Question about pbn and web 2.0

Unrealworld · Jan 24, 2018

Hey guys I want to know if pbn worth it now days, I know it's risky method but what if I have only 10% of pbn? Also does web 2.0 could help my website to rank better? Or I will get penalty from the Google?

Nargil · Jan 24, 2018

Rank something competitive without guest posts, PBNs or editorial links and I will send you $500 over.

Web 2.0s provide some firepower, but do not expect miracles. And no, you won't get penalized for those.

With PBNs it's all about how you build them, not how many links from PBNs you use. And we are talking about your own private network, not marketplace one. Those are obviously riskier.

MatthewGraham · Jan 24, 2018

Unrealworld said:
[...] I know it's risky method [...]

When done correctly, there is minimal risk.

Good Guest Posts = Articles that are on websites that look good and have backlinks because the websites are actually used for non-SEO things

Good PBNs = Articles that are on websites that look good and have backlinks because some SEO consultant micromanaged a bunch of bullshit

When done to a high standard, they're basically the same, at least from an SEO perspective. The difference has more to do with the process used to build them rather than how they fit into your SEO strategy.

Of course, emphasis on the when done correctly.

Linkzo · Jan 24, 2018

Obviously if you have chosen a high competitive niche then its risky factor to rank better in a competitive world,try to focus on some on-page techniques and build quality links,choose relevant blogs with unique content and high metrics blogs for posting..

habib755 · Jan 24, 2018

Better dont use pbn

Unrealworld · Jan 24, 2018

Nargil said:
Rank something competitive without guest posts, PBNs or editorial links and I will send you $500 over.

Web 2.0s provide some firepower, but do not expect miracles. And no, you won't get penalized for those.

With PBNs it's all about how you build them, not how many links from PBNs you use. And we are talking about your own private network, not marketplace one. Those are obviously riskier.

MatthewGraham said:
When done correctly, there is minimal risk.

Good Guest Posts = Articles that are on websites that look good and have backlinks because the websites are actually used for non-SEO things

Good PBNs = Articles that are on websites that look good and have backlinks because some SEO consultant micromanaged a bunch of bullshit

When done to a high standard, they're basically the same, at least from an SEO perspective. The difference has more to do with the process used to build them rather than how they fit into your SEO strategy.

Of course, emphasis on the when done correctly.

Linkzo said:
Obviously if you have chosen a high competitive niche then its risky factor to rank better in a competitive world,try to focus on some on-page techniques and build quality links,choose relevant blogs with unique content and high metrics blogs for posting..

habib755 said:
Better dont use pbn

I have chosen competitive niche but im using long tail keywords with PA=40 and less using moz bar. Do you think i can rank first page without pbn?

Mainak Halder · Jan 24, 2018

Unrealworld said:
I have chosen competitive niche but im using long tail keywords with PA=40 and less using moz bar. Do you think i can rank first page without pbn?

PA=40 or KC=40? If it is that competitive, it is not possible to rank without pbn.

MatthewGraham · Jan 24, 2018

Unrealworld said:
with PA=40 and less using moz bar.

Not 100% sure what this means -- the results that are showing up in the top ten SERP results all have a Page Authority (PA) that is less than 40?

If this is about Page Authority, the answer is the same as always, which is that Page Authority is trash -- only measures link volume, not link quality. You can get PA 40 with a spam blast and not even index. In terms of metrics, Majestic's Trust Flow (TF) and Citation Flow (CF) are better (although also not perfect).

Unrealworld said:
Do you think i can rank first page without pbn?

See:

Nargil said:
Rank something competitive without guest posts, PBNs or editorial links and I will send you $500 over.

You probably could rank without PBNs if you used guest posts or managed to get your hands on some real editorial links. They are effectively the same thing.

MisterF · Jan 24, 2018

Unrealworld said:
I have chosen competitive niche but im using long tail keywords with PA=40 and less using moz bar. Do you think i can rank first page without pbn?

If you're competing against actual page with PA40, then you'll struggle.
Keep in mind too what some sellers are offering as guest posts are actually nothing more than their own crappy PBNs, just charging a premium.

jamie3000 · Jan 24, 2018

As others have said the majority of "guest posts" offered are normally just public blog networks. Approach a few authorities in your niche to get real quest posts.

MatthewGraham · Jan 24, 2018

MisterF said:
If you're competing against actual page with PA40, then you'll struggle.

Also, despite the fact that I just said that PA is a trash metric, @MisterF is almost certainly right here -- there are a lot of problems with PA, but they even out over a decently sized data set. If all ten of the results in the top ten have PA 40+, it's almost definitely going to be somewhat challenging, especially if new to SEO.

Droger99 · Jan 24, 2018

PBN is okay, but try to make it as natural as possible..

Array Experts · Jan 24, 2018

Unrealworld said:
Hey guys I want to know if pbn worth it now days, I know it's risky method but what if I have only 10% of pbn? Also does web 2.0 could help my website to rank better? Or I will get penalty from the Google?

PBN & Web 2.0 works fine and it's true pbn is too risky if don't know how play with them. to reduce risk of penalty you can use diverse link ptatforms & anchore text diversity make your link profile as much as you can it's help to reduce risk of penalty

Unrealworld said:
I have chosen competitive niche but im using long tail keywords with PA=40 and less using moz bar. Do you think i can rank first page without pbn?

question is not clear as other already said moz metrics is sucks use majestic cf/tf & ahrefs to check manualy link profile to get good idea about competition

Unrealworld · Jan 24, 2018

Mainak Halder said:
PA=40 or KC=40? If it is that competitive, it is not possible to rank without pbn.

MatthewGraham said:
Not 100% sure what this means -- the results that are showing up in the top ten SERP results all have a Page Authority (PA) that is less than 40?

If this is about Page Authority, the answer is the same as always, which is that Page Authority is trash -- only measures link volume, not link quality. You can get PA 40 with a spam blast and not even index. In terms of metrics, Majestic's Trust Flow (TF) and Citation Flow (CF) are better (although also not perfect).

See:

You probably could rank without PBNs if you used guest posts or managed to get your hands on some real editorial links. They are effectively the same thing.

MisterF said:
If you're competing against actual page with PA40, then you'll struggle.
Keep in mind too what some sellers are offering as guest posts are actually nothing more than their own crappy PBNs, just charging a premium.

jamie3000 said:
As others have said the majority of "guest posts" offered are normally just public blog networks. Approach a few authorities in your niche to get real quest posts.

Droger99 said:
PBN is okay, but try to make it as natural as possible..

Array Experts said:
PBN & Web 2.0 works fine and it's true pbn is too risky if don't know how play with them. to reduce risk of penalty you can use diverse link ptatforms & anchore text diversity make your link profile as much as you can it's help to reduce risk of penalty

question is not clear as other already said moz metrics is sucks use majestic cf/tf & ahrefs to check manualy link profile to get good idea about competition

Not all of the first 10 has 40 score but some of them 50 and 30, I'm also using kwfinder to find keywords with less than 40 difficulty, mostly 35-30. Then I'm buying high quality article of 1000-1500 words on this keyword and the link building im using is social media and bookmarks and some times commenting on relevant posts. And now mostly of the articles are on the 2-3 page of google so I think I can reach the first page of google. But I don't want to get penalty from the google. Maybe I will avoid pbn and will try web 2.0. And some guest posts. Does directories maybe can help me a little bit or another method of link building that is free or at least cheap?

Array Experts · Jan 24, 2018

Unrealworld said:
another method of link building that is free or at least cheap?

Have A Look

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/m...18-on-my-business-site.1003816/#post-10757453

internetvive · Jan 25, 2018

I think if you build your own PBN networks taking care of all parametric with definitely work. If you use network PBNs these are not trustworthy because they put any shady content with irrelevant and spammy links to their network for money although you can get good PBN links as well from the marketplace.

RankBoss · Jan 25, 2018

When you do something that is off the guidelines that is sure a risk but if you let it handle by the professionals you might achieve what you expect. Don't overdo the process, just combine paid and natural links. Use good and relevant content on your money site.

bekemew · Jan 25, 2018

Unrealworld said:
Hey guys I want to know if pbn worth it now days, I know it's risky method but what if I have only 10% of pbn? Also does web 2.0 could help my website to rank better? Or I will get penalty from the Google?

- Are Private Blog Networks (PBNs) Worth It In 2018?
Your answer here:

Code:

https://www.gotchseo.com/are-pbns-worth-it/

- Does web 2.0 could help my website to rank better?
Web 2.0 allows (online) interaction. That is why Web 2.0 is worth my time!

Follow these steps when creating a web 2.0

1. Keep the username very much similar to your requirement. Lets say if you are going to write about finance alone, keep your web2.0 relevant to same like My Weblog or something similar.
2. Create categories, headings, about me etc sections. Since you have full control on each piece of stuff on the blog, make the most of it. Make it like a website.
3. Each content you create, keep it readable for the end user. Properly give interlinks, headings etc
4. Add images on each piece of content. Images will help in reaching a larger target audience and make the users stick to your blog for long.

This is an overview of my approach: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/link-building-strategies-for-2017.914525/

don chino · Jan 25, 2018

I use Web 2.0 to diversify backlink profile with contextual links, but it won't have much affect on rankings if you don't build links to them. For real link juice and authority I use PBNs built on expired domains that already have good backlink profiles so I don't need to waste time for building (and indexing!) backlinks. If the PBNs are of good quality and not spammy, then you don't need to worry about the % you have. It's always good to diversify backlinks with other types of links and also make sure you use different anchor texts, not just your main keywords, but LSI, naked urls, generics.

Unrealworld · Jan 26, 2018

Any recommendation for trust pbn seller?

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