Respect for this Student

I wouldn't trust someone who isn't acting for personal gain, whether that 's cash or satisfaction or oreos. The problems starts when your job performance is NOT linked to your pay-check. A public teacher could care less about the quality of his work because the kids are not his customers. That 's why the teacher only cares to meet his regulation requirements, because they determine his pay-check.

In other words, kids get bad education because there is no incentive for the educators to provide a better one.

I'm a firm believer that teachers should get payment scaled on the results their pupils achieve for this reason.

The system now is very very broken, I had some brilliant teachers and I had some that clearly did not want to be there. The difference between them was amazing.
 
I wouldn't trust someone who isn't acting for personal gain, whether that 's cash or satisfaction or oreos. The problems starts when your job performance is NOT linked to your pay-check. A public teacher could care less about the quality of his work because the kids are not his customers. That 's why the teacher only cares to meet his regulation requirements, because they determine his pay-check.

In other words, kids get bad education because there is no incentive for the educators to provide a better one.

100%! I know several educators who cannot wait to retire because teaching is such a shitty gig these days. Low pay. Zero creativity. Teachers can't discipline kids out of fear - so the little shits get away with murder. They might as well sit them all in front of a computer to teach them lessons.

I remember when I was in school...young...like 4th grade or something....I drew a huge dick on the wall - and my teacher slammed me against the wall and literally dragged me to the office....today that would have lawsuit all over it.

Teachers need to be compensated based on performance of their classroom and given a bit more control.
 
I remember when I was in school...young...like 4th grade or something....I drew a huge dick on the wall - and my teacher slammed me against the wall and literally dragged me to the office....today that would have lawsuit all over it.

Violence is wrong on so many levels. No one has a right to lay hands on the kid. All the teacher needs is the ability to exclude the kid from his services. Kid doesn't want to play by the rules - no problem, the school is not required to accept the kid.
 
Violence is wrong on so many levels. No one has a right to lay hands on the kid. All the teacher needs is the ability to exclude the kid from his services. Kid doesn't want to play by the rules - no problem, the school is not required to accept the kid.

I agree. It just seems like the teachers can't do anything...the kids run the show. I sure as heck wouldn't want to put up with that crap for $50k a year (if that)
 
In the country I grew up in, the teachers would strike your hand with a stick, sometimes your ass. Each teacher would be known for their own unique style of hitting, or the type of stick they used. I remember one would use the chalkboard eraser and strike it on your knuckles. Ah... painful memories. :)
 
I sure as heck wouldn't want to put up with that crap for $50k a year (if that)

Certainly. Low pay attracts low quality. But simply raising they pay isn't enough, because there can be no competition between the educations in the system. A slacker that gets 10x his current pay-check still has an very strong incentive to slack.
 
I'm a firm believer that teachers should get payment scaled on the results their pupils achieve for this reason.

The system now is very very broken, I had some brilliant teachers and I had some that clearly did not want to be there. The difference between them was amazing.

It is simple... raise the paycheck of public educators, thus increasing competition. That being done, students in even public schools will achieve greater lengths with teachers that want to teach. Wait 10 years, and now these kids have jobs. They have learned to be competitive, and will grow the economy in all of the right ways. The thing is, this will sadly never happen because the governments (namely USA) are spending way too much money on random useless shit. Even a few extra billion will have a long-term ROI. Want to know what the sad part is? I am of the age of an average highschooler, and coming up with these ideas. On the other side, politicians cannot seem to get their heads out of each others butts.
 
It is simple... raise the paycheck of public educators, thus increasing competition.

Increasing the paycheck does not increase competition unless:

a) The pay is directly linked with student performance in an unbiased way
b) The educator can be fired for poor performance.

The details matter a lot. To give you an example, where I live, in the recent years, some classes of public employees are required to be judged for their performance. Everybody and their cat gets either 10/10 or 9/10. Amazing how all those geniuses work there, must be their strong altruism and dedication to serve :o
 
It is simple... raise the paycheck of public educators, thus increasing competition. That being done, students in even public schools will achieve greater lengths with teachers that want to teach. Wait 10 years, and now these kids have jobs. They have learned to be competitive, and will grow the economy in all of the right ways. The thing is, this will sadly never happen because the governments (namely USA) are spending way too much money on random useless shit. Even a few extra billion will have a long-term ROI. Want to know what the sad part is? I am of the age of an average highschooler, and coming up with these ideas. On the other side, politicians cannot seem to get their heads out of each others butts.

I think the main issue is that teachers are venturing into this career because of the pay or the security of the position. My great grandmother was a school teacher for over 30 years, she was a teacher because she had a love for kids and was passionate about teaching, not because she was being compensated well. That's what I believe to be the issue today, we need teachers in our schools that are passionate about what they do, not just because they're getting a paycheck. It takes a special person to be a teacher and I think teachers should have random audits where an official watches their teachings to track their performance.

Also, reviewing the teachers students grades would also be a good indicator as to how well their covering their curriculum.

Veyron
 
I agree. It just seems like the teachers can't do anything...the kids run the show. I sure as heck wouldn't want to put up with that crap for $50k a year (if that)
I think you'd be surprised, I know back when I was in highschool, $50k was starting salary for a 1st year teacher, and there were a good amount of teacher making 90-100k.

This is a public school too.
 
Increased pay would be rewarding shitty teachers for not doing anything. The problem is that unless teachers do something extremely out of control (abuse etc), its practically impossible to get fired. There's an undercover video on youtube where teachers at a teacher conference joke around about what they would have to do to get fired, it's sickening how they laugh about it. You want to get more pay? Setup an incentive system. Let your performance determine your paycheck. I would love to see some teachers end up with no paycheck at the end of the year. I would also love to see the good teachers earn more.
 
I think you'd be surprised, I know back when I was in highschool, $50k was starting salary for a 1st year teacher, and there were a good amount of teacher making 90-100k.

This is a public school too.

Must have been in NJ/NY or one very wealthy public school. I have looked up a gym teacher's salary in one of the richer communities near me and he was making over 90k a year, however he has been teaching for about 42 years, but still that's pretty crazy.
 
There are no perfect people, teachers and students alike. I simply believe that passion for your career should come before payment, not be "well I'd teach the kids if I had a better paycheck" as an example. We've begun choosing jobs just to have one & not because we actually care. It's understandable that many don't have their dream job but we're not pathetic, we can overcome and make it happen anyway.
Aside from that; there are children who step up & give wake-up calls, and then there are children who think they know everything because no one's reminding them otherwise.
 
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