Penguin 3.0, a change in legit strategy...

antonjones said:

It's not an Algo Update mate. It's an Algo Refresh.

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coloradowebpro said:

Hello everyone I'm starting a new campaign for a client and have been jolted in this black hat game like never before with this new algo update. I am wondering if the following strategy is still viable for a grey hat legitimate link building solution (for reference, this is a business client):

- Hand Written Tier 1's (Wordpress, Weebly, Wiki's, Blogger, etc)
- Obsessive Properly Spun Tier 2's (over 90% unique value)
- Tier 3's auto spun from Tier 2's

Using GSA SER for Tier 2's and 3's, is anyone see future penalties with this method?

Also I have not purchased GSA SER... yet. So if anyone has input on using SER or UD or any other tool like it from here on out please let me know, now that we have seen the aftermath of the Ebola/Penguin 3.0 rollout.

Thanks in Advance.

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SEO Power said:

That's not a good strategy to be using on the website of a client because, sooner or later, Google will come down on it. Does the client know you are planning to use grey hat techniques on his site? If yes, continue with your plan. Otherwise, employ better strategies that aren't so manipulative.

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cloakndagger2 said:

Personally I don't think these updates are anywhere near as complicated as people make out. Google will sign up to a host of services, they get free GSA lists with the disavow tool, and very likely a lot of innocent sites as people panic if they didn't place their link on the site itself. It's a blanket approach which will have the desired effect, a random hit with some seemingly clean sites losing out, collateral damage if you like. Think about it if they zero value all the links they get with the disavow tool of course those web 2's you hammered with GSA will lose effect. Someone in the original penguin 3 summed it up well, luck!

With a fresh, yet unused GSA list you will likely see nice gains, until the next update, Neg seo will cause GSA lists to eventually be disavowed by the neg seo victim. I actually saw a site today #1 for a pretty competitive local term, it had been neg seo'd with porn anchor, it is number 1 AFTER this update. I wish I had checked this niche before the update to see if it was #1 or if the links were devalued so not affecting the site in an adverse way. Anyway the comments above as sorta true asking such a question shows your lack of skill in seo, this is the problem with seo and how it gets a bad name, anyone thinks they can do seo. Real seo costs money, sometimes a ton of it, sure GSA-SER works, the problem is now google has a free method of getting the links, the disavow tool, well done google, that was a great idea, I mean it, let people give you the low quality links. I have no issues with google or Matt Cutts, they do their job, I get on with doing mine, to me it is a game, you win you lose but you carry on. The best advice I can give is be different, do web 2's work, yes, so thin content web 2's work, no (most of the time). Any "fake" site, see this as a network or web 2 has to BE real, if you can get someone to visit the site and they believe it is a genuine site, job done, that takes effort and maintenance, the lazy seo'er starts stumbling at this point.

I agree with testing but I'm pretty confident if you harvested a brand new clean GSA list, you'll see good results, again probably until the next update, the next step is a private network, not a service, but your own, things start costing money in this phase, done right, it's one of the most powerful methods out there, again done right needs effort. I laugh daily when I research sites and see wordpress sites crammed with articles from loans to milkshakes, trust me they are not real networks more like shining bright light in the pitch black for google.
Check out real business forums, they disavow anything they didn't do themselves, they have gotten a real link, they didn't put it there it must be bad (you get the irony here right!) this is a big part of why seemingly innocent sites get hit as well. Some even refuse to remove links wondering why on earth anyone would want a link removed from their site.
NEVER use GSA directory links, many sites are cloned as is and placed on new domains (in volume, the people doing this are 100% clueless in seo and lazy sods to boot, as well as clearly lacking any intelligence to think identical sites on different domains hold any value whatsoever), so as well as more low quality links they are duplicate penalty links, game over links, the more experienced will avoid these, the newbie doesn't know the difference.

Spinning, if done, should at least be from an original article and refreshed with more original articles on a frequent basis. You should approach tier 1,2 and 3 randomly not the usual web 2, spam method. Anyway there is enough there for you to digest.

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JustUs said:

I then began taking the spam comments off of another blog under my control that is set up in such a way that most Proxy or other IP's commonly used for spam were dumped into a trash file and anything that contained a url was sent to the spam directory if it passed the prior test and one before that. Each time I reached a 100 spam comments I would drop the keywords and the url into Gscraper. I would then scrape their backlinks and post to those links with GScraper. This quickly put my links onto the first page - generally around positions 3 - 7.

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Gyuman82 said:

Just because your websites are doing fine doesn't mean the OP will have the same experience.

Almost everybody and their mother on this forum uses some sort of variation of the OPs strategy (tiered link building) and look how many people are crying after the update.

There is also a "skill" disparity as well understandably, and I'm willing to guess you are on the "smarter" end of the spectrum from your postings.

Considering OP doesn't even own GSA yet, I'm going to guess he is on the other end.

He asked if this is a "long term" strategy, and considering the amount of people that got hit this update using tiered-link building (and the last one as well), I cannot say in good conscious this will provide safe long term results.

Sure short-term interim gains, but long term? Not so much.

But yes I agree, testing is necessary and that is what the OP needs to be doing.

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antonjones said:

It's not an Algo Update mate. It's an Algo Refresh.

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SinfulPromotions said:

SEO power, how would you change his plan of action to make it suitable for clients?

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coloradowebpro said:

So the client does know about the grey hat techniques, but I would definitely like to use a strategy that would have greater potential in not getting hit with future updates. That being said would it be useless to use GSA in any form right now with multi Tier linkbuilding?

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