Prevent Sandbox while being Black-Hat

Hi guys,

I wanted to start a discussion on how to prevent being sandboxed by Google (ie-your website taken off the search engine/penalized) while performing BH techniques.

How risky are these strategies for example? (some taken from fiverr gigs)
-create 10 .edu backlinks
-5250 verified backlinks using xrumer
-create a 3000backlink pyramid
-submit your site to 50 social bookmarking sites
-Blast your secondary site (ie-wordpress site with your main domain link with product reviews from your site) with tons of backlinks using xrumer

Also, do factors such as: age of domain, frequency of backlinks (80/day vs 8000/day), etc matter? How much backlinks per day is safe? If most of those backlinks are IRRELEVANT to your site, is that bad? If those backlinks come from sites where a lot of BH'ers take advantage of do-follow by spamming all over the site, will your site get penalized?

Finally very important. Is there a good way to get around being sandboxed? For example using BH on sites you create with links/contents to your site?

Thanks a lot guys, I hope a lot of people will benefit from our further discussions.

Xrumer is the only one I've ever had hurt my sites.

Would never go near it again.

Forum profiles are just too easy to detect.

Drip them, use Web 2.0 as layers, use aged domain as money site.

clade said:

Drip them, use Web 2.0 as layers, use aged domain as money site.

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Exactly what I do, and never had a problem.

I use Scrapebox and blast about 3000 Backlinks a day.
Is it safe?

If your site has genuinely good content and is over 6 months,from my experience you can be quite brutal at throwing backlinks.I use wordpress sites and add posts but they only show if you know the url but they still get indexed.So the site can a business site but not covered in posts like a blog.I do this because if you blast only to the main domain e.g yousite.com with everything you're going to eventually get screwed hard.
By adding "invisible" posts and pages to link to your site becomes an authority quicker ,so in turn,can take a heavy dose of links.
Never ping,let them the links be found,this is in itself a drip feed of links,only article links work almost instantly.
Remember if google suddenly finds 3k of links within 2-3 days it's expecting that constant rate,if you let up it can see big drops.By drip feeding by not pinging you can leave the site alone for weeks because you've built up a cushion of links to be found for a while.
Domain age is important,a young site,under 6 months,in a semi to high competition niche getting a large number of links is not good.In low comp niches it's not so much of an issue.
There is no guarantee of not getting sandboxed but having very high quality content is a must,do not over optimize your keyword on your site.When your site starts getting alot of links,google gets a bigger interest in your site.If the content is poor all those links are doing is telling google your site is crap in a big way and results will be equally poor.