If someone is willing to get banned and run away with the money they make here, i dont think telegram is the problem here....honestly i dont know what else could be done here to avoid the same thing from happening again aside from having the purchase conversation over DM so that i dont lose track of conversations and deals that were agreed upon
(Resolved) I have been scammed by richduck
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TG, Skype and some of the other 3rd party messaging systems can be manipulated or deleted.
DMs cannot and we can check DMs in certain situations.
DozeX
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Why not forbid sellers from sharing their Telegram or talking outside bhw? If they do, give them a warning.
Just put a placeholder in conversation and most people will follow it.
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Maybe the rule to not use/display 3rd party communication public could help, regarding BST and all other forums, HAF WTB
Then every conversation must start via DM, where seller could transfer the conversation to TG from there, upon buyer's agreement.
Because people are jumping into TG via links too much I guess. Scammers spam their contact links everywhere around.
Many customers consider everything is legit, like some people do with first result on google search.
Then every conversation must start via DM, where seller could transfer the conversation to TG from there, upon buyer's agreement.
Because people are jumping into TG via links too much I guess. Scammers spam their contact links everywhere around.
Many customers consider everything is legit, like some people do with first result on google search.
The issue isn't TG itself; it's the behavior of scammers. I recently experienced a scam through BHW. The amount involved wasn’t even in the hundreds, but the scammer outright refused to refund and he obvious dont care about being banned. If BHW had a “Shame Wall,” it could save people from being scammed. This wall could display names, emails, or similar details. Additionally, if BHW implemented a system like SEOClerks or Fiverr, where only verified IDs can sell, it would be much harder for scammers to return to the forum. It obvious won't be 100% effective, but could be potential for buyers to trust the seller.
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Your case do not deny my words. My comment is very relevant.
BHW can't put nobody information out there, so that won't happen. (shame wall)
ID verification would cut forum income by probably 75% at best. Won't happen.
Everyone need to understand that a scammer operates with multiple accounts, ideas, and tactics.
We seen disputes where someone got scammed for only $5 and accused went silent, banned.
Later someone laugh with comment he paid Jr Vip and then scammed someone for $5.
In the next 24 hours several people claimed they are also scammed, so scam was 4 digits or more.
Generally speaking, people are idiots. They pay big numbers, and you can't blame BHW for their stupidity.
In almost every single dispute Mods are keep warning people to not deal via TG,
Because this makes the process harder, it gives time to scammers to earn more victims/money.
Some scammers also defend and play a victim role, getting additional time.
Mods do lock their BST, but probably they can't act on theirs WTB HAF replies where they left a bunch of contacts.
Not everyone are checking Dispute section or taking care of who they deal with.
Not every currently active scammer is under Dispute. Things are not simple to solve.
If you cut TG contact, you must deny every single contact form, like an email.
(as per my suggestion, conversation must start via DM, and from there 3rd party contact is available)
(so when someone who wants to get scammed is looking at forums, he can't see contact, must DM first)
This also put a forum in risk of losing income stream.
Even if everything starts via DM, that is also super hard to be constantly monitored, but would serve better for investigation.
Your comment seems to have some inconsistencies. It’s important to consider whether interactions began via DM or Telegram, as scammers can do scam through anything. While ID verification may not guarantee 100% protection, it can significantly reduce the number of people falling victim to known scammers. I believe that implementing ID verification would enhance the marketplace, Adding greater trust among buyers. Since the marketplace is driven by buyers, ensuring their safety will naturally lead to increased demand, which in turn stimulates supply. This is how effective transparency works. Sellers out there are willing to invest significantly if they see a demand, and that demand arises when buyers can trust the platform without fear of being scammed. Many potential buyers currently surf the BHW as guests, which means alternative channels are often necessary for doing the business.
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Bro idk what you talk about. Of course scammers won't leave the forum, by adding any new extra rule or whatever.
They will contact you via DM and scam via anything. No doubt about that. Maybe you just can't understand my message well. It's fine.
Look, we are not on the flat road. This is a forum with 1000 roads. 2.5M unique users monthly.
You are not even capable to see this situation from 2-3 angles, and there are way more angles to consider.
You can't display any scammers data/info, that's very unprofessional, as I told you already.
You can't implement any kind of ID verification. Most of the sellers would simply quit selling here.
Less sellers, like 80% less would decrease BHW income by a lot. You think this all is free?
People want to keep their privacy private. It makes sense? Privacy = private.
Just because you are a legit seller doesn't mean you want to give out your ID that can even be hacked and leaked afterwards. Nobody can guarantee that something uploaded to the web is safe. A country like USA can't back this up.
Nobody cares about demand. ID verification could be a scam. The only way to 100% verify someone's ID is to contact his local city police station and verify. You want BHW to take responsibility of someone's ID?
Who is going to pay for that verifications? It's time consuming.
There would already be an optional ID verification available if it was so simple.
You want BHW to share someone's ID after his scam? Then a scammer could legally sue BHW for sharing his personal data.
He can claim he was abused or his identity was stolen. BHW can't share private data. That's a mess.
I could find a guy on the street, give him $100 and ask him to show his ID, a BHW paper near his face and record it.
So many broke people out there are ready to eat, trust me. You can even gift them a T-shirt to look nice.
Go create a thread in Lounge and ask people if they would sell on BHW with ID verification.
Add a poll with Yes and No
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That does not seem to be the issue with Etsy which does KYC.
"Last reported quarter 2024 Q2 it was 6.60 million, up by 5% year-over-year from 6.30 million."
https://www.marketplacepulse.com/st...d quarter 2024 Q2,over-year from 6.30 million.
The question is: Are you the seller or do you know the seller?
I used to be a seller on BHW, and if ID verification is implemented, I would definitely vote "yes" in the poll. I know several sellers on BHW who would also support ID verification. Similarly, on platforms like Fiverr, many people want to become sellers because There's buyers and it increases security for buyers. As I mentioned before, if there are buyers, there will be sellers. Many individuals would welcome ID verification if it there's potential buyers that can trust the marketplace. While ID verification might not eliminate all issues, it could significantly improve the marketplace.
Regarding the sharing of personal information, I agree that users could potentially sue BHW.
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The main problem is that lots of products or services shouldn't be linked to one's personal ID
Like the sale of accounts, proxies and many other things that is a legal trouble for sellers
But that's just my humble opinion
If legal issues happy, they can occur regardless—similar to Festinger's service. BHW currently doesn't have an ID verification, yet he's still dealing with legal problems, another example is "forwarders" who used to sell fake documents. If something's meant to happen, it will.
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If you've been scammed by RichDuck, report the incident immediately to your bank or payment provider and secure your accounts. Also, file a report with your local authorities and online fraud reporting agencies to maximize your chances of recovering any losses
Payments are done via crypto - theres no where to report.
If payments are on crypto + entire conversation is on TG = you cant do anything at all - you could try the dispute function here but theres no hope of getting your money back at all
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that's why privacy is PARAMOUNT!
if you are selling blackhat services/goods/items, privacy is paramount
you can't be selling stuff that will get you in trouble and have ID verification
It's like asking your weed dealer for ID to make sure he is who he says he is...
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Technically, you're not supposed to sell KYC'ed or verified accounts on BHW.
This is related to Etsy being Etsy and enforcing it since day 1. It's a platform where the majority of users are SBOs and not Bhatters. So it makes sense that they have no issues with it as it's part of their business model.
Here in BHW almost everyone is being stealthy, everyone is gaming the system. The previous user said it will make BHW loose 75% of it's income, I would think it will be more.
For me, the easiest way to avoid being scammed is commun sense.
- never use crypto
- never use tg
- never buy anything related to accounts
You should be fine.
DozeX
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"- never use crypto
- never use tg
- never buy anything related to accounts"
Bro, New users doesn't know that if they are new on this platform. New users will use the payment method the seller prefers. The only thing BHW can do is prohibit sellers from sharing Telegram or talking outside this platform. By doing this, all conversations are saved and can’t be deleted, unlike on Telegram. This will decrease the number of people getting scammed by sellers. Also, add a placeholder in conversations so new users know that sharing Telegram or talking outside BHW is against the TOS and can lead to a suspended account. If a seller asks to talk on Telegram or other applications, the buyer can instantly report the seller, and moderators can issue a warning.
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yeah but most goods/services sold here break other sites TOS.
Legally, no product/service that breaks another sites' TOS should be allowed to be sold. That includes buying links to game google serps or buying bulk accounts of social media platforms, etc etc...
if i were to ask fb, google, etc if it was ok to sell/buy bulk accounts of their platforms, im 100% sure they would say no
take a look at yuzu (emulator), festinger (themes seller), and many other examples. THe main affected company turned their eye on them and the seller got in trouble... Imagine if everyone was KYC verified here... SO much liability!
if kyc is implemented site-wide, i would say 95%-99% of sellers would disappear and only whitehat things would stay, like own bots or stuff that don't break other sites' TOS and suddenly, this site would have to be renamed WHITEHATworld as there is no place for BLACKHAT activities when everyone needs to be KYC verified
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