sent it, but he's making it hard to to receive the cash. He would have had it a month ago, if he just accepted the payment. I will try to 'exchange' wire money for paypal, so I don't have to wait weeks to load the funds to paypal and get shitlisted again, because "it wasn't on time". I'm still waiting for the bank account information to return the money. So ultimetelly I'm being shitlisted for not being able to send paypal payment, even though I offered wire 100x of times.
     
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    Is there a hard block that prevents you from adding funds from your bank account to your paypal? If your ip that you post from is your home country, I know which country you're in. I don't pretend to know the PP rules from there. I won't post your county, but maybe you should to get suggestions from others on how to get past this issue.

    You're English seems pretty good, but for the record, when I said to get past the tit for tat emotional posting, that was to you both. I'm just looking for the best way to get you both past this issue.

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    So we're just waiting till the 10th for now? I'm not even asking to be a smartass, but I don't see any reason why anything will be different then. I'm definitely not giving him any bank account or routing number information, so I'm not sure where that leaves us.
     
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    I'm ready to make the payment:
    1. Wire
    2. Paypal - never uploaded funds to paypal, as far as I know it takes a week.
    3. WU (I'm not paying for the transfer fees)

    which method?

    "so I'm not sure where that leaves us". You're not sure where it leaves YOU because YOU refuse to accept the payment and play these paranoid junky games. Accept the payment and stay off the junk.
     
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    Ok, you've had more than enough time to fund your pp multiple times. You've got 48 hours for you to refund him or I'll start w a temp ban.

    You're choice.

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    Ok, you've had more than enough time to fund your pp multiple times

    I clearly stated that I will receive a payment over the wire on 10th and I clearly stated what are my options to transfer the money. Paypal takes a week to upload funds to, you can read that online, not 48 hours.

    I also clearly stated that I'm ready to transfer the funds over the payment methods listed in my previous post.

    If you really think I have some kind of "secret agenda" on not returning the money. that I have a way to upload the funds from my bank account to paypal within 48 hours, then feel free to ban me. I think your judgement is biased. I gave 3 options, not 0! you should have told cash to pick one and stop fucking around, that I'm not a scammer and that I want to return the money, but instead you're threatening me with ban. What am I getting banned for? for not being able to use paypal?!?! I'm not gonna waste any more of my time on this. Please do a fair judgement,call another mod or ban me.

     
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    There 's other ways to transfer value. Let me add some from top of my head to see if you can agree on one.


    • Buy him an Amazon Gift card (virtual)
    • Use a reputable exchanger site. You will WU to the exchanger, he will PP to the payee. WU to Paypal is very safe for the exchangers and the rate should be low.
    • Buy dollar currency and snail mail it with registered mail.
    • Buy him a pre-loaded VCC
     
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    I was asked to take a look at this thread and give my honest opinion.

    @akacash: It seems that RottenYellow is offering you several options
    to get paid, yet you are refusing them. Do you want the money or not?
    What option would satisfy you?
     
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    I'm open to any of the options, the only one that I've rejected was giving out my bank account information. I'm not sure why that's unreasonable on my end.
     
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    Why don't you guys work it out? I don't understand what the problem is.
    He has already stated that he is prepared to give you a refund, so find
    an agreeable method of getting the money . . . and please make it FAST.

    With the tidal wave of new members coming in lately, the staff is working
    overtime. So, please settle this ASAP.

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    OldSalt Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    What's the status on this guys? Are you two trying to work this out?

    OS
     
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    Nah, not really. I haven't heard from him, and I'm not going to waste my time chasing him around. However, I will PM you, or whoever I should, a bank account number tomorrow that is in my name that he can send the money to. I forgot this account was still open, and I'm just going to close it after this, so I don't really care about giving that one out.
     
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    akacash, send it to both of us via PM so I know when it's sent. You should probably also send it to him via skype. Also please send me his skype address via PM.

    Thank you,
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